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nate jonesacc Wrote:1) That school is completely constitutional.
You don't get the point, do you? It is as unconstitutional as having an "All-Baptist" high school. That's the Constitution(An amendment of course). You cannot segregate on race, creed, gender, or sexual preference. I am a heterosexual. I am barred from attending a school that is funded BY taxpayers. You really need to take a Poly-Sci course.
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RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:1) That school is completely constitutional.
You don't get the point, do you? It is as unconstitutional as having an "All-Baptist" high school. That's the Constitution(An amendment of course). You cannot segregate on race, creed, gender, or sexual preference. I am a heterosexual. I am barred from attending a school that is funded BY taxpayers. You really need to take a Poly-Sci course.
You obviously didn't read the 2nd part of my response. I agree with what you said. I said it's completely constitutional under the pretext that it was a private school.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:
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nate jonesacc Wrote:1) That school is completely constitutional.
You don't get the point, do you? It is as unconstitutional as having an "All-Baptist" high school. That's the Constitution(An amendment of course). You cannot segregate on race, creed, gender, or sexual preference. I am a heterosexual. I am barred from attending a school that is funded BY taxpayers. You really need to take a Poly-Sci course.
You obviously didn't read the 2nd part of my response. I agree with what you said. I said it's completely constitutional under the pretext that it was a private school.
My comprehension problem then.
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04-bow Thank you.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:04-bow Thank you.
What? You thought it was beneath me?
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RebelKev Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:04-bow Thank you.
What? You thought it was beneath me?
That's why I'm so shocked. You see... if we both just tone things down a bit... good conversation can be reached.
08-14-2003 09:50 PM
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nate jonesacc Wrote:
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nate jonesacc Wrote:04-bow Thank you.
What? You thought it was beneath me?
That's why I'm so shocked. You see... if we both just tone things down a bit... good conversation can be reached.
Well, I felt bad the past few days because you HAVE been kinda civil, while I have not...thinking of the past. However, today you have been VERY offensive.
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Can anyone here cite a Supreme Court decision that suggests the Harvey Milk school is unconstitutional.

All you people have been doing is asserting that its unconstitutional. I've explained why it is. Participation is voluntary and there are no church-state issues.

If you are so convinced it will be unconstitutional, cite a case.
08-15-2003 01:22 PM
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Schadenfreude Wrote:Can anyone here cite a Supreme Court decision that suggests the Harvey Milk school is unconstitutional.

All you people have been doing is asserting that its unconstitutional. I've explained why it is. Participation is voluntary and there are no church-state issues.

If you are so convinced it will be unconstitutional, cite a case.
Hmmmm, let's research the documents.


Civil Rights Act of '64:

To be honest, and you are NOT going to like what I have to say at the end, I could find nothing about this type of discrimination in neither the US Constitution, nor the NY Constitution. Also, the Civil Rights Act of '64 only addresses discrimination, where sex and/or gender is concerned, in its decision on employment.(Title VII)

With that said, the Citadel was well within their rights to keep women from attending their school. As far as education and public facilities is concerned, the only characteristics that it addresses is race, color, religion, or national origin. Title III, Sec. 301-A.

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US Constitution:

Now, as far as the US Constitution, I also found nothing about discrimination towards straight people(Yes, that's a jab), or the segregation of sexes.

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NY Constitution:


ARTICLE 1, Sec.11.

No person shall be denied the equal protection of the laws of this state or any subdivision thereof. No person shall, because of race, color, creed or religion, be subjected to any discrimination in his or her civil rights by any other person or by any firm, corporation, or institution, or by the state or any agency or subdivision of the state.

Hmmm, ok.

Ahh, but what about this? Isn't it open to interpretation? I am sure the NY Supremes can make this a little more ambiguous.

ARTICLE XI----Education

Section 1. The legislature shall provide for the maintenance and support of a system of free common schools, wherein all the children of this state may be educated.


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<a href='http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm' target='_blank'>Civil Right's Act of 1964</a>



<a href='http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?co=0' target='_blank'>New York Constitution</a>

<a href='http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html' target='_blank'>US Amendments</a>


.....but can something be found here:


<a href='http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html' target='_blank'>US Constitution---->Check Article One(Legislative Powers)</a>

as to HOW the Legislature can allocate funds and for what reasons? It may not be anything about discrimination, but purely an issue of Congress' enumerated and implied powers. They MAY not be able to do this, however, if it's not expressly written and addressed in the US Constitution, then it is a right left to the state. With that said, it's not my concern.

.....but you do realize, if this issue hasn't been addressed, all-male schools, etc., are in fact, legal.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:
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nate jonesacc Wrote:Homosexuality has NO history of oppressing hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Homosexuality is not a societal problem. We don't ever worry as a society... "how are we gonna contain all these homosexuals?". There is nothing wrong with two men or two women wanting to live faithfully in a relationship together. There is something wrong with a racist wanting to practice racism. There is nothing wrong with a homosexual wanting to practice homosexuality (as long as it's the same way a hetero would practice... faithfully).
It's STILL segregation and unconstitutional. Ok, I want MY children to go to a school that has a MINIMUM of 100K capita per household. ...and it has NO ties to oppression of millions, so it should be allowed.
1) That school is completely constitutional.
Apparently, I may be wrong, but only on the segregation issue. I am still researching the validity of the Legislature to allocate funding for such a school.
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What I was saying is that if you want to have a private school for 100K+ families... that's fine and completely constitutional. However, the government can't and shouldn't fund it through taxes.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:What I was saying is that if you want to have a private school for 100K+ families... that's fine and completely constitutional. However, the government can't and shouldn't fund it through taxes.
..and I totally agree.
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Whos cares? We already dump way to much money into these crappy goverment schools anyway. Thank god I can afford to send my kids to private schools. And if I couldnt I would home school them.
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