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Public gay high school to open in New York City
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(New York-AP) -- New York City is creating what is described as the nation's first public high school for gay, bisexual and transgender students.

The Harvey Milk High School will enroll about 100 students in a newly renovated building in the fall. The Department of education says it expects enrollment to increase to 170 students by Fall 2004.

The school is named after San Francisco's first openly gay city supervisor, who was assassinated in 1978.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg applauded the idea. He said kids who have been harassed in other schools can get an education without having to worry.

The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since its inception.

State Conservative Party Chairman Mike Long criticized the creation of the school, saying there's no reason these children should be segregated.

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Bad idea and very hypocritical.
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At first, when I heard the story, I was against the idea of public funds for the school.

But then I thought, aren't parents of gay students already paying for public schools? Shouldn't they get a school that meets the needs of their kids? So now I'm undecided.

I think hiring for teachers will be a thorny issue, though. The stories I've read haven't outlined whether the teachers and administrative staff will be gay as well, which - in turn - that hiring practice will run head-first into the government anti-discriminatory laws. That Catch-22 would be amusing to watch.

I also heard all exams at that school will be oral. :roflol:

I like the quote from Neal Boortz's column comparing Hollywood marriages:

[quote]I understand that a lot of Americans are now upset that the recent Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas is going to open the doors to the state sanctioning of gay marriages.&nbsp; I do wonder, though, why these same Americans aren
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<a href='http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0703/scarborough.html' target='_blank'>http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0703/scarborough.html</a>

Taxpayers are paying for an exclusively gay high school. It's liberal hypocrisy at its worst.

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For years, you and I have heard liberals whining about how Christians shouldn't shove their views down Americans' throats by having vouchers pay for students' enrollment in Christian schools. It was un-American we were told. Morally offensive, liberals said. How dare you make me pay taxes to a school whose teachings I do not support?

Well, well, well. The shoe appears to be on the other foot now... and liberals are gleefully trying it on for size. That's because taxpayers are now footing the three million dollar bill for a gay high school in New York City.

Never mind the fact that many more Americans are offended by homosexual lifestyles than someone's faith in god. Somehow, liberals are so blinded by ideology that they don't even see the screaming inconsistencies in their positions.

Like I said after the Supreme Court decision regarding gay rights, I don't want our police kicking down doors to see who is having sex with whom. Keep it to yourself.

But you also need to keep your hands out of my wallet when it comes to promoting a gay agenda. Especially when teachers can be fired from their jobs for praying to the Creator, or daring to bring their faith inside the schoolhouse doors.

It's liberal hypocrisy at its worse.


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T-Monay820 Wrote:Taxpayers are paying for an exclusively gay high school. It's liberal hypocrisy at its worst.

Joe Scarborough

For years, you and I have heard liberals whining about how Christians shouldn't shove their views down Americans' throats by having vouchers pay for students' enrollment in Christian schools. It was un-American we were told. Morally offensive, liberals said. How dare you make me pay taxes to a school whose teachings I do not support?

Well, well, well. The shoe appears to be on the other foot now... and liberals are gleefully trying it on for size. That's because taxpayers are now footing the three million dollar bill for a gay high school in New York City.

Never mind the fact that many more Americans are offended by homosexual lifestyles than someone's faith in god. Somehow, liberals are so blinded by ideology that they don't even see the screaming inconsistencies in their positions.

Like I said after the Supreme Court decision regarding gay rights, I don't want our police kicking down doors to see who is having sex with whom. Keep it to yourself.

But you also need to keep your hands out of my wallet when it comes to promoting a gay agenda. Especially when teachers can be fired from their jobs for praying to the Creator, or daring to bring their faith inside the schoolhouse doors.

It's liberal hypocrisy at its worse.


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Amen to Scarbourough...and I also love his show btw.

If you fund a gay school, then religious schools should also get funding.

The really far left pisses me off on this issue too. They are 100% hypocritical. These people protest manger scenes at Christmas..on church properties, because they 'offend people'. Yet, they're all about gay pride parades and flaunting homosexuality..calling it 'diversity'. Like Scarbourough said, I, like most of America, am MUCH more offended by gays than by any religious decoration.

If this was a private gay high school, I wouldn't have a problem with the issue. However, when taxpayer money is spent, then I have a problem with it, b/c I don't want a dime of my money going to fund a school that promotes something I find disgusting, immoral, and wrong.

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I hate this. We can make homosexuality look good but the fact remains it's still a very destructive lifestyle.
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Quote:If you fund a gay school, then religious schools should also get funding.

I agree. Taxpayers should not be responsible for this.

I do not agree with the idea of this school, however. It's segregation. (Yes, I realize no one's forcing these kids to go to this school, but I still see it as segregation). Fine, they go to high school among those who are "like them". But it's certainly not the real world. The whole plan for this was to put them into an environment that is safe so they could learn without dealing with the hate that can come from other kids. But what happens once they're out of high school? They're protected from 8-3, but that's it.

