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It means witnessing to people. I would say that true Christians know that they have a job to witness... but that doesn't necessarily mean shoving a Bible in people's faces and pointing a finger.

I roomed with an atheist throughout much of college, and I knew that talking about my faith wouldn't fly with him (nor most other non-Christians). So, I never once tried that. I wouldn't have felt comfortable doing that anyway. Instead, I tried letting my actions do the speaking. I'm not saying it did any good -- but I do know that he had immense respect for me and my beliefs. And, that's a start.

The only time I see the need to talk about my faith is when someone obviously wants to hear it. You can tell when someone is searching for answers, and that's the time to approach them about it. Otherwise, your words will just be falling on deaf ears... and it'll just turn people off from Christianity.

That's just my opinion, of course.

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cbfranchise3 Wrote:John 3:16

That is all you need to know.
Yeah and that can be interpreted a thousand different ways! :wave:

One thing is for certain, this world would be much better off if there were no organized religions!
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KlutzDio I Wrote:One thing is for certain, this world would be much better off if there were no organized religions!
then you would have no America Dio. America was founded by Christian men and women. Look where the world would be without America (see also WW1, WW2)
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How 'Bout "One nation under Gates?" :)
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JD Heel Wrote:It means witnessing to people.  I would say that true Christians know that they have a job to witness... but that doesn't necessarily mean shoving a Bible in people's faces and pointing a finger. 

I roomed with an atheist throughout much of college, and I knew that talking about my faith wouldn't fly with him (nor most other non-Christians).  So, I never once tried that.  I wouldn't have felt comfortable doing that anyway.  Instead, I tried letting my actions do the speaking.  I'm not saying it did any good -- but I do know that he had immense respect for me and my beliefs.  And, that's a start.

The only time I see the need to talk about my faith is when someone obviously wants to hear it.  You can tell when someone is searching for answers, and that's the time to approach them about it.  Otherwise, your words will just be falling on deaf ears... and it'll just turn people off from Christianity.

That's just my opinion, of course.

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I'm an atheist, but the thing is, I don't mind talking about theology or the notion of faith with other people. I think the issue is that not many people want to feel like faith is being shoved in their face, and some people feel that way when they're forced to say under God.

The issue is to compromise our diversity of religious opinion with our mutual existence of humans, despite theological doctrine.
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To say that the world would be better off without organized religion is absolutely ridiculous. Organized religion has done more good in the world than any single other method of doing good.
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Aethists have a God... whether it is money or sex or whatever it is that an aethist worships, that is their god. Every religion has a God... Where in the Pledge of Allegiance does it say the christian God?? Where in the Pledge of Allegiance does it say under the only God?? It doesn't... It says under God, thats your God, their God, and/or my God.
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Nate and Marine,

First of all, Christains are the most death-obsessed people on the Earth, for the most part.

Religiosity divides people as in the first settlers to the New World. They were persecuted in the old countries and so they came here to persecute the natives and any other "derelicts" and "savages" that they ran up upon. They also did a fine job of persecuting Catholics when they started showing up in the New World.

Religion is divisive, especially Christainity, when the Bible speaks of an idea of "God's elect." This idea is divisive because someone somewhere will believe they are one of God's elect and they will believe that some others are not God's elect and they will discriminate against them upon the foundation of this insane idea.

I'll admit that I'm pretty boorish on the subject of organized religion. I'm also quite close-minded on Christainity as well, in fact, I loathe Christains and I'm not afraid to admit that. I find them to be the most detestable people on the planet (moreso than Jackson area car-jackers).

Seriously, I know there are some good Christains out there, I just don't meet many of them and if I did, they'd judge me (I know because I met Jimmy Carter and he judged me).

The good Christainity has done for KD1 is, I went to a private Jesuit school and that served as the foundation of my education. The Jesuits were hands-down the best educators in my experience. I just wish they'd leave all that durn death out of it. Death this, Jesus is dead, no he's not, he's resurrected. When yer dead you go to heaven unless you're not one of God's elect, then you burn in hell because God is merciful! Yee-haw! :snore:
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nate jonesacc Wrote:To say that the world would be better off without organized religion is absolutely ridiculous. Organized religion has done more good in the world than any single other method of doing good.
Amen. 04-bow
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jrhessey Wrote:Aethists have a God... whether it is money or sex or whatever it is that an aethist worships, that is their god. Every religion has a God... Where in the Pledge of Allegiance does it say the christian God?? Where in the Pledge of Allegiance does it say under the only God?? It doesn't... It says under God, thats your God, their God, and/or my God.
I agree that atheists do have a god. Well, more specifically they have faith. Their faith in the concept of no-god is as strong as the theist's faith in God.

I'll also claim here that Christains have more than one God. They have Yahweh, Christ and/or the Trinity but in addition to these deities, Christains worship money, death, sports, drugs, sex, TV, food, drink, and a variety of other sinful things.

And to fully proclaim my position on the pledge--I don't pledge allegiance to anything, not a flag, not a god, nor any persons (well except my employer and I do that out of fiduciary expediency). To pledge allegiance to a flag is a self-defacing act. It says you are subservient to a piece of cloth (an inanimate object) and I can't think of any more of a meaningless act. I mean, if you pledge your allegiance to a flag and then wave another flag (say the Vietnamese flag) will the U.S. flag come and kick your arse?

This doesn't mean I hate my country, actually, I love my country. I have to because my country has done so much for me, namely, helping me pay for college so I'll have to work the rest of my life to pay the loans. My country taxes me at an outrageous rate so I'll have to work harder and harder to keep up with it all. I love my country because my government is in cahoots with the insurance companies and I'll have to pay them some dough too!
I love my country and I love the fact we can say fock you to these friggen Christains and Mormons when the come knocking on your door.

