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CBS and Fox are reporting Chalabi or people close to him were leaking secrets to the Iranians.

Quoting the Guardian:

Ahmad Chalabi, the Pentagon's one-time protege, was humiliated yesterday when US officials and Iraqi police ransacked his private office, and even burst into his bedroom in his Baghdad villa...

Until recently the Pentagon and the vice-president, Dick Cheney, had championed Dr Chalabi as a future leader, despite the fact he has virtually no support among ordinary Iraqis...

The relationship between Dr Chalabi and the White House has cooled in recent months, but it now appears that the one-time darling of Washington's neo-conservatives has suffered a spectacular fall from grace....

Dr Chalabi and the INC are also accused of being the main source of much of the now disproved intelligence fed to the CIA and other agencies about Saddam's WMD programmes.

Yeah, this guy says we're all suckers, too.

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I'll be he's voting GOP in November. . .

(psssst. . .only suckers vote for the man who's got his foot on your neck)

Lesser of two evils. Kerry is a total ****up waiting to happen.

I could elaborate on how much time Saddam had to destroy or remove WMD.
I could elaborate on how it's a win-win either way. Iraq haborered terrorists. It was a training ground for the 9/11 attackers. A functional democracy in the heart of the middle east would do wonders for the region....

However the liberals here -- like many Democrats -- have on horse blinders and refuse to think outside the box. It's been fed to them before, but it's more convienent to look the other way and keep yelling "Where's the weapons of mass destruction?"

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I could elaborate on how it's a win-win either way. Iraq haborered terrorists. It was a training ground for the 9/11 attackers.

Why don't you?

Quote:I could elaborate on how much time Saddam had to destroy or remove WMD.

Ummmmm, if he destroyed his WMD, how were they a threat to the United States or anyone else for that matter?

Quote:I could elaborate on how it's a win-win either way.

Got the courage to say that to the family of an 8 year old Iraqi girl whose family got the great pleasure of seeing what she looks like with half her head missing? I'll bet not.

Quote:Iraq haborered terrorists. It was a training ground for the 9/11 attackers.

Good God. Even the Dubya administration now admits there was nothing but the absolute thinnnest of connections between Iraq and Al-Queda. Now, the connections between our buddies in Saudi Arabia and Al-Queda run very deep. Did I mention that most of the funding for Hamas and Hezbolla comes from Saudi Arabia?

Quote:However the liberals here -- like many Democrats -- have on horse blinders and refuse to think outside the box.

And conservatives don't have on blinders? Bwahahahahahah. I dare you to point me to a single conservative commentator that has asked tough questions about our involvement in Iraq. If something is valid, it should withstand harsh scrutiny. Only those things that are not valid crumble under the glare of critical thinking.

Was Sadaam Hussein an evil person? Yep. No one disputes that. BTW, the conservative estimates are that U.S. forces have now killed about 10,000 Iraqi civilians in a year. I don't know how many Sadaam averaged killing every year but 10,000 is a conservative estimate. Other estimates are double that. Got the courage to go tell those people's families how they're better off now? I'll bet not.

But, if all we're concerned about is the lives of the citizenry of a country, why the hell haven't we invaded North Korea? Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il make Sadaam Hussein look like Mother Teresa.

Say what you want about Kerry but, unlike Dubya and Cheney, he wasn't a coward when his country called and personal cowardice is demonstrated throughout the leadership of the Republican party.

BTW, did you vote for Saxby Chambliss over Max Cleland? Well, did you know that Chambliss got out of the Vietnam War for "bad knees?" Did you also know that he is now a recreational jogger. Guess knees get better with age. :rolleyes: When the Republican party isn't full of hypocritical cowards, call me back and I might consider voting for one of them. Until then, I'll vote for the man that won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star for valor in combat over the man who went AWOL and got out early. Of course, I should give Dubya some credit. Not a single VC invaded the Gulf Coast due to his courageous actions.

Quote:Bush administration: Played for suckers, Only suckers would vote for these guys

So says the guy that was drooling over Howard Dean last year. :roflol:

So drooling over a candidate who has the balls to say what he means means you're a sucker?

Thanks for the partisan shot, Herr Doktor! But I'd love to see you draw that argument out a bit more.

MAKO Wrote:

Quote:I could elaborate on how much time Saddam had to destroy or remove WMD.