Though, I do see the positive side as to where they're learning more in a safe environment, but I don't think this is a good idea. And certainly not one that should be publicly funded.
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Gay kids need their own school because they are picked on??? Give me a ****in break fat kids are picked on too...should they get their own school?

This is absolute Ludicrous. Why should I pay money so someone can send their kids to gay "public school"? And how is it public if only gay kids are allowed??? Not only is it absurd its segregation and I havent even started on the fact that at that age kids dont know nearly as much about themselves to know if they are gay or not. They would be there one week and change their mind and decide they want to be straight again when its the in thing. :rolleyes:

If this thing actually stands as a "public" school I think I'm going to puke.
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I thought the idea of a seperate shool would be shot down when the "Seperate but Equal" ruling was considered unconstitutional?
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It's a great idea. And yes, tax dollars should pay for it.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:It's a great idea. And yes, tax dollars should pay for it.
Care to give a reason?
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Why Not?

They already have their own University.

The University of Florida..."Home of the Gaytors!"
08-02-2003 09:50 AM
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Quote:Care to give a reason?

Let me tell you about Harvey Milk. In 1977, Milk became the first openly gay man elected to the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco.

Eleven months later, Milk was assassinated. A former supervisor -- angry about a new city civil rights law -- snuck in through a window in order to bypass metal detectors and shot Milk right there in City Hall.

Now: Stop to consider the immensity of the New York City public school system for a moment.

In New York City, roughly 1.1 million children are enrolled in roughly 1,291 different public schools or programs, including roughly 47 existing "alternative schools."

That's gigantic. That's bigger, in fact, than the school systems in 39 states. It's so big that if all those New York City school kids up and moved to Wyoming, Wyoming's population would more than *triple*.

The question at hand, then, is: Should a school system larger than 39 state school systems create one alternative school (out of 1,292 schools) that will serve 200 or so teens (out of 1.1 million other school children) who have (a) concluded they are gay or lesbian and (b) would like to avoid becoming a high school version of Harvey Milk (dead, in cold blood, because of who they are).

Hell yes! It's a great idea. I mean what are the objections?

Segregation? Of course this isn't segregation! Segretation was declaring a public school or university or bathroom or restaurant for "whites only" -- then beating the ****** out of nonwhites who objected. These kids (and their parents) are *choosing* this school in order *not* to get the ****** beat out of them.

Your tax dollars? *Your* tax dollars aren't involved in this school! These are New York tax dollars. I feel safe in assuming no one who has posted in this thread is from New York -- in part because most New Yorkers will be perfectly fine with this.

Consider this February poll of New Yorkers on gay rights and gay issues:

<a href='http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.022301/210542342.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.0223...1/210542342.htm</a>

New York City will survive -- and thrive -- just fine without the advice of some of the likes of you.

Is this an inappropriate intermingling of church and state? How so?

Just because *some* rather conservative Christians object to gay sex on moral grounds, that does not make this a church/state issue. I don't even get the comparsion that some are attempting to draw here. If there is a gay take on God, it won't be taught here.

Finally, one person here wonders if such a school could prepare gay and lesbian teens for the real world.

I'd submit these kids will be far better off at this school than are many of the gay and lesbian teens growing up in your hometown or my hometown -- getting their ****** kicked out by drunken teen bullies driving lifesize Hot Wheels trucks complete with K.C. lights.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea. The world doesn't need another Harvey Milk murder.
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Hypocrisy in action. If Publically-funded religious schools, all black schools, all white schools, etc. are banned, then so should this be. The Mississippi University for Women was just that. It was ruled unconstitutional and now graduates many men.

I thought all you damn liberals, SHAD!, wanted freaking inclusion and assimilation. Apparently not when it comes to this. We didn't hit a nerve, did we?
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....and by the way, EVERYONE is subject to criticism, ridicule, and jokes. Fat, weak, ugly, etc. Of course, most of the ugly women wind up being liberal feminists.


Shad is a lock-step, liberal sheep. He takes every position of the left.
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Your logic is flawed in so many ways. Would you support a Christian public school funded by tax dollars? Doubtful.

Second, I never said my tax dollars were being used. If you had read the question (not likely considering your other posts that completely miss what I say) it says, "Should the tax payers in New York be required to pay for it?" No where did it say *our* tax dollars.

Third, if gay and lesbian students don't interact with other normal students then how are they gonna know how to react when they finally do get out on their own? Homosexuality will never be accepted as normal by the American public. But if these kids have been raised in a "peaceful" environment, then it will be a major shock when they finally do realize the world isn't quite so accepting of this revolting lifestyle.

Just because one gay guy got shot, you claim that all gays need safe environments. Did you not hear about the NYC council shooting? A guy that advocated GUN CONTROL was murdered in the council chamber! Everyone has enemies. Should we also open a school exclusivley for advocates of gun control based on one case? No! Why? Its a waste of tax dollars.

Next, how can you claim stuff that happens in my hometown? And polls taken in 2001 have no bearing on 2003.