The act of a pledge is meaningless and in Catholic school, I never had to say the Pledge. We prayed before class and we prayed before kicking arse on the football field too!
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we'll have to agree to disagree dio. I don't have time to reply right now at work, but I would like to talk to you about this sometime.
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Bill Gates Wrote:How 'Bout "One nation under Gates?" :)
Here's the solution:

"One nation under Canada, above Mexico."
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KlutzDio I Wrote:Nate and Marine,

First of all, Christains are the most death-obsessed people on the Earth, for the most part.
Those people are not Christians... Bush and co are not Christians... they may go to church every sunday, but until they start living like christians, they are not.
Religiosity divides people as in the first settlers to the New World. They were persecuted in the old countries and so they came here to persecute the natives and any other "derelicts" and "savages" that they ran up upon. They also did a fine job of persecuting Catholics when they started showing up in the New World.
Most of these conflicts were started by people claiming religious motives falsely, or people misunderstanding their religion.

Religion is divisive, especially Christainity, when the Bible speaks of an idea of "God's elect." This idea is divisive because someone somewhere will believe they are one of God's elect and they will believe that some others are not God's elect and they will discriminate against them upon the foundation of this insane idea.
Real Christians do not discriminate but open themselves and their religion to others. It's only "Christians" like Bush and others who want to kill anyone who isn't Christian.
I'll admit that I'm pretty boorish on the subject of organized religion. I'm also quite close-minded on Christainity as well, in fact, I loathe Christains and I'm not afraid to admit that. I find them to be the most detestable people on the planet (moreso than Jackson area car-jackers).
That's a shame. Why is that?
Seriously, I know there are some good Christains out there, I just don't meet many of them and if I did, they'd judge me (I know because I met Jimmy Carter and he judged me).
There are thousands of "good" Christians out there... I don't know why you haven't met any, but they do exist.

The good Christainity has done for KD1 is, I went to a private Jesuit school and that served as the foundation of my education. The Jesuits were hands-down the best educators in my experience. I just wish they'd leave all that durn death out of it. Death this, Jesus is dead, no he's not, he's resurrected. When yer dead you go to heaven unless you're not one of God's elect, then you burn in hell because God is merciful! Yee-haw! :snore:
It's not secret that Catholic schools are some of the best at education... whether it's religious subjects or secular subjects, they can teach. Let me ask you, do you loathe those nuns and priests who taught you a lot of what you know?
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Nate,

I didn't have many nuns as teachers, only one way back when I was in the sixth grade. She taught Catechism. anyway, one day she didn't really have anything planned and we all started bombarding her with "what if..." questions. People were asking stupid shee-aht like "what if I have a kid when I'm an adult and the kid murders someone, will I still go to heaven....?"

When I got a chance to ask Sister Mary Blowhard a question, mine was of a different bent.
I said, "If Adam and Eve were the only people on earth and then they lost one of their kids, who did Cain marry and have children with? I have a hard time getting around this incest thing!"

She immediately chastised me and said, "God doesn't like negative thoughts and if you think negatively He will punish you."
And I replied, "so we don't have free will.."
And she banished me out to the hallway. After catechism my schoolmates came and ostracized me for not believing the way they do. I told them to go fock themselves and I was better off intellectually because I didn't accept false realities.

That is when one kid, I think his name was Calling the Hawgs, but this kid beat me up and said that would teach me for questioning his faith!

No, seriously (most of that above story IS true) I only had a few priest teachers in high school, but they taught Latin and Physics--niether of which I was much interested in. Most of my teachers were normal working folks who actually had at least a master's degree in the subjects they taught. That is why that school was so good, also the Catholics didn't censor anything. It was no-holds barred teaching!

I still hate Christ-stains though! :D
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Nate, WHO THE **** ARE YOU to say who is or isn't a damn Christian. You are just a punk-****** little kid who is really pissing me off. I'd ***** slap you right now if you were around me. TRUST me, I'll repent for it.

You are EXACTLY like a Pharisee Nate. YOU are not the judge of who is and who isn't a Christian you 16 y/o little dumb***. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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T-Money, will you bitchslap him tomorrow for me? I'll send you a check.
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nate jonesacc Wrote:Those people are not Christians... Bush and co are not Christians... they may go to church every sunday, but until they start living like christians, they are not.
<span style='color:red'>"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be meausred to you."</span> Matthew 7:1-2

Just some food for thought for you Nate.
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RebelKev Wrote:T-Money, will you bitchslap him tomorrow for me? I'll send you a check.
Lets do the Christian thing, and let God *****-slap him for us. See above post.
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RebelKev Wrote:Nate, WHO THE **** ARE YOU to say who is or isn't a damn Christian. You are just a punk-****** little kid who is really pissing me off. I'd ***** slap you right now if you were around me. TRUST me, I'll repent for it.

You are EXACTLY like a Pharisee Nate. YOU are not the judge of who is and who isn't a Christian you 16 y/o little dumb***. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You sound just like the man who killed his entire family and said he did it knowing God would forgive him. :rolleyes:

If Osama Bin Laden claimed he was a Christian, would you believe him?
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
nate jonesacc Wrote:Those people are not Christians... Bush and co are not Christians... they may go to church every sunday, but until they start living like christians, they are not.
<span style='color:red'>"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be meausred to you."</span> Matthew 7:1-2

Just some food for thought for you Nate.
So when you judge Osama Bin Laden or Saddam as evil, are you not too judging them?
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