Quote: WASHINGTON, April 2 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Democratic Candidate for President John Kerry issued the following statement today on the job numbers released this morning:

"After three years of punishing job losses, the one month job creation announced today is welcome news for America's workers. I hope it continues. But for too many families, living through the worst job recovery since the Great Depression has been, and continues to be, far too painful. With nearly 2.6 million private sector jobs lost during the Bush presidency, America's families need and deserve a new economic strategy. In every single month of this Administration, we haven't seen the creation of a single manufacturing job in America. That's why I've proposed a strategy that that revitalizes our manufacturing sector and puts us on track to create 10 million new jobs in the next four years."

<a href='http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=669&u=/usnw/20040402/pl_usnw/kerry_statement_on_job_numbers_released_today115_xml&printer=1' target='_blank'>Here is the link for the story!</a>

I am so glad yall nominated this cat. His whoppers make ole algore look like a perfect little :angel: ! What do the libs do, try and find the guy with idiotic ideas and absolutely zero personality.

Landslide! Landslide! :laugh:

GrayBeard Wrote:Landslide!  Landslide! :laugh:

<a href='http://www.ipr.uc.edu/PDF/OhioPoll/2004_Prez_032604.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.ipr.uc.edu/PDF/OhioPoll/2004_Pr...Prez_032604.pdf</a>

<a href='http://www.ipr.uc.edu/PDF/OhioPoll/2004_prezapp_040204.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.ipr.uc.edu/PDF/OhioPoll/2004_pr...zapp_040204.pdf</a>

Key points:

-- Ohio is a dead heat, despite Nader.

-- Just 38 percent of Ohioans approve of Bush's job performance when it comes to the economy.

No Republican has ever won the White House without winning Ohio.

Bush is certainly working on Ohio. He spoke at Marshall University yesterday, an appearance that will reach plenty of potential swing voters in southeast Ohio. And his campaign continues to air ads here. But the numbers aren't moving.

I am suprised that a blatently liberal canadate is so close in the polls. Could the dumbing down by gorverment schools be taking effect?

Yes, apparently they have.

Are you a dropout of the public school system?

You really need to work on memorizing your lines a little bit better, son.

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Now, just say that anytime ANYTHING could be construed as remotely blaming W.

9-11?

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Economy?

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Abortion?

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Hollywood?

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Corrupted values of wholesome teenage girls?

"Godda#N that Slick Willy!"

Undertand now? Good. Write that 1000 times on your computer screen. Quiz tomorrow at 10.
:chair:

Skipuno Wrote:I am suprised that a blatently liberal canadate is so close in the polls. Could the dumbing down by gorverment schools be taking effect?

Yeah, it would have to be that Ohioans are dumb. It couldn't *possibly* be that George Bush is genuinely bad for this state, and Ohioans know it. :rolleyes:

Ohio has lost 250,000 jobs under Bush, most of them good paying manufacturing jobs. Ain't no prospects around the corner, either. Meanwhile, young people are fleeing this state at one of the highest rates in the nation.

And, in that setting, Bush's people come here and keep tellin' us that that outsourcing is good for the economy.

<a href='http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.outsource31mar31,0,5439638.story?coll=bal-business-headlines' target='_blank'>http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-b...iness-headlines</a>

That dog don't hunt here.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Yeah, it would have to be that Ohioans are dumb. It couldn't *possibly* be that George Bush is genuinely bad for this state, and Ohioans know it.  :rolleyes:

Ohio has lost 250,000 jobs under Bush, most of them good paying manufacturing jobs. Ain't no prospects around the corner, either. Meanwhile, young people are fleeing this state at one of the highest rates in the nation.

You don't possibly think it could be the way that Ohio operates, do you? :eek:

I mean most of the dollars go to a single, mediocre university, located in the center of the state. There is a huge "brain drain" throughout the system, as folks who are studying engineering or go to grad school, the ones who are drivers for the current economy, end up either in Cowlumbus...or out of the state.

Ohio uses its resources poorly. Very poorly. Party affiliations aside...if Ohioans are mad, blame Taft...and themselves.

Quote:And, in that setting, Bush's people come here and keep tellin' us that that outsourcing is good for the economy.

<a href='http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-b...iness-headlines' target='_blank'>http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-b...iness-headlines</a>

That dog don't hunt here.

Really? Head up to Marysville, and tell folks how bad off-shore work is. I'd really like to see the reaction.

Skipuno Wrote:I am suprised that a blatently liberal canadate is so close in the polls. Could the dumbing down by gorverment schools be taking effect?

It does concern me to see the state of the US education system, especially as it's run by folks who are predominantly on the left of the political spectrum.

"Those who can't do, teach." But if you can't teach, then what?

So when do the Republicans start taking responsibility for the mess that they've created? Isn't that your forte?

All you're doing is offering "Blame the Victim: Redux" yet another spin on the turntable of Golden Oldies.

Man, I love that broken record! :drink: Beermaid! Another round for me and all my friends here!

"It does concern me to see the state of the US education system, especially as it's run by folks who are predominantly on the left of the political spectrum.

"Those who can't do, teach." But if you can't teach, then what?"

And who's biased opinion is this, Professor? Sean's or Rush's?

As one who has taught high school, I can tell you that the leftists are in darned short supply among the ranks of the faculty.

You remember all the people who loved high school? Jocks? Cheerleaders?

Those are the people who typically come back to teach high school.

How many leftist football players you know?

And those who can't teach, coach. :roflol:

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Skipuno Wrote:I am suprised that a blatently liberal canadate is so close in the polls. Could the dumbing down by gorverment schools be taking effect?

Yeah, it would have to be that Ohioans are dumb. It couldn't *possibly* be that George Bush is genuinely bad for this state, and Ohioans know it. :rolleyes:

Ohio has lost 250,000 jobs under Bush, most of them good paying manufacturing jobs. Ain't no prospects around the corner, either. Meanwhile, young people are fleeing this state at one of the highest rates in the nation.

And, in that setting, Bush's people come here and keep tellin' us that that outsourcing is good for the economy.

<a href='http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.outsource31mar31,0,5439638.story?coll=bal-business-headlines' target='_blank'>http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-b...iness-headlines</a>

That dog don't hunt here.

From said article...

Quote:Bush told an audience in Appleton, Wis., yesterday that he understood there was concern about "jobs going overseas. ... For some people looking for work, I understand that."

Maybe we oughta outsource his job overseas and see how he feels about it.

Quote:You don't possibly think it could be the way that Ohio operates, do you?&nbsp;

Damn straight I do.

Republicans have owned this state -- lock, stock and barrel -- since 1994. They've had both houses of the General Assembly. They've had the governor's office. They've had both U.S. Senate offices. They've had the secretary of state's office. They've had the auditor's office. They've had the treasurer's office. And they've had the attorney general's office -- all since 1994 (if not before).

Damn right it's the way Ohio operates.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Quote:You don't possibly think it could be the way that Ohio operates, do you? 

Damn straight I do.

Republicans have owned this state -- lock, stock and barrel -- since 1994.

Don't overwork the situation. The Taft administration is the best place to start. Things were pretty good prior to that.

And you skipped the more interesting question, what do the folks in Marysville think about off-shore labor?

Dust off your investigative journalist hat and go see. That's an article that could get printed in a national publication.

DrTorch Wrote:And you skipped the more interesting question, what do the folks in Marysville think about off-shore labor?

Very few Ohioans live in Marysville.

GrayBeard Wrote:Landslide! Landslide! :laugh:

If it is going to be a landslide why are Bush's approval ratings so low?

Ten million new jobs? According to the <a href='http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm' target='_blank'>Bureau of Labor Statistics</a>, there are only 8.4 million unemployed people in America. What a maroon.

He really is more full of crap than Al "I took the initiative when I created the internet" Gore.

It won't be long now before the rest of America starts to pay attention and realizes what a lying, pompous gasbag Senator Kerry is.

Road Warrior Wrote:Ten million new jobs? According to the <a href='http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm' target='_blank'>Bureau of Labor Statistics</a>, there are only 8.4 million unemployed people in America. What a maroon.

On the contrary. I suspect he wants to bring in 1.6 million non-citizens...and have them vote anyway.

<a href='http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec97/dornan_10-22.html' target='_blank'>This</a> should be a big deal. A HUGE deal, even though the election was not overturned. The right to vote is critical to our country...but it's being given away fraudulently, and most folks don't know much about it.

What really steams me is that foreign nationals come to this country...in order to change it. Change your own damn country if you don't like it. Stop using the benefits of the US to destroy the US!

I'm sure that makes me sound like some sort of hyper-nationalistic isolationist. I'm not really, but the irony and utter absurdity of having people migrate to the US and then try to make it like the place they just fled from should be a wake-up kick in the head for people.

Quote:It won't be long now before the rest of America starts to pay attention and realizes what a lying, pompous gasbag Senator Kerry is.

You were saying? :wave:

Bush campaign falsely accuses Kerry of voting 350 times for tax increases. Bush’s own words mislead reporters.

March  23,  2004

FactCheck.org (Annenberg Political Fact Check)

Summary

The President misled voters and reporters in a March 20 speech when he claimed that Kerry “voted over 350 times for higher taxes on the American people

Road Warrior Wrote:Ten million new jobs? According to the <a href='http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm' target='_blank'>Bureau of Labor Statistics</a>, there are only 8.4 million unemployed people in America. What a maroon.

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First, I'm not sure you fully understand the government's definition of an unemployed person. An unemployed person is someone who is actively* seeking work and not finding it.**

It is quite easy to be jobless and not be unemployed. Examples include stay-at-home moms, students on scholarships, twentysomethings who move back in with their parents, homeless winos and (I would guess) many senior citizens.

Also, keep in mind that the economy needs to create a certain number of jobs just to keep up with population growth in this country. I'm not sure what the number is off hand, but I thought I heard Robert Reich say on the radio the other day that the number is something like 100,000 jobs a month.

Finally, look:

I know promising to create 10 million jobs in four years sounds extraordinary -- especially considering the Bush administration has managed to lose about 2 million jobs in the last three years.

But it can be done. Bill Clinton created 22.1 million jobs during his eight years in the White House.

Let me now address this, from DrTorch:

Quote:On the contrary. I suspect he wants to bring in 1.6 million non-citizens...and have them vote anyway.

I don't *quite* know what you are referring to here, but if you believe the U.S. is accepting too many immigrants, you ought to think carefully about how you vote.

George Bush is very much for immigration. It's good for business. Some sectors of the economy thrive on cheap labor. Immigratin helps keep labor cheap in our hotels, at our fast food restaurants, etc.

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* "Active" is defined further, something to the effect of whether or not you went out and looked for a job within the past few weeks. Something like that.
** This is a little different than the standard European definition. The European numbers skew a bit higher because of the way they define unemployment.

Schadenfreude Wrote:.

Let me now address this, from DrTorch:

Quote:On the contrary. I suspect he wants to bring in 1.6 million non-citizens...and have them vote anyway.

I don't *quite* know what you are referring to here,

Then you should click on the link. What do I do that makes this so hard?

As for Clinton creating jobs (no pun intended) that's a crock. They came from the technology that was developed under *gasp* Reagan.

I'm sure I'll never sway your opinion in this matter, but Clinton inherited an economy on the upswing: new products, new markets, new jobs, improved productivity. And in his 8 years, he managed still to grow government, allow for unbridled enthusiasm fueled by corporate corruption, and ultimately leave in a recession.

In fact, one of my favorite anecdotes occurred in 2000. I was discussing things w/ a civil servant colleague, who blamed Bush for the failing economy. Funny thing was, that was *before* the election. Bush hadn't even been elected, and what if Gore had won? When I pointed out that Bush wasn't the president, my colleage became strangely silent.

ABB started a long time ago, and everything since is a rationalization for the irrational hatred expressed toward him.

Quote:Bill Clinton created 22.1 million jobs during his eight years in the White House.

Wow. Just wow.

Since I like you so much Shady, I'm going to send over the 9th grade boy that cleans my pool to give you some basic economics instruction. My treat.

"I'm sure I'll never sway your opinion in this matter, but Clinton inherited an economy on the upswing: new products, new markets, new jobs, improved productivity."

Yes, I agree with you here. It looks like the economy reached its trough in March 1991.

<a href='http://www.nber.org/cycles/cyclesmain.html' target='_blank'>http://www.nber.org/cycles/cyclesmain.html</a>

Of course the normal cycle of an economic boom is six to ten years ( <a href='http://www.howstuffworks.com/recession.htm/printable' target='_blank'>http://www.howstuffworks.com/recession.htm/printable</a> ) . Clinton presided over our last one. Some of that was just good timing. I'll grant you that.

However, Clinton actually reduced the size of government, contrary to popular belief. Bush I & II have both INCREASED it. Hmmmmmm.

"This chart is fascinating. It shows that for every full year of Bush I's four years in office (89-02), federal spending as a percentage of GDP increased year-over-year, every year of Clinton's eight (93-00) it decreased, and each of the three years of Bush II's tenure (01-03) it has increased again -- and the magnitude of these moves are significant in an historical perspective."

<a href='http://carriedaway.blogs.com/carried_away/2003/10/us_government_s.html' target='_blank'>http://carriedaway.blogs.com/carried_away/...vernment_s.html</a>

And, yes, Clinton was certainly more than lax in curbing corporate corruption.

Nobody has ever said big bidness didn't like Billy!

Thank Gawd and Sunny Jaysus, however, that Dumbya was in power to give those corporate pirates exactly what they deserved:

<a href='http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/kenneth_lay.html' target='_blank'>http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/kenneth_lay.html</a>

DrTorch Wrote:I'm sure I'll never sway your opinion in this matter, but Clinton inherited an economy on the upswing: new products, new markets, new jobs, improved productivity.

No, he didn't. The economy was in the tank. The conventional wisdom on why Bush I lost is because he seemed oblivious.