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I know that some of you Kerry supporters are wondering just who this guy is that you are going to vote for. Here is an article that may help to confuse you even more.

<a href='http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/381249|top|08-09-2004::17:46|reuters.html' target='_blank'>Kerry: Still Would Have Approved Force for Iraq</a>

Let's examine some parts of this...

Quote:Taking up a challenge from President Bush, whom he will face in the Nov. 2 election, the Massachusetts senator said: "I'll answer it directly. Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it is the right authority for a president to have but I would have used that authority effectively."


What does effectively mean? Give me something, anything. How about a plan that would be more effective. I find it amazing that even now, with hindsight, this guy can't even give how he would do it more effectively. I guess we should take him on his word that he just would!


Quote:Kerry challenged Bush to answer some questions of his own -- why he rushed to war without a plan for the peace, why he used faulty intelligence, why he misled Americans about how he would go to war and why he had not brought other countries to the table.


The way it looks to me, is that the plan for peace is slowly taking shape. Now for the "faulty intelligence". Is this the same intelligence that Mr. Kerry based his letters to President Clinton on why we needed to act to stop Saddam. Is this the same intelligence that he was supposed to be receiving briefings on. Did he not see the faults of this intelligence before?

Now, how did President Bush mislead Americans on how we would go to war, and enough with the misnomer of no other countries coming to the table. Nothing more than a broken record with no plans of his own.
08-10-2004 09:10 AM
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I think there are a lot of criticisms of the Bush administration that can be made on two tracks:

1) Their conduct from the Spring of '02 to the Spring of '03 actually made it MORE for some nations to go along with us. Bush went to the UN in September of '02. But for six-nine months prior to that, he had already been using the term "regime change" in Iraq, even before we had really wrapped up Afghanistan. It played into their fears. Let me explain that...when Americans saw how effective our military was in Afghanistan (when all the commentaters were warning that we would get in a quagmire there--"Graveyard for British, Russians, etc, blah") we thought...."damn, we rule. Don't F*** with Uncle Sam"...and rightfully so. But when the rest of the world saw that they said..."Whoa, America is twice as powerful military as ten years ago, and there's nobody that can check them militarily...what happens when they realize this, will they just start doing this as a first option instead of a last resort? And is that the kind of world we want to live in?"

I'm not saying that the international view is right or wrong, just that its natural for them to worry about that. And by us immediately nameing a hit-list (axis of evil) and talking about our plans to whack #1 on that list within a year, it played right into that fear. By September we had already made up our mind, it was obvious to everyone. Then Bush goes to the UN and calls for them to act to disarm or Iraq "or else"...At that point it looked to the rest of the world like we were just looking for a rubber stamp.

There's a process for these things, and we didn't really follow it. We just sort of mimed it, and not very convincingly. Preponderance of power is an alienating thing. Its as much of an obstacle for us as a benefit, so we need to be able to tip-toe around it, we have to walk everyone through the process until they get to the point where they see it our way. It takes a lot more time than just brow-beating them and making fun of them. But looking at Iraq right now, you see why it is necessary.

2) The second track of criticism is the post-war planning...How could it be that we got to Baghdad and literally did not KNOW what we were going to do with the Iraqi army...why were we making these decisions on the fly...you know, its not like we didn't have a year to plan for this thing, and its not like we couldn't anticipate that the post-war period would be 100 times harder than the war itself. The naivete shown was staggering...the civilians in the Pentagon and in the VP's office completely failed to account for how 2-3% of the population could ruin the whole program just by engaging in persistant and creative violence....I mean it is such a low-threshold, its much easier to destroy a country than build it. We knew our enemies would have that on our side. And yet the planning was just atrocious. Almost every single assumption has turned out not only to be obscenely wrong, but based more on wishful thinking than on cold, hard, analysis.

But Kerry shouldn't make the mistake of hilighting the differences between him and Bush by rehashing the Iraq debate and talking about what his plan would have been. We aren't electing Kerry to be President in 2002, we're electing him to be President in 2005. He should hilight the differences in strategy and approach by talking about the NEXT challenge. We desperately need a debate on our Iran policy in this country. Getting Iran right is more important than getting Iraq right. If we get Iraq right, but Iran develops a nuclear weapon, Iraq won't have mattered at all. A nuclear Iran completely re-orders and destabilizes the entire region and represents a much bigger threat than what is going on in Iraq right now. And yet nobody is talking about it. Kerry can and should step in to fill that void, and he should talk tough on it and use powerful language about how unacceptable it is and how much of a threat it is. That will convince Americans he understands the world after 9/11.
08-10-2004 10:03 AM
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