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Quote:Clinton is as popular with Americans today as he was when he left office three years ago, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. More than six in 10 Americans -- 62 percent -- said they approved of the way Clinton handled his job as president -- 15 points higher than his successor's current approval rating and roughly equal to Clinton's standing when he left office in January of 2001.

HuskieDan Wrote:

Quote:Clinton is as popular with Americans today as he was when he left office three years ago, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. More than six in 10 Americans -- 62 percent -- said they approved of the way Clinton handled his job as president -- 15 points higher than his successor's current approval rating and roughly equal to Clinton's standing when he left office in January of 2001.

Unfortunately for him, and thankfully for all of us, he can't run again.

Quote:62 percent -- said they approved of the way Clinton handled his job as president

I guess most of America believes adultery is a good thing

How can anyone believe this man was a good president? The only thing he had going for him was a pretty good economy...The only reason we don't have a stronger economy now is because of a terrorist attack...Something Clinton never had to deal with...Rather than caring for the American people like he should he cared about himself...He wanted all the "play" he could get...Obviously Hillary wasn't giving it to him

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:The only reason we don't have a stronger economy now is because of a terrorist attack...Something Clinton never had to deal with.

No, Clinton chose not to deal with the terrorrist prolem. After all, he let one of the world's most notorious terror leaders stay at the White House.

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:

Quote:62 percent -- said they approved of the way Clinton handled his job as president

I guess most of America believes adultery is a good thing

I think a more precise interpretation would be that most of America doesn't think the guy they elected should be thrown out of office because of it.

Times were good under Clinton. Most Americans miss the '90s.

Although outwardly more pious in appearance, I am not at all certain GWB is so clearly morally superior to Clinton. There are a lot of nagging questions that will never be clearly answered about either man's life.

But this much is clear: Clinton was certainly more interested in the duties involved in serving as president. He had weaknesses in his personal character, but he loved being president. GWB likes the idea of being president, but doesn't much care for the job. He likes the power involved in the position, and the fact that his presence keeps the Democrats out of the White House. This difference between the two says a lot about the overall impact of their administrations.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Most Americans miss the '90s.

Maybe because we wern't fighting terrorists at that time?

He committed adultery. It's a crime. He should have been prosecuted and almost surely convicted... meaning a fine and/or jailtime. He has to play by the rules like the rest of us.

Socko Wiethe Wrote:GWB likes the idea of being president, but doesn't much care for the job. He likes the power involved in the position, and the fact that his presence keeps the Democrats out of the White House. This difference between the two says a lot about the overall impact of their administrations.

WOW. :eek:

Can you enlighten us on how you got such deep personal insight into Bush's mind and motives? Does he call you regularly for long chats? Do you know him personally? I'm genuinely curious since you seem to know SOOOOOOO much about his motives.

I hope you're noting the sarcasm, I'm trying to lay it on as thick as possible. :rolleyes:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:He committed adultery. It's a crime. He should have been prosecuted and almost surely convicted... meaning a fine and/or jailtime. He has to play by the rules like the rest of us.

You believe people should be thrown in jail for adultery?

Seriously?

And, if that had been done to Bill Clinton, how would that be making him play by the rules like the rest of us?

Who in America gets thrown in jail for adultery?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:He committed adultery.&nbsp; It's a crime.&nbsp; He should have been prosecuted and almost surely convicted... meaning a fine and/or jailtime.&nbsp; He has to play by the rules like the rest of us.

Dang Swagger, are you saying that everyone who has had an affair should be thrown in jail or just democrat presidents?

Many studies show that almost 1/4 of the married men in the U.S. have had an affair............. that doesn't make it right, but when was the last time you heard of someone arrested for and convicted of adultery?

I wish they would have convicted him of adultery and let that be the end of it instead of that right wing dog and pony show investigation that cost the taxpayers 80 million plus dollars. It didn't accomplish a thing except begin the Republican's trashing of the U.S. Constitution which continues with the current adminstration.

And speaking of playing by the rules.......let's not forget our current president's supposed service in the Air National Guard. He should have been arrested for AWOL.

doh

You know he DID NOT LIE under oath. There were three criteria on the deposition questioning. He had the last two criteria struck because his lawyers argued the definitions of the last two criteria were too vague. He did not have sexual intercourse, the one criteria they could ask. No one ever brings this up.

Now he did commit acts of with the cigar but HE did not commit sexual intercourse. SHE did do a sexual act. After reading this I am aware of how silly it does sound, but I do contend that HE did not have sexual intercourse. HE DID NOT LIE.

Dogger Wrote:You know he DID NOT LIE under oath. There were three criteria on the deposition questioning. He had the last two criteria struck because his lawyers argued the definitions of the last two criteria were too vague. He did not have sexual intercourse, the one criteria they could ask. No one ever brings this up.

Now he did commit acts of with the cigar but HE did not commit sexual intercourse. SHE did do a sexual act. After reading this I am aware of how silly it does sound, but I do contend that HE did not have sexual intercourse. HE DID NOT LIE.

That will be facinating information to the judge that found him in contempt for it.

It will also come as a shock to Clinton who admited doing it.

From Clinton's statement:

Quote:In this consent order, I acknowledge having knowingly violated Judge Wright's discovery orders in my deposition in that case. I tried to walk a fine line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish this goal and that certain of my responses to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false.

False meaning NOT true, hence a lie.

Ninerfan,

Do you remember the discovery orders? This is not a flame. Clinton's lawyers had two criteria out of three stricken. He did not lie in a legal sense. Now it is playing with semantics and it definetly is a grey area.

Now on why did he say those things? It's one of those deals where people want to hear him say it. How many times have you said you were sorry, but deep down inside your really not sorry. Now, I gaurandamntee you he does not think he lied in his deposition. He walked a line in a grey area. It's silly but it's true.

It was a presonal deal. What business did Star have with it? Such bs!!

Dogger Wrote:Ninerfan,

&nbsp; Do you remember the discovery orders?&nbsp; This is not a flame.&nbsp; Clinton's lawyers had two criteria out of three stricken.&nbsp; He did not lie in a legal sense.&nbsp; Now it is playing with semantics and it definetly is a grey area.

Now on why did he say those things?&nbsp; It's one of those deals where people want to hear him say it.&nbsp; How many times have you said you were sorry, but deep down inside your really not sorry.&nbsp; Now, I gaurandamntee you he does not think he lied in his deposition.&nbsp; He walked a line in a grey area.&nbsp; It's silly but it's true.

It was a presonal deal.&nbsp; What business did Star have with it?&nbsp; Such bs!!

The judge who found him in contempt felt differently and he admitted he lied. To me that really closes the book on the issue when the person themselves says, yep I lied.

Whether he is sorry is irrelevant and not part of the discussion. The issue is did he lie, not if he's sorry he lied. You're saying he didn't lie. That's your opinion. However him admitting he lied, and a judge ruling that he lied, pretty much closes the book on the subject.

The fact is he DID lie. I couldn't care less if he's sorry or not.

Starr had business with it because he was investigating an allegation of rape towards the president. Part of an investigation into something like that is trying to determine if there is a pattern of behavior that would indicate if he's prone to extra marital affairs, groping women etc. The Lewinsky affair goes right to the heart of that.

As far as Starr's specific investigation I don't know if he was looking at the President's deposition or if he was also part of the rape piece of it. But purgery is a felony and one that should have been investigated.

PUHLEAZZEEE,

Lewinsky goes to the heart of the matter into a rape? Paula Jones contends he exposed himself. Run a five dollar bill through a trailer park you'll be amazed at what latches on. President Clinton was hounded from the day he took office. Keep those blinders on and you won't see the injustice of the entire proceedings.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:He committed adultery. It's a crime. He should have been prosecuted and almost surely convicted... meaning a fine and/or jailtime. He has to play by the rules like the rest of us.

no it isn't. I hate clinton, but i'm pretty sure adultery isn't a crime.

Dogger Wrote:PUHLEAZZEEE,

Lewinsky goes to the heart of the matter into a rape? Paula Jones contends he exposed himself. Run a five dollar bill through a trailer park you'll be amazed at what latches on. President Clinton was hounded from the day he took office. Keep those blinders on and you won't see the injustice of the entire proceedings.

Sorry. I got Jones confused with Wanita Broderick.

I don't have blinders on junior. The facts, an admission from him and a court ruling are all on my side. All you have is your opinion.