Ummmmm, if he destroyed his WMD, how were they a threat to the United States or anyone else for that matter?

Quote:I could elaborate on how it's a win-win either way.

Got the courage to say that to the family of an 8 year old Iraqi girl whose family got the great pleasure of seeing what she looks like with half her head missing? I'll bet not.

Quote:Iraq haborered terrorists. It was a training ground for the 9/11 attackers.

Good God. Even the Dubya administration now admits there was nothing but the absolute thinnnest of connections between Iraq and Al-Queda. Now, the connections between our buddies in Saudi Arabia and Al-Queda run very deep. Did I mention that most of the funding for Hamas and Hezbolla comes from Saudi Arabia?

Quote:However the liberals here -- like many Democrats -- have on horse blinders and refuse to think outside the box.

And conservatives don't have on blinders? Bwahahahahahah. I dare you to point me to a single conservative commentator that has asked tough questions about our involvement in Iraq. If something is valid, it should withstand harsh scrutiny. Only those things that are not valid crumble under the glare of critical thinking.

Was Sadaam Hussein an evil person? Yep. No one disputes that. BTW, the conservative estimates are that U.S. forces have now killed about 10,000 Iraqi civilians in a year. I don't know how many Sadaam averaged killing every year but 10,000 is a conservative estimate. Other estimates are double that. Got the courage to go tell those people's families how they're better off now? I'll bet not.

But, if all we're concerned about is the lives of the citizenry of a country, why the hell haven't we invaded North Korea? Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il make Sadaam Hussein look like Mother Teresa.

Say what you want about Kerry but, unlike Dubya and Cheney, he wasn't a coward when his country called and personal cowardice is demonstrated throughout the leadership of the Republican party.

BTW, did you vote for Saxby Chambliss over Max Cleland? Well, did you know that Chambliss got out of the Vietnam War for "bad knees?" Did you also know that he is now a recreational jogger. Guess knees get better with age. :rolleyes: When the Republican party isn't full of hypocritical cowards, call me back and I might consider voting for one of them. Until then, I'll vote for the man that won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star for valor in combat over the man who went AWOL and got out early. Of course, I should give Dubya some credit. Not a single VC invaded the Gulf Coast due to his courageous actions.

1) He covered his tracks b/c he had numerous months between the US saying "we're coming to get you" and us actually doing something.

2) As with all conflicts, sacrifices are made. It's not a perfect world. I bet after Iraq is a democracy, people like her will enjoy a much better quality of living and have freedom.

3) Iraq has been a training ground from terrorists and has even hired suicide bombers and payed them to go blow themselves up somewhere in Israel.

4) Lindsey Graham (R-SC). Enough said.

5) (Invading N Korea) Because China, though with inferior technology, has a hell of a lot of people.

6) As a whole, the Republican party has more people that actually care about their country and don't play the game of Politics. I am in no way saying it's clean. I'm a Libertarian. I, in general, dislike both parties. However, the Republican party has a few really good people in it (Lindsey Graham, John McCain to name a few).

7) Spare me the crap about John Kerry getting a medal for hurting himself with shratnel from hitting a rock with a mortar round. His military "career" is as tarnished as Dubya's. If you'd like a real military career -- consult John McCain's backround (crossreference #6).

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Quote:Spare me the crap about John Kerry getting a medal for hurting himself with shratnel from hitting a rock with a mortar round.

28 FEB 1969 Bay Hap River
Three PCFs were traveling up the Bay Hap River with 70 South Vietnamese Militia investigating an area where the boats were ambushed the previous night. During the patrol, the boats came under heavy fore from the shore. Kerry, serving as the Officer in Tactical Command of the mission, ordered the units to turn toward the fire and beach. As the boats approached shore, more than 20 Viet Cong troops stood up and ran. They were quickly overrun when the Marines troops reached the shore. While the Militia searched the area, PCFs 23 and 94 left to investigate another site where an Army advisor reported gunshots. Returning from the site, a B-40 rocket exploded close to PCF94, blowing out one of the windows. Kerry again ordered the units to turn into the fire and charge the ambush site. PCF 94 landed in the center of ambush and a man jumped up holding a B-40 rocket launcher and started to run. The forward M-60 gunner on PCF94 wounded him in the leg as Kerry jumped off the boat and chased him inland behind a hooch and shot him. Marines swept the area, and received fire from snipers and small arms that was suppressed with the assistance of mortars and gunfire from the swiftboats. The landing parties found vast stores of rice, ammunition and clothing. The boats were fired on one additional time as they were heading back down the river. The site of the second ambush was believed to be a major Viet Cong supply point. Kerry received the Silver Star for this operation.

Ummmm, tell me again what your Republican heroes were doing about this time? Well, Dubya was busy getting drunk, going AWOL and skipping out early. Cheney was busy getting deferrments. Saxby Chambilss was busy claimin his bad knee would only allow him to run and not serve. Rush Limbaugh was busy with an anal cyst. Trent Lott was busy being a cheerleader in college. We're not quite sure what Newt Gingrich was doing but it sure as hell wasn't in Vietnam. Bill O'Reilly went to London. Tom DeLay was busy saying he wanted to be in the military but blacks had all the good jobs. Dennis Hastert was another one who was busy with bad knees. (What is it about physical ailments that Republicans seem to have just when it's time to serve their country)?

Now, some people call these folks chickenhawks. I prefer cowards.

Oh. And here's the military citation for one Democrat. I'll let you guess who it was.

Second Lieutenant _____________ distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 21 April 1945, in the vicinity of San Terenzo, Italy. While attacking a defended ridge guarding an important road junction, Second Lieutenant __________ skillfully directed his platoon through a hail of automatic weapon and small arms fire, in a swift enveloping movement that resulted in the capture of an artillery and mortar post and brought his men to within 40 yards of the hostile force. Emplaced in bunkers and rock formations, the enemy halted the advance with crossfire from three machine guns. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Second Lieutenant __________ crawled up the treacherous slope to within five yards of the nearest machine gun and hurled two grenades, destroying the emplacement. Before the enemy could retaliate, he stood up and neutralized a second machine gun nest. Although wounded by a sniper’s bullet, he continued to engage other hostile positions at close range until an exploding grenade shattered his right arm. Despite the intense pain, he refused evacuation and continued to direct his platoon until enemy resistance was broken and his men were again deployed in defensive positions. In the attack, 25 enemy soldiers were killed and eight others captured. By his gallant, aggressive tactics and by his indomitable leadership, Second Lieutenant __________ enabled his platoon to advance through formidable resistance, and was instrumental in the capture of the ridge. Second Lieutenant __________'s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the United States Army.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Lesser of two evils. Kerry is a total ****up waiting to happen.

I could elaborate on how much time Saddam had to destroy or remove WMD.
I could elaborate on how it's a win-win either way. Iraq haborered terrorists. It was a training ground for the 9/11 attackers. A functional democracy in the heart of the middle east would do wonders for the region....

However the liberals here -- like many Democrats -- have on horse blinders and refuse to think outside the box. It's been fed to them before, but it's more convienent to look the other way and keep yelling "Where's the weapons of mass destruction?"

Questions:

Who does the feeding to Democrats?

Certainly the GOPpers over here get fed too, don't they?

Do those who feed the Dems feed the GOPpers too?

Why would Saddam destory his WMDs?

If he did this as you suggest, then that would make Saddam rather unthreatening, right?

Isn't the GOP platform that Israel is a functioning democracy in the mideast?

What makes democracy so great?

If Iraq were all the sudden *poof* a democracy, then wouldn't there be a bunch of scum suckin' libruls over there?

Would Kerry ****up as much as Bush has?

Should the U.S. military be used for nation building?

Do they teach West Point cadets "Democratizing 101"?

What terrorists did the Iraqis harbor?

Didn't Osama train the 9/11 hijackers?

Didn't Saddam hate religious fanatics like Khomeini and Osama?

Didn't Saddam refuse asylum to Osama in the 1980s?

Didn't Saddam attack Khomeini's Iran, and wage war there for 8 years?

Wasn't the Bush voiced justification for war being the WMDs threatening America?

Do you remember the "mushroom-cloud" speech by Bush?

Do you read a lot of RebelKev's posts?

MAKO Wrote:Trent Lott was busy being a cheerleader in college.

Trent Lott was in Law School during the first few years of the Vietnam War.

I'm familiar with his college experience because he did his undergraduate, a B.S., and J.D. at the University of Mississippi (aka Ole Miss).