Lastly, you view on segregation is completely wrong.

segregation
n 1: a social system that provides separate facilities for minority groups 2: the act of segregating or sequestering

No where does it say "Whites only". It says seperating. Seperate facilities is unconstitutional. Remember Brown v. Board of Education? If not: <a href='http://www.nps.gov/brvb/' target='_blank'>http://www.nps.gov/brvb/</a>.

Quote:On October 26, 1992, Congress passed Public Law 102-525 establishing Brown v. Board of Education National Historic Site to commemorate the landmark Supreme Court decision aimed at ending segregation in public schools. On May 17, 1954, the Supreme Court unanimously declared that separate educational facilities are inherently unequal" and, as such, violate the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees all citizens "equal protection of the laws."


The whole idea is a huge waste of money and time. If they want a school that bad, go out and fund raise and start up a private school. Seperate but equal, my ******!
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RebelKev Wrote:Hypocrisy in action. If Publically-funded religious schools, all black schools, all white schools, etc. are banned, then so should this be. The Mississippi University for Women was just that. It was ruled unconstitutional and now graduates many men.
Exactly what Scarborough was trying to prove.
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:Hypocrisy in action. If Publically-funded religious schools, all black schools, all white schools, etc. are banned, then so should this be. The Mississippi University for Women was just that. It was ruled unconstitutional and now graduates many men.
Exactly what Scarborough was trying to prove.
T, use the Constitution and you'll win against a liberal every time. He has no argument. It's unconstitutional. I don't give a DAMN what HE wants or what HE believes, we aren't based on his likings and beliefs. We are founded on the rule of law, the US Constitution. You can't have it both ways. You can't fight against segregated schools in the South and try to champion a segregated gay school. Geez, who am I kidding? Liberals try it all the time.
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And let us ALL never forget...that the same segregation
that was openly practiced in the South...was equally
practiced in the North.

Never forget that the Civil War was fought over
States Rights...Not Slavery.

Never Forget that the Slavery Issue, was only brought
into play to encourage more enlistment in the Federal
Army!

Never forget...TAXPAYERS DON'T FOOT THE BILL FOR
PRIVATE SCHOOLS! That's why they are called
Private!
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Quote: Would you support a Christian public school funded by tax dollars?

I already pay for a Christian private school with my tax dollars. To wit: The Cleveland voucher program. Almost all of the vouchers are redeemed at Catholic schools.

As for a Christian public school -- it's unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has demonstrated that again and again -- and I still fail to see why people are bringing this up in a discussion of the Harvey Milk High School.

A high school designed to be welcoming to gays and lesbians has no bearing on the principle of the separation of church and state.

Quote:Second, I never said my tax dollars were being used. If you had read the question (not likely considering your other posts that completely miss what I say) it says, "Should the tax payers in New York be required to pay for it?" No where did it say *our* tax dollars.

But this is what I can't get past: If they aren't your tax dollars, why is this high school a concern of yours? It's quite generous of you to be so concerned about New Yorkers' tax dollars that you pitch a fit about the Harvey Milk High School. But -- as I've pointed out -- a broad majority of New Yorkers aren't likely to care.

Quote:Third, if gay and lesbian students don't interact with other normal students then how are they gonna know how to react when they finally do get out on their own?

By graduating? (instead of, say, committing suicide)?

High schools can be brutal places loaded with peer pressure, bullying and tons of teens that think they can only get ahead in the social pecking order by verbally or physically abusing a classmate.

Adulthood is a safer, better place.

Quote:Homosexuality will never be accepted as normal by the American public.

You need to get out more. The world is changing.

Stonewall was only 34 years ago. It was only 20 years ago that the Supreme Court ruled that states did have a right to enforce sodomy laws. For the Supreme Court to overturn its own sodomy ruling within the space of 20 years is emblematic of how fast the world is changing.

We are facing the civil rights question of our age. And you appear to be on the wrong side of history.

Quote:But if these kids have been raised in a "peaceful" environment, then it will be a major shock when they finally do realize the world isn't quite so accepting of this revolting lifestyle.

As I've said, almost anything is probably a more welcoming environment for gays and lesbians than being forced to spend your time with 1,000 pubecent teenagers.

A high school is possibly the worst place in America for a gay or lesbian teen. I can't cite statistics. I can't prove it. But I believe this with all my heart.

Quote:Just because one gay guy got shot,

One guy?

Does the name "Matthew Shepard" ring a bell?

Quote:Did you not hear about the NYC council shooting?

I was at a conference last weekend where James Davis was supposed to speak.

Yeah, I heard about it.

Quote:Next, how can you claim stuff that happens in my hometown?

It happened in mine.

Quote:And polls taken in 2001 have no bearing on 2003.

If anything, a 2003 poll would be even more favorable to my point. You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing.

Quote:Lastly, you view on segregation is completely wrong....No where does it say "Whites only". It says seperating. Seperate facilities is unconstitutional. Remember Brown v. Board of Education?

Organizers of the Harvey Milk High School say all students -- including heterosexuals -- are welcome to attend.

Brown v. Board of Education does not apply here.

Quote:The whole idea is a huge waste of money and time.

Says you.

I says it's worth a try.
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