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And to think someone was crabbing at me for being verbose.

Okay, Clinton isn't the most direct president we've had. At least he didn't bug his political enemies or defy the will of Congress by selling arms in Nicaragua. Nothing Clinton has done comes close to the significance of these crimes.

He lied about a blow job. Bad? Yes. But no comparison to the stunts Reagan and Nixon pulled.

[quote]What he does know has nothing to do with Sammy Sosa, the White Sox or baseball.
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RochesterFalcon Wrote:But no comparison to the stunts Reagan pulled.
What stunts? The man was a genius.
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You just hate him cuz' he spanked your boy Jimmy Carter.
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[quote="RochesterFalcon"]1And to think someone was crabbing at me for being verbose.

2Okay, Clinton isn't the most direct president we've had. At least he didn't bug his political enemies or defy the will of Congress by selling arms in Nicaragua. Nothing Clinton has done comes close to the significance of these crimes.

3He lied about a blow job. Bad? Yes. But no comparison to the stunts Reagan and Nixon pulled.

[quote]What he does know has nothing to do with Sammy Sosa, the White Sox or baseball.
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Kind of like if someone were to jump on a factual, yet facetious comment about, oh I don't know, maybe a moron who had no business running a baseball team instead of addressing the following post that had a real point?

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I'm not slogging through that treatise.

Why are we talking about this, anyway? Clinton hasn't been president for two years. Again, I ask: When are you folks going to get over the fact that people liked Bill Clinton?
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Everyone knows that I have tougher ethic rules than any other President. Bill Clinton, news conference 3/3/95

The man was a master at being in front of a camera. I would love to go out chasing women with him!
04-08-2003 07:28 AM
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RochesterFalcon Wrote:I'm not slogging through that treatise.

Why are we talking about this, anyway? Clinton hasn't been president for two years. Again, I ask: When are you folks going to get over the fact that people liked Bill Clinton?
I like Clinton in that I'd have a cold frosty beer with him and chat about movies and women. 03-razz

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Here's a rather interesting and telling, if not a bit simplistic and stereotypical, overview of both sides of the political fence by George Lakoff...

"If conservatives control the levers of power, we face increased censorship, new laws against gays and lesbians, an escalation of the War on Drugs, and mandatory prayer in schools -- all in the name of "Christian" morality.

Conservatives want to use government to make sure you're not bad.

If liberals gain power, we face mandatory racial sensitivity training, greater redistribution of wealth, more anti-hate crime laws (read: "thought crimes"), and more affirmative action programs -- all in the name of "compassionate" morality.

Liberals want to use government to make you good.

The moral agendas of liberals and conservatives are quite different. But they have one thing in common: They both know what's best for you.

In his 1996 book, Moral Politics, George Lakoff wrote that conservatives hold a "Strict Father Model" view of government. Liberals, he writes, have a "Nurturant Parent Model."
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Some of y'all obviously don't like Clinton.

But his approval rating was astonishing even during impeachment. Overall, people liked Bubba, and they didn't much care about what he did or didn't do -- said, or didn't say -- about that thing with that woman.
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RochesterFalcon Wrote:Some of y'all obviously don't like Clinton.

But his approval rating was astonishing even during impeachment. Overall, people liked Bubba, and they didn't much care about what he did or didn't do -- said, or didn't say.
The exact same could be said for Bush. He still has an approval rating of 65%-70%. Barring a major **** up in the next 18 months [insert flame here], people will remember the tough times Bush helped lead us through. Come election time, there will be no one from the donkey party that can touch him. Bank on it.
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Oddball Wrote:Kind of like if someone were to jump on a factual, yet facetious comment about, oh I don't know, maybe a moron who had no business running a baseball team instead of addressing the following post that had a real point?
Oh come on. Who could've looked at that scrawny guy with the gerri-curl (sp?) that struck out every other time at bat and project that he'd hit 500+ homers in his career. Like Nate said, the White Sox did the exact same time. If you want to make this into a baseball argument, blame the Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf for trading him to the Cubs - he was really starting to blossom at that point.
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JoltinJacket Wrote:
RochesterFalcon Wrote:Some of y'all obviously don't like Clinton.

But his approval rating was astonishing even during impeachment. Overall, people liked Bubba, and they didn't much care about what he did or didn't do -- said, or didn't say.
The exact same could be said for Bush. He still has an approval rating of 65%-70%. Barring a major **** up in the next 18 months [insert flame here], people will remember the tough times Bush helped lead us through. Come election time, there will be no one from the donkey party that can touch him. Bank on it.
Just like Bush ver1.0 after his war. :D
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I'll be the first to give Clinton credit on this. Clinton was a master politician. He didn't produce a lot of meaningful legislation (NOTE...before liberals go mad.. I said A LOT, not NONE), and he had all kinds of problems (Whitewater, Foster, Girls Gone Wild, Impeachment, etc.), but he just breezed through them all.

Gore should've taken lessons from Clinton. Gore's problem from the start was that he assumed too much. He assumed, for one, that he'd win Arkansas. Gore never came to Arkansas during the 2000 election. Bush came to Arkansas 6 times, including the eve of election night. The result was the independent voters in AR believed Bush, since he came frequently, wanted their votes more than Al Gore did. Bush won Arkansas come election night... which was big given that every state Bush won decided this election.

Personally though, I wish Clinton would've done a better job, cause it would've really helped the state of Arkansas. He'll always be known though as President Pimp though, and that's not something we're proud of.

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Yep, it was Arkansas that cost Gore the election. The fools who think it had something to do with Bush's brother's state fudging the results are all nuts. :rolleyes:
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Quote:The exact same could be said for Bush. He still has an approval rating of 65%-70%. Barring a major **** up in the next 18 months [insert flame here], people will remember the tough times Bush helped lead us through. Come election time, there will be no one from the donkey party that can touch him. Bank on it.

His daddy had a 90 percent approval rating at one point during the First Gulf War, and he lost.

This is suggestive, I think. Remember, that, before the Second Gulf War began, at least half the country (and maybe more) did not agree going to war was the right thing to do in the absence of U.N. or signficant international support.

I believe more people are crabby about this war than are willing to say so to anyone, including a telephone pollster. Some people are beating Americans over the head with the (unpatriotic) idea that it's unpatriotic to criticize the president or his war.

I don't think these approval ratings have legs. I really don't. Bush very easily could lose when America gets back to normal and realizes that the economy is very crappy right now.

Bush could always gamble and invade another country, of course. But I'm not even sure that would work.
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Oddball Wrote:Yep, it was Arkansas that cost Gore the election. The fools who think it had something to do with Bush's brother's state fudging the results are all nuts. :rolleyes:
Lest we forget that the Tree couldn't even carry his own state. When you can't do that, you don't deserve to hold any office. If he could've just done that, you wouldn't be whining right now.
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Whining? I don't think so. But I'm sure comments like that will get you lots of "dittos" from like-minded "individuals".
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<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/13/gore.ends.campaign/' target='_blank'>Call anyone right of center a ditto head......... I know it makes you feel better.........btw, Gore conceded, why wont you????</a>
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What do you think of these ideas?

There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism and self-reliance - which made America great.

The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators.

No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.

Evidence refutes liberalism.

There is no such thing as a New Democrat.

The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.

Character matters; leadership decends from character.

The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down.

Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century.

The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity; it was the longest period of peacetime growth in American history.

Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy - every time it's tried.

Condoms only work during the school year.

Poverty is not the root ("rut") cause of crime.

There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish those who do not.

If you commit a crime, you are guilty.
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