In 1962 when Bobby Kennedy struck a deal (ask me about the deal) with Miss. Gov. Ross Barnett to allow James Meredith to enroll, Trent Lott was busy with his fraternity brothers. They were hiding a copious amount of Otts, 12-gauges, 9mm's, and Colts in the Sigma Nu house, located just a stone's throw from Vaught-Hemingway Stadium (in '62 it was just Hemingway Stadium because Vaught was the current coach who led UM to a 9-1-1 season that year and the school's last outright SEC championship in football).

Lott is from Pascagoula and during the July-October 1962 Meredith crisis at Ole Miss, the Pascagoula sheriff James Lee Grimsley, called Lott's father to find out where on campus the younger Lott could be found. After Grimsley and various other Miss. sheriffs and their deputies bussed themselves to Ole Miss to guard against integration of the state's flagship institution, Lott and several Sigma Nu fraternity brothers met the sheriffs near the confederate cemetery to take a cache of weapons from their bus to the fraternity house.

Grimsley's instructions to the younger Lott were, reportedly, to hide the weapons until the war began, and then distribute the firearms to the student population so they could join the fight for their freedom. Ole Miss in 1962 was 100% white.

Before the riots began in October, and while Grimsley's bus-load of sheriffs and other state law enforcers set up a perimeter in Oxford and on the campus of Ole Miss, the FBI, dispatched from Memphis, used 35 agents and raided the Sigma Nu house and confiscated over 100 weapons, mostly firearms. Specifically, the majority of weapons were sawwed-off 12-gauge shotguns, recently sawwed.

Hunting use were the reasons cited to the FBI and since they had bigger fish to fry, namely Grimsley and a band of armed Miss. law enforcers, they let the Sigma Nu's and Lott off with a warning.

Lott got his J.D. in 1967 while working on campus for the Alumni Assoc. After he passed the MS Bar exam in 1968, he opened a private firm in Oxford, MS that fell flat on its face. He then took a position with the late Billy Colmer, former Democratic congressman from Miss. coastal district.

Colmer groomed him for the House, introduced him to all the golfers and taught him tactics on initiating legislation that would negate the Brown v. Board case. All of Colmer's legislation failed, yet it all concealed the true intent of the bills.

Right about that time public schools in Miss. were forced to integrate (15 years after the S.C. ruling), and Lott took as his mission to resist forced integration with many other Mississippians.

In 1970, Lott used his family's money, political influence and his position in the Masons, in founding Chamberlain-Hunt Academy in Port Gibson, Miss. and Jackson Preparatory School, which allowed the white population to go to school free of "heathen" races. Lott was joined by several Sigma Nu fraternity brothers in this endeavor, many of whom have their names displayed at these institutions.

Before running for the House in 1972, he surprised Colmer by switching to the GOP. Before ol' Billy died in 1980, he too had become an ardent Republican after seeing the rise of the new Democratic Party in the South when Jimmy Carter took the presidency in the 1976 election.

Lott basically swept up Colmer's constituency that went from voting almost 100% Democrat in 1965 to voting 88% Republican by 1975--all elections, state and national.

When the Senate is not in session Trent Lott lives in Pascagoula, Miss. just down the road from James Lee Grimsley's family.

On football and baseball weekends, Lott can be seen with Congressman Roger Wicker (R, MS) in Oxford, Miss. drinking a beer and shaking hands with idolators.

MAKO Wrote:Rush Limbaugh was busy with an anal cyst.

To be fair, that would keep me busy, too.

MAKO Wrote:Oh. And here's the military citation for one Democrat. I'll let you guess who it was.

Daniel Inouye, the Senator from Hawaii.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:1) He covered his tracks b/c he had numerous months between the US saying "we're coming to get you" and us actually doing something.

That's one theory. And convenient, too.

Quote:2) As with all conflicts, sacrifices are made.  It's not a perfect world. &nbsp; I bet after Iraq is a democracy, people like her will enjoy a much better quality of living and have freedom.

You sure democracy is coming to Iraq?

Quote:3) Iraq has been a training ground from terrorists and has even hired suicide bombers and payed them to go blow themselves up somewhere in Israel.

What does that have to do with the United States?

Since when is it our job to defend Israel?

And how is defending Israel going to reduce terrorism, exactly?

