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Keep up the faith sheep.

Quote:Mitchell: "You call for some very tough actions here. You talk about escalating our war against them, and you say in your book that killing in large numbers is not enough to defeat our Muslim foes. This killing must be a Sherman-like razing of infrastructure. You talk about civilian deaths. You talk about landmines. Is that really what we have come to in this war on terror?"

Anonymous: "I think we've come to the place where the military is about our only option. We have not really discussed the idea of why we're at war with what I think is an increasing number of Muslims. Which — it's very hard in this country to debate policy regarding Israel or to debate actions or policies that might result in more expensive energy. I don't think it's something that we wanted to do, but I think it's where we've arrived. We've arrived at the point where the only option is military. And quite frankly, in Iraq and in Afghanistan we've applied that military force with a certain daintiness that has not served our interests well.

This guy is advocating a much more harsh and brutal type of war. That's exactly the opposite of what every leading democrat says.

In fact, it's more in line w/ what Rumsfeld would probably want, and this administration would be doing if it didn't compromise w/ the democrats and have to deal w/ media that focus on every civilian casulty.

How can this truly fit as a criticism of Bush, except that he (like his father) is willing to compromise w/ other points of view?

And, what presidential candidate would adopt this model? Certainly not Kerry or Nader.

Again,

You blunt ones miss the point entirely. We LIED our way into the war. We should have never invaded Iraq the way we did. This was a MONUMENTAL ERROR. It has been a a gift Al-Quaedea never thought they would get. What in the H is a matter with you guys. He is a FAILURE to the nth degree. We are now in greater danger then we were before we entered this Haliburton fiasco.

Quote:Anonymous: "I'm not sure if the people thought we were exaggerating so much as they just didn't take it very seriously at all. They thought that bin Laden was just one more terrorist on a list of terrorists. I really believe Mr. Tenet was the one person who did take it seriously almost from the start, but the rest of the senior leadership in much of the intelligence community, I think, did not take it seriously.

"But I think the most important failure was in the, in the years between 1996 and 2001, the failure to correct obvious dysfunctions within the intelligence community was what led in large part to no one being able to claim that the intelligence community did the best it could before 9/11.

1996-2001. The majority of that timespan was not during W's term. Once again, you're choosing to fault an individual expressly to meet your taste, not at all in line with what the article is stating.

Dogger Wrote:Again,

You blunt ones miss the point entirely. We LIED our way into the war. We should have never invaded Iraq the way we did. This was a MONUMENTAL ERROR. It has been a a gift Al-Quaedea never thought they would get. What in the H is a matter with you guys. He is a FAILURE to the nth degree. We are now in greater danger then we were before we entered this Haliburton fiasco.

Let me put it this way!

If "W" was at "THE BUTTON" and said that if he won the election, he would nuke half of the US, I WOULD NOT vote for Kerry. I don't always vote Republican, but I never vote democrat in National Elections.

I also wish we would have been a little more forceful in the wars that we have engaged in. If so, we may not be dealing with so many of these fly by night terrorists. If you have noticed though, In Iraq the majority of the attacks are now against Iraqis that are trying to get their country going in the right direction.

Iraq distractyed us from the war on terrorism


"The major problem with the Iraq war is that it distracted us from the war against terrorism. But more importantly, it allowed—it made us invade, or it caused us to invade a country that's the second holiest place in Islam. It's not really the same as the Russians invading Afghanistan in 1979. Afghanistan is an Islamic country, but it was far from the mainstream of world Islam.

What don't you undersatnd about that. Iraq was a GIFT to Osama.

Quote:If "W" was at "THE BUTTON" and said that if he won the election, he would nuke half of the US, I WOULD NOT vote for Kerry. I don't always vote Republican, but I never vote democrat in National Elections.

That may be the sorriest thing I have ever read. You are a frightening individual and may God have mercy on your soul.

What about this statement don't you get?

Quote:"Part of it, I think, is again, as I wrote in the book, is the unwillingness of senior bureaucrats in the intelligence community to take the full truth, an unvarnished truth to the president, whether it's Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton.  I'm not sure that it's proper to blame al-Qaida's existence, continued existence or attacks on any elected official.  I think the, the bureaucracy at the senior levels in the intelligence community is selective in what they take to the president. I think they are loath to describe the dire problem posed by bin Laden for a number of reasons. One of them is basically political correctness. It's not career-enhancing to try to engage in a, in a debate about religion and the role it plays in international affairs. And so we, we, we address bin Laden from the perspective of law enforcement, picking them off one at a time, arresting them, killing them. And I think that's a, the, the, the result of no one frankly discussing the size of the problem or the motivation behind the problem."

We were not lied to about Iraq, only people like you who like to twist what was said think so. Bush never claimed Iraq was in on 9/11, they said they had ties to Iraq, and they did.

This guy says a lot of things I agree with, however it is only his opinion that Iraq has taken our focus off of the War on Terror. I'm sure you can find just as many people in the CIA that disagree with this as agree with it.

9/11 changed the scope and the manner of how national defense must work. Only you spineless liberals prefer to wait until people are dead before you take care of a problem.

What threat was Iraq to Americans...... and how are we safer now???????????

You may CHOOSE to ignore the facts, but here they are.

We are now in greater danger of a terrorist threat because we have alienated allies who could help us and have emboldened the terrorists.

Iraq was for oil. No more no less. Dicky Cheney got his way and were all gonna PAY!

Dogger Wrote:Iraq was for oil. No more no less. Dicky Cheney got his way and were all gonna PAY!

Look out, here come the black helicopters!!! :lolup:

Here are a few ways you can look at the war in Iraq:

1) It took away our focus from Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (which I agree with)
2) It took Al-Qaeda's primary focus away from attacking on US soil and diverting it to attack the US in Iraq

In a small way, the war in Iraq has helped us with the war on terror. Terrorists from other countries are making beelines for Iraq to fight the US and US allies. This brings them out of their caves and other hiding areas where it is easier for us to target and destroy them.

***I am in no way condoning the war in Iraq or saying the afore mentioned things are legit reasons to go into Iraq or the sole reason why we did it.***

Dogger Wrote:

Quote:If "W" was at "THE BUTTON" and said that if he won the election, he would nuke half of the US, I WOULD NOT vote for Kerry. I don't always vote Republican, but I never vote democrat in National Elections.

That may be the sorriest thing I have ever read. You are a frightening individual and may God have mercy on your soul.

All I said is that I would not vote for Kerry.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:We were not lied to about Iraq, only people like you who like to twist what was said think so. Bush never claimed Iraq was in on 9/11, they said they had ties to Iraq, and they did.

"Iraq has sent bomb-making and document-forging experts to work with al Qaeda, Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."

-- George Bush, Feb. 6, 2003.


"If we're successful in Iraq, we will have struck a blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

-- Dick Cheney, Sept. 14, 2003.

<a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001961706_dionne22.html' target='_blank'>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opin...6_dionne22.html</a>

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:We were not lied to about Iraq, only people like you who like to twist what was said think so.&nbsp; Bush never claimed Iraq was in on 9/11, they said they had ties to Iraq, and they did.&nbsp;

"Iraq has sent bomb-making and document-forging experts to work with al Qaeda, Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training."

-- George Bush, Feb. 6, 2003.


"If we're successful in Iraq, we will have struck a blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

-- Dick Cheney, Sept. 14, 2003.

<a href='http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001961706_dionne22.html' target='_blank'>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opin...6_dionne22.html</a>

Maybe I'm an idiot, but they sure seem to be fighting pretty hard to get us out of Iraq for one reason or another.

RebelKev Wrote:Maybe I'm an idiot, but they sure seem to be fighting pretty hard to get us out of Iraq for one reason or another.

"They?"

Schadenfreude Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Maybe I'm an idiot, but they sure seem to be fighting pretty hard to get us out of Iraq for one reason or another.

"They?"

Terrorists Schad. I don't look at Al Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. I see terrorists and their common goal.....to kill, enslave, or maim the infidels. There are so many damn terrorist organizations that I don't even try to keep up with them. Yes, they do work together. Saddam had a terrorist training camp at Salman Pak.

I agree with Ted Kennedy and Michael Moore. We are a very deceitful and sneaky group of infidels. We need to learn to understand those who are angry with us or "terrorists" as you guys like to call them. If voting for Kerry means that we will never again enter into another war and hopefully we apologize to those who we have offended, then count me in. At some point we are going to have to wake up and realize that we are very arrogant and that is what makes people hate us. So, the answer is: we apologize, become more humble, and welcome these people into our country and neighborhoods. We ban all defense mechanisms and get rid of the Patriot Act. Only then can we be a successful society.

Touchdown Rrrrrooockets! Wrote:I agree with Schad, Dogger, Ted Kennedy, and Michael Moore. We are a very deceitful and sneaky group of infidels. We need to learn to understand those who are angry with us or "terrorists" as you guys like to call them. If voting for Kerry means that we will never again enter into another war and hopefully we apologize to those who we have offended, then count me in. At some point we are going to have to wake up and realize that we are very arrogant and that is what makes people hate us. So, the answer is: we apologize, become more humble, and welcome these people into our country and neighborhoods. We ban all defense mechanisms and get rid of the Patriot Act. Only then can we be a successful society.

rriiiiiigggghhhhh.......tttttt.

...and I did detect the sarcasm.

Yeah, I was just trying to see how it felt to be irrational for a little bit, but I feel all slimy now. Actually, I wish that we would board Ted Kennedy & Michael Moore's fat ***es on a jet and drop them off in Iraq so that they could meet with Al Zarqawi and possibly come to an understanding that may save this country.

:eek: