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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:*sigh*   I wish McCain could make it past the other GOP elephants.   He would definately get my vote.  One of the few people in either of the "big two" parties with some *** **** common sense, integrity, responsbility, and a sense of purpose.
McCain is a good, honorable man. I hope the Hastert types cause him to seriously consider joining a bi-partisan ticket with Kerry. If I recall correctly, he never said that he wouldn't join such a ticket, he merely stated that he was a loyal member of the Republican party, and planned to remain one. The Republican party needs a thorough house cleaning, and that would be a good start.
He has stated numerous times he would not run on the Kerry Ticket.
I may have missed it, but the statements I have seen were more along the lines of him stating that he wouldn't jump to the Democratic party, something many people wrongly assume would have to happen for him to join the Kerry ticket.
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Yep. You missed it.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Trying to stamp out speculation that he might consider joining Democratic Sen. John Kerry's ticket, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona insisted Sunday that he would not do so under any circumstances.

"I will not be vice president of the United States under any circumstances. I feel that I can be far more effective in helping shape policy in the future of this country as a United States senator."

<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/11/mccain.veep/' target='_blank'>Linky</a>
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John Galt Wrote:Is this a bad joke? Do you really think this doesn't equally apply to plain-old-conservatives, moderates, plain-old-liberals, and "radical-liberals," whatever the heck that means?

Um, it is, by your statement, "rhetoric" so what were you expecting in the category of "sound reasoning"; maybe that pre-eminent logician, Michael Moore?

Tell us about bras and your girlfriend; are you sure you want to set this standard?
A radical conservative is some one like Rumsfeld, Rove, Bush, Cheney, Hastert and Santorum. They are radical in their approach to governing, and radical in their rhetoric. The majority of Americans are more centrist, and the examples above are far, far Right and hence radical conservatives--the authoritarian Right.

No, the post was not a joke and yes, the nature of the beast (a politician) is that they, for the most part, play on the emotions of the American public, refuse to answer reporters' questions and oftentimes attack members of their own party--members who represent the core values of that particular party. It equally applies to most parties, especially the RNC and DNC. I found Hastert's example quite disconcerting because Hastert has been, and is continuing to be, the lap dog of the Bush Administration, oftentimes constructing debate rules in the House that favor the radical conservatives' agenda, thus failing to represent his constituency. He will not, at times, allow fellow Republicans to speak out or to initiate their own legislation that runs counter to the policies of the Bush White House, i.e. Bilirakis-R, Fla. He effectively over-rules the voices of all those on the other side of the aisle, like a good Republican autocrat.

Watch the House on C-SPAN and this is clearly evident, especially when some juicy radical conservative legislation is up for a vote.

Yes, radical liberals are guilty of the same agenda-based governing, and they oftentimes employ lazy and sloppy thinking just like all politicians do, including Ralph Nader, who is perhaps the smartest of all presidential candidates, but represents no particular party. Listening to his public speaking engagements, he continually brings up the fate of our collective children and the fate of elderly who cannot get affordable prescription drugs, thus appealing to the emotions of his audience, and failing to offer an argument.

Party affiliation gets in the way of a politician's leadership abilities, for the most part. McCain recognizes this and has done his best to remain true to core Republican values, core American values and he has always represented his constituency in Arizona--something entirely lost on folks like Hastert in the House and Kennedy in the Senate.

If politicians, or personalities on this forum, utilize sound reasoning when making a point, then it becomes an argument. Because Hastert answered the reporters' question with irrelevancies and logical fallacies, then Hastert's responses constitute rhetoric, not an argument. The reporter's question in the linked story suggests he was seeking an argument from Hastert, specifically relating to taxes, war and sacrifice. Apparently you didn't read the link.

Do you know what an argument is?

Para usted...

<a href='http://polyticks.com/home/LetLexi/fallacy.htm' target='_blank'>Logic 101!</a>

You think Moore is a pre-eminent logician? Man, are you off your rocker! I've doubted that Moore is even capable of his own research.

What standard are you claiming I'm setting or attempting to set? You were very vague.

Do you have an argument to refute my responses on this thread, or do you insist on adding non-sequitors to the topic?

The giant post about bras was a joke, apparently you didn't get it.

And, are you by any chance related to Willie Galt, the former Tennessee Volunteers' star receiver who went on to play for the Chicago Bears?
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Road Warrior Wrote:Yep. You missed it.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Trying to stamp out speculation that he might consider joining Democratic Sen. John Kerry's ticket, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona insisted Sunday that he would not do so under any circumstances.

"I will not be vice president of the United States under any circumstances. I feel that I can be far more effective in helping shape policy in the future of this country as a United States senator."

<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/11/mccain.veep/' target='_blank'>Linky</a>
Interesting article about McCain for Veep:

<a href='http://www.time.com/time/columnist/frank/article/0,9565,640494,00.html?cnn=yes' target='_blank'>http://www.time.com/time/columnist/frank/a...00.html?cnn=yes</a>
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I think this McCain-Kerry ticket is a bunch of liberal hullabaloooooo!

First of all, I think GOPpers who dislike McCain may be leaking incredibly false info to reporters. Of the reporters receiving the false info, probably half report it and it gets by their editors. The other half try and check up on the info, find out it's hullabalooo, and report on it anyway, adding Hastertian and McCainian comments to give a sense of balance.

Reporters are notorious for printing unsubstantiated leaks. Heck, I'm a reporter and if something lands on my desk, it's going to press because the hell with tracking people down (no, not really, just kidding). But most journalists are either too lazy to fact check, or too busy aborting babies at the DNC HQ to fact check.

McCain is one among the final guard of true Republicans in D.C. Bilirakis, Collins, Hagel and Wellstone are some others up there in D.C. who are still true to the party's core ideology. They act, speak and vote independently of what the White House or RNC requires.

After the GeeDub reelection, the GO Party activists will purge the House and Senate of all opposition, and the radicals will officially take over. They already have the national organization, all they need now is the House and Senate, free of Dems and real GOPpers.

McCain would never align himself with a democrat, and he'd never change parties.

In such a scenario in which he did, then it would show that McCain is a political beast much like Hastert and Hillary.

I don't think McCain is a political beast.

I think McCain follows his heart and his mind, knows what is right and wrong and acts accordingly, something GeeDub's handlers hijacked from McCain back in the 2000 primary. They hijacked that 'straight talk' and went around screaming it in the Bush camp ad infinitum to the point that most Americans think GeeDub acts on his conscience and heart (we all know he ain't got a mind!!).

What Kerry should consider for Veep is Ralph Nader--that would prevent any split his independent candidacy might cause.

More than likely Kerry will pick someone who is on no one's radar screen right now.

If Kerry does go with a Republican, I suggest he get former New Mex. gov. Gary Johnson. Free the herb, free the herb!
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The only reason McCain is mentioned for VP is because some Democratic strategist thought it would be a good idea on how to make Kerry more central. Unfortunately you cant hide the facts by having a conservative for VP. Would Bush be more liberal if he replaced Cheney with Kennedy. Its all a gimmick, the democrats are taking advantage of John McCain because he is friends with John Kerry.
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<a href='http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/05/23/lugar/index.html' target='_blank'>More criticism for the 'resident from his own party</a>
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<a href='http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/24/armey/index.html' target='_blank'>Another article</a>
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