Quote:6) As a whole, the Republican party has more people that actually care about their country and don't play the game of Politics. 

Here is the Republican game of politics:

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In a TV ad, Republicans flashed photos of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and claimed this man, Max Cleland, "lacked the courage to lead." The ads were for a man who jogs every day -- yet claimed his knees were so bad 30 years ago, he couldn't possibly serve his country

Only the fact that you own this board is keeping me from telling you what I really think.

I'll say this: To suggest that Democrats don't care about the United States -- that we don't love it dearly -- is possibly the most repulsive thing I've ever read on this board.

I love my country.

Quote:7) Spare me the crap about John Kerry getting a medal for hurting himself with shratnel from hitting a rock with a mortar round. &nbsp; His military "career" is as tarnished as Dubya's. &nbsp; If you'd like a real military career -- consult John McCain's backround (crossreference #6).

Bush used his rich daddy's connections to get a cushy National Guard job stateside. He then went AWOL from that cushy job. For all we know he was snorting cocaine off hookers chests or running people over while drunk out of his mind.

Kerry volunteered to lead men into deadly firefights and incurrring three war wounds while doing so.

If you think that's comparable, then I'm not sure anyone can convince you of anything.

Schadenfreude Wrote:In a TV ad, Republicans flashed photos of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and claimed this man, Max Cleland, "lacked the courage to lead." The ads were for a man who jogs every day -- yet claimed his knees were so bad 30 years ago, he couldn't possibly serve his country

I'll bet you were all over it when the NAACP ran, in conjunction with the DNC, those ads suggesting George Bush was complicit in the death of James Byrd, and when Julian Bond compared the Republicans to the Taliban.

Quote:Only the fact that you own this board is keeping me from telling you what I really think.

Yeah, you're a real shrinking violet. Only the fact that a guy like him runs this board makes it possible for a guy like you to have the free forum that he gives you.

Quote:I'll say this: To suggest that Democrats don't care about the United States -- that we don't love it dearly -- is possibly the most repulsive thing I've ever read on this board.

Then you have conveniently forgotten much of what you, and others, post here regularly. Uh, tell us again about how the President was snifffing cocaine off hookers' chests, and pretend like you know it's true. Oh yeah, for all we know, John Kerry had unnatural relations with a whole bunch of water buffalo in Vietnam, and left them horribly unsatisfied. Seems they hadn't inherited enough money to make it worth John's effort.

John Galt Wrote:

Quote:I'll say this: To suggest that Democrats don't care about the United States -- that we don't love it dearly -- is possibly the most repulsive thing I've ever read on this board.

Then you have conveniently forgotten much of what you, and others, post here regularly. Uh, tell us again about how the President was snifffing cocaine off hookers' chests, and pretend like you know it's true. Oh yeah, for all we know, John Kerry had unnatural relations with a whole bunch of water buffalo in Vietnam, and left them horribly unsatisfied. Seems they hadn't inherited enough money to make it worth John's effort.

I have no idea what George Bush was doing when he was supposed to be keeping Texas safe from the Viet Cong.

Do you?

And, as for that NAACP commercial (which I'm not familiar with): The point I was responding to was that Democrats are somehow more political.

Was the NAACP commercial all but a lie? Maybe. Bush has been spending millions of dollars each week all-but-lying about Kerry's record.

But in the world of all-but-lies that is politics in the 21st century, it takes a special kind of gall for someone who never served in the armed forces to claim a guy who lost three legs to war lacks courage.

That's my view. You may not share it. Perhaps you see Bush's bold effort to elude his commanding officers was courageous. I don't.

I say he is a chicken hawk.

The Repugnican rationalizations and misrepresentations in this thread are probably some of the dumbest, most ignorant drivel ever to grace these boards (excluding posts by Graybead or Rebelkev, of course.) :rolleyes:

Oddball Wrote:The Repugnican rationalizations and misrepresentations in this thread are probably some of the dumbest, most ignorant drivel ever to grace these boards (excluding posts by Graybead or Rebelkev, of course.)&nbsp; :rolleyes:

Yeah, like we can really count on modern day "Democrats" to lay the real truth on us. Oh, my bad, you're talking only about this board. Sorry, Your Worship. Guess I was too busy pouring gasoline on a new batch of crosses to pay much attention. :laugh: