What is wrong with them? They lost again last night and are 6-11, 5 1/2 games behind L.A. in the NL West. What's really shocking is that they are just 3-7 at home after they had the best home record in baseball last year.

we can't hit. We have too many holes in the lineup. Good lineups are ones where there are twho holes max. the giants, right now, have a hole at 1st base, 3rd base, SS, catcher and RF.

You're right. What's happened to Pierzynski? He's looked awful at the plate.

GDawgs88 Wrote:You're right. What's happened to Pierzynski? He's looked awful at the plate.

that's because he is awful. He's awful at the plate and behind the plate. He hasn't thrown out one runner this year, and he's hitting under the mendoza line. I don't know how this guy hit over .300.

Maybe switching league's has hurt him. I don't know...

GDawgs88 Wrote:Maybe switching league's has hurt him. I don't know...

it hurts a lot of guys, but usually not to this extent. I'm not sure if switching league's is the problem, because it's not like he swings and misses sometimes. The problem is that he swings at every pitch. he hardly ever takes a pitch.

Yeah, he did that in Minnesota, but at least there he was getting hits.

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A report obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and San Jose Mercury News indicates that the owner of Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative told federal investigators he gave steroids to nearly 30 athletes, including Barry Bonds and track stars Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery.


According to the newspapers, the document summarizes an Internal Revenue Service investigator's interview of Victor Conte last Sept. 3 during a search of the company, at which time Conte volunteered the names of the athletes.


Conte's lawyers denied the report, which reportedly lists 27 athletes -- among them Bonds, Jones, Montgomery, Kelli White and the Yankees' Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield -- to whom Conte allegedly gave steroids.


The report, however, apparently does not say if any of the athletes used the substances -- THG, testosterone cream or both -- obtained from Conte.


The story on the Chronicle's Web site, quoting sources who requested anonymity, said Conte told federal investigators that Jones and Montgomery received the performance-enhancing substances in exchange for endorsements of his nutritional supplement.


Conte's attorneys question the legality of the interview and the veracity of the IRS agent's claims. His lawyers contend the IRS report is filled with fabrications and that Conte's statements have either been falsified or were coerced, as the IRS interview was conducted under intimidating circumstances and without a tape recorder.


"The coercive nature of that interview as well as the disputed contents of what the agents claim was said in that mysteriously unrecorded statement will be the subject of pretrial motions," defense lawyers Robert Holley and Troy Ellerman said in a prepared statement.


According to the Mercury News, Conte, in the report by IRS agent Jeff Novitzky and co-signed by San Mateo County Narcotics Task Force officer Jon Columbet, is quoted as saying:



Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, brought Bonds and several other baseball players to BALCO to obtain drugs at the beginning of the 2003 season. The steroids were the allegedly giving to Bonds in exchange for his endorsement of Conte's legal supplement, ZMA -- a zinc- and magnesium-based, legal nutritional product.



Conte allegedly gave Jones steroids for free in exchange for her endorsement of ZMA. Conte stopped working with Jones in 2001.



Conte gave Montgomery steroids in 2002 just before the sprinter set the world record or the 100-meters, at 9.78 seconds, in Paris.


A lawyer for Conte told the Chronicle that the lab owner denied ever providing information to federal agents about any specific athletes receiving steroids.


Conte said in an e-mail message to The Associated Press that he couldn't comment. Jones' publicist, Lewis Kay, could not be reached for comment.


Jones' attorney, Joseph Burton, issued a statement saying the Chronicle's story was wrong.


"Victor Conte is either lying or the statement was involuntarily coerced. This is a character assassination of the worst kind," Burton said.


"Marion has never had an endorsement deal of any kind with Victor Conte or any of his businesses, and most specifically she has never received any illegal substances from Conte in exchange for her endorsement of his products."


Jones and Montgomery, both of whom testified last fall before a federal grand jury that indicted Conte and three other men, repeatedly have denied steroid use. All four indicted men have pleaded innocent.


Bonds, Giambi and Sheffield -- all of whom testified before the grand jury -- have denied using steroids. No athlete has been charged in the case.

This looks good for Bonds also...

And yes Swoosh, steroids can get you a .500 average, becuase they add muscle mass and that turns lazy fly balls into homers and broken bat "blooper" outs to the infield into bloop hits just over their head...

About Pierzenski, being his first year against all NL pitching instead of just interleague play, it's better for him to go up their swinging, he's never seen practically all the pitchers he' going to face. Thome didn't hit for average at all last year, the only reason he got 48 dingers or whatever the number was, is because he swung away, look for his average to be up this year after having last year under his belt... Pierzenski should be the same way...

jrhessey Wrote:This looks good for Bonds also...

And yes Swoosh, steroids can get you a .500 average, becuase they add muscle mass and that turns lazy fly balls into homers and broken bat "blooper" outs to the infield into bloop hits just over their head...

About Pierzenski, being his first year against all NL pitching instead of just interleague play, it's better for him to go up their swinging, he's never seen practically all the pitchers he' going to face. Thome didn't hit for average at all last year, the only reason he got 48 dingers or whatever the number was, is because he swung away, look for his average to be up this year after having last year under his belt... Pierzenski should be the same way...

actually no, steroids will not get you a .500 average. It's concentration and a great swing. Bonds has both.

and when he muscles one over the infielders head for a hit or has a homerum that barely clears the fence... Steroids didn't do absolutley anything??

I am not denying that Bonds has a great swing or a great eye. He has a tremendous eye, to wait on the pitch he wants, and hit it is incredible...

As far as steroids affecting average, why there are some balls that can be muscled out of the park maybe with a little extra juice, what about the ones that would have dropped in for base hits but are muscled into an outfielders glove? Hitting for average is about timing, hand-eye coordination, and finding the right place to direct. Steroids have nothing to do with that.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:As far as steroids affecting average, why there are some balls that can be muscled out of the park maybe with a little extra juice, what about the ones that would have dropped in for base hits but are muscled into an outfielders glove? Hitting for average is about timing, hand-eye coordination, and finding the right place to direct. Steroids have nothing to do with that.

why can't you be this sane all of the time?