And then the pitching may be great. We'll have to wait and see.

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:And then the pitching may be great. We'll have to wait and see.

what pitching?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:And then the pitching may be great.  We'll have to wait and see.

what pitching?

You are indeed a cleaver one...This pitching that has us 12 games over .500...

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:And then the pitching may be great.  We'll have to wait and see.

what pitching?

You are indeed a cleaver one...This pitching that has us 12 games over .500...

so you mean the pitching with the ERA that is nearly last in the NL? are we talking about the same pitching?

the reds are 5th in RS, and 13th in ERA. Would you care to enlighten me on how they've won so many games? I know this might come as a ludacris idea, but maybe it's because of their hitting.

The REds only good starters are Wilson and Acevedo. The rest of the bullpen beside Jones and Reidling is pretty bad too. I have no idea how they are in first place.

catfanjw21 Wrote:The REds only good starters are Wilson and Acevedo. The rest of the bullpen beside Jones and Reidling is pretty bad too. I have no idea how they are in first place.

acevedo is just ok. i wouldn't call him good.

Acevedo is a good pitcher dont be hatin' on the Red's foreign pitcher.

catfanjw21 Wrote:I have no idea how they are in first place.

Its called finding a way to win...No matter how ugly...They win

i don't think anyone is going to argue with you that the Reds pitching is not "Great." But at the same time I also don't think that you can argue the fact that the starting pitching has more than held its own since spring training - not walking a lot of guys, lasting into the 6th and 7th innings, and generally keeping the score close (whether the Reds is winning or losing when they hand it over to the bullpen). And sure their hitting has helped win many of the games, but with this team, that's pretty much what we hope would happen - hope that the pitchers keep us close enough so that our hitters can come up with the big hits. That has worked quite well so far this season. While I agree that hitting can go into a slump at some point, but I would argue that so far it hasn't really been just one or two single player carrying the team. It's kind of been a group effort, a different "hero" each day. Casey is hitting great, no doubt, but Griffey and Dunn has hit some, even Jimenez and Castro have had they shares of key hits. Finally, factoring in the role players on the bench doing their job more often than not, and an improved defense, altogether is how the Reds are in first place right now. You can't keep pointing to just one negative (pitching, as you hinted earlier) and conclude that they are not going to do well.

Well flyingswoosh I never stated the reason the Reds are winning is because of the pitching...I am merely stating that the pitching has been enough to be 12 games over .500

yipg Wrote:i don't think anyone is going to argue with you that the Reds pitching is not "Great." But at the same time I also don't think that you can argue the fact that the starting pitching has more than held its own since spring training - not walking a lot of guys, lasting into the 6th and 7th innings, and generally keeping the score close (whether the Reds is winning or losing when they hand it over to the bullpen). And sure their hitting has helped win many of the games, but with this team, that's pretty much what we hope would happen - hope that the pitchers keep us close enough so that our hitters can come up with the big hits. That has worked quite well so far this season. While I agree that hitting can go into a slump at some point, but I would argue that so far it hasn't really been just one or two single player carrying the team. It's kind of been a group effort, a different "hero" each day. Casey is hitting great, no doubt, but Griffey and Dunn has hit some, even Jimenez and Castro have had they shares of key hits. Finally, factoring in the role players on the bench doing their job more often than not, and an improved defense, altogether is how the Reds are in first place right now. You can't keep pointing to just one negative (pitching, as you hinted earlier) and conclude that they are not going to do well.

your post is pretty knowledgable (Sp?), but you don't seem to recognize that everything begins and ends with pitching. If the starters keep doing what they're doing now, the bullpen will tire out. Now we all know how hot cincinatti can get in the summer, and if the bullpen keeps the fielders out on the field for long periods of time, they will get tired also. Lastly, the hitting as a whole, like you said, is doing well right now. But they will get collectively cold, and when they do, it could get ugly.

Would've, could've, should've.....we'll have to wait and see.

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:we'll have to wait and see.

of course we will.

flyingswoosh Wrote:your post is pretty knowledgable (Sp?), but you don't seem to recognize that everything begins and ends with pitching. If the starters keep doing what they're doing now, the bullpen will tire out. Now we all know how hot cincinatti can get in the summer, and if the bullpen keeps the fielders out on the field for long periods of time, they will get tired also. Lastly, the hitting as a whole, like you said, is doing well right now. But they will get collectively cold, and when they do, it could get ugly.

yeah you are right about the starting pitching being a major key to winning and sustained success for the rest of the summer. I still think people need to give some credit to the Cincy starting pitching thus far because quite honestly they've aquitted themselves nicely. It is a big question whether they can keep up this pace, especially when they have to face all the NL Central folks the third, fourth, and fifth time around later on, but as you say we'll just have to wait and see.

As a Reds fan I am leaning towards the positives of course, and enjoying every bit of the ride right now, but I certainly would love to see management be proactive for once and go out there to acquire an arm or two. We could use a Freddy Garcia, or someone from the Expos staff, or whoever might be selling - an ace to anchor the rotation. Actually, I wouldn't mind getting two. Then Van Poppel can move back to the bullpen and strengthen it a bit. You would think that with all the young prospects they've received from the last couple years, the Reds have enough to dangle out there to trade for a proven big league player right now.

yipg Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:your post is pretty knowledgable (Sp?), but you don't seem to recognize that everything begins and ends with pitching.  If the starters keep doing what they're doing now, the bullpen will tire out.  Now we all know how hot cincinatti can get in the summer, and if the bullpen keeps the fielders out on the field for long periods of time, they will get tired also.  Lastly, the hitting as a whole, like you said, is doing well right now.  But they will get collectively cold, and when they do, it could get ugly.

yeah you are right about the starting pitching being a major key to winning and sustained success for the rest of the summer. I still think people need to give some credit to the Cincy starting pitching thus far because quite honestly they've aquitted themselves nicely. It is a big question whether they can keep up this pace, especially when they have to face all the NL Central folks the third, fourth, and fifth time around later on, but as you say we'll just have to wait and see.

As a Reds fan I am leaning towards the positives of course, and enjoying every bit of the ride right now, but I certainly would love to see management be proactive for once and go out there to acquire an arm or two. We could use a Freddy Garcia, or someone from the Expos staff, or whoever might be selling - an ace to anchor the rotation. Actually, I wouldn't mind getting two. Then Van Poppel can move back to the bullpen and strengthen it a bit. You would think that with all the young prospects they've received from the last couple years, the Reds have enough to dangle out there to trade for a proven big league player right now.

i pretty much agree with that whole post.

the rout is on!!! only the Reds are on the wrong end of it. 13-2 Oakland in the 8th. :bang: :mad: :( :cry:
man when this team lose, more often than not they don't mess around, they lose big!!!

how come nobody's talking about how the reds' bullpen blew another game last night?

the reds' bullpen has blown it AGAIN tonight! wow this bullpen can't seem to hold a game lately.

Golly, all those blown saves and still only a game out. :wave: