Oddball Wrote:Um, no...it is a shot at the idiocy of the average Bush "supporter", but thanks for playing. :wave:

Well if the intent of the cartoonist was only to take a shot bush he didnt completly hit his mark by metioning Kerry. And Dan I think it was insightful for me to point that out. :laugh: Kerry should be able to hit home runs with some of this stuff, instead he comes off as dull and boring. :snore:

MaumeeRocket Wrote:Why was this not brought up during the last election, oh yeah the dem canidate was a photographer during the war. It only becomes important when the dems can trot out someone who has a war record.

I would submit it is important because *Bush* is attacking *Kerry's* record.

(I mean, how stupid is that?)

Quote: Still I state, how does this prove he will be a good President. It doesent, if everyone that got shot in Vietnam makes a good President, lets have a run off to see who is the smartest of all of them.

A stupid contest?

Bush wouldn't be the sharpest tool in an empty shed.

Skipuno Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Um, no...it is a shot at the idiocy of the average Bush "supporter", but thanks for playing.  :wave:

Well if the intent of the cartoonist was only to take a shot bush he didnt completly hit his mark by metioning Kerry. And Dan I think it was insightful for me to point that out. :laugh: Kerry should be able to hit home runs with some of this stuff, instead he comes off as dull and boring. :snore:

Kerry will begin to be heard whenever there is a break in the scandals coming out of the current, corrupt administration. Well, IF there is ever a break. With the Plame incident and Bush's abortion still on deck, timing will be crucial for Kerry to find his window of opportunity to define himself.

Interesting, Oddball. I didn't know about the abortion rumor. It goes back to 2000:

<a href='http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:c9EA58FOmoMJ:www.investigate911.com/bushabortion.htm+bush+abortion+flynt&hl=en' target='_blank'>http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:c9EA5...ion+flynt&hl=en</a>

And, as usual, Drudge put a Bush-friendly spin on it:

<a href='http://www.drudgereport.com/flynt.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.drudgereport.com/flynt.htm</a>

(My guess is that the "censoring" was at the insistence of CNN's lawyers.)

I found these stories from February:

<a href='http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/165111p-144622c.html' target='_blank'>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/sto...1p-144622c.html</a>

<a href='http://www.rense.com/general49/paid.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.rense.com/general49/paid.htm</a>

This could be interesting.

I first heard the abortion story from a Republican campaign worker when I was living in Texas prior to his being appointed president. She couldn't believe that the Dems hadn't ever used it against him.

Skipuno Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Um, no...it is a shot at the idiocy of the average Bush "supporter", but thanks for playing.&nbsp; :wave:

Well if the intent of the cartoonist was only to take a shot bush he didnt completly hit his mark by metioning Kerry. And Dan I think it was insightful for me to point that out. :laugh: Kerry should be able to hit home runs with some of this stuff, instead he comes off as dull and boring. :snore:

I think it's insightful of me to point out that if Kerry did attack Bush in the manner that Bush's people and ads have attacked Kerry, then the majority of GOPpers over here would be all up-in-arms, screaming and hollering, typing in all caps--whatever.

They'd be screaming-"that's unfair, Kerry's blasting Bush, he must hate children, Kerry has no right to attack the President, the only reason Kerry is running for Prez is because he HATES Bush, everybody knows only Republicans have the right to attack the oppositions....etc, etc."

You did, however, point out something very key and instrumental in all national elections throughout our history, especially in the "media" age of the latter portion of the 20th century (and today). Candidates must be entertaining!

Andy Jackson threw outrageous parties, Tyler came up with catchy jingos and hiakus, various Tammany Hall politicians in New York outright bribed supporters for their vote. Most of all, the entertainment in a national election has always centered around how low and mean you can get when characterizing the other guy (or gal). Throughout our nation's history, White House races have been the nastiest, and in the 19th century these were far worse than what we've seen in the past 25 years or so.

Can't blame the candidates, though. Nastiness is exactly what entertains the electorate!

ttt

Schadenfreude Wrote:Bush used his rich daddy's connections to get a cushy National Guard job stateside. He then went AWOL from that cushy job. For all we know he was snorting cocaine off hookers chests or running people over while drunk out of his mind.

You see, this is what I DESPISE about people that never served a DAY defending their country. "Cushy" job? Tell that to my neighbors two sons who are, or were, part of the 113th MP Co from Brandon, Ms. who were deployed to Desert Storm, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and many other countries. The Nat'l Guard isn't a "cushy" damn job and they have been in every conflict this nation has had to endure. :mad:

Tell me, oh wise one, how did Bush know that his unit wouldn't be deployed?

You see, this is what *I* DESPISE about idiots using the King's English to hamhand their way through their "point."

The Guard was a protected cadre of soldiers in Vietnam. Apparently everyone knows that except you, Kev. :wave:

History
The National Guard is the development of the American militia during and before the revolutionary struggle against Britain. Following independence, the Constitution empowered Congress to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia." But the appointment of officers and training of the militia was given to the states to regulate.

Throughout the 19th century the regular Army was small, and so the militia provided the majority of the troops during the Mexican War, the start of the American Civil War, and the Spanish-American War. In 1903 the militia was renamed the National Guard and organised as a Reserve force for the Army. In World War I, the National Guard made up 40% of the U.S. combat divisions in France. In World War II the National Guard made up nineteen divisions. 140,000 Guardsmen were mobilized for Korea and over 63,000 for Operation Desert Storm. They have also participated in the US peacekeeping forces in Somalia, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bosnia, and Kosovo as well as for natural disasters, strikes, riots and security for the Olympics when they have been in the states.

(pssst. . . notice how they don't say anything about service in Vietnam?)

National Guard: 6,140 Served; 101 Died

<a href='http://www.veteranshour.com/vietnam_war_statistics.htm' target='_blank'>Another Stat Breakdown of the Vietnam War I Got Off Freeper</a>

RebelKev Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:Bush used his rich daddy's connections to get a cushy National Guard job stateside. He then went AWOL from that cushy job. For all we know he was snorting cocaine off hookers chests or running people over while drunk out of his mind.

You see, this is what I DESPISE about people that never served a DAY defending their country. "Cushy" job? Tell that to my neighbors two sons who are, or were, part of the 113th MP Co from Brandon, Ms. who were deployed to Desert Storm, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and many other countries. The Nat'l Guard isn't a "cushy" damn job and they have been in every conflict this nation has had to endure. :mad:

Tell me, oh wise one, how did Bush know that his unit wouldn't be deployed?

You have absolutely no sense of history. That does explain how you manage to hold on to so many of your views despite logic, reason and evidence to the contrary, however.