Amerikenny, he is saying that it "would be possible" for someone to be a good president IF this amendment was changed.

Reading comprehension 101, bud.

OK...this is getting ridiculous. This law is practical and reverent of our law and country.

Quote:What if a person is born here, grows up in Iranian public schools, then comes back here to go to college?

If someone is born here to two American citizens and then goes abroad and surrenders his/her citizenship, later comes back reclaims their citizenship they probably wouldn't have a shot at becoming president because that person would be viewed as a defector. Not only that but his status as immigrant is reinstated. Think of it this way: you get a job, you reap the benefits and advance in your position, you get seniority, then you quit, then you decide to come back after an extended time, you better believe you will start at the bottom of that ladder. And we did have Presidents who did study at foreign universities who did retain their citizenship.

Quote:What if Barbara Bush Sr. was in Mexico and running towards the Texas border while she was having contractions, and gave birth to George W. Bush 5 feet away from the U.S. border? That same person that was born on the wrong side of the border still became the U.S. President, didn't he?

I had to laugh over this scenario. :laugh: First I believe that a woman having contractions would not be running. If that child was born to two (or one if she's single) US citizens outside of the border that child is a US citizen by default, but if the family decides to stay in that other country as an immigrant, then that child would be a natural born citizen of it, given that their law is similar to ours.

Quote:It's almost stupid to even consider where he was born. How can a person help where they were born afterall?

They can't help where theyre born, its just the natural order of things. When an immigrant comes to this country he/she is expected to reform their lives to becoming American. Its not something that happens overnight; it comes with time, growth, experiences, education, social circles, and yes those fortunate by birth. Immigrants should be thankful that they can still get into this country and we make things relatively easy for them to become a citizen. Consider other countries. Denmark for example, where to become a citizen one must be proficient in the Danish language and Danish history before they are even considered for citizenship. Some others want to know how much you have in your bank account. We just require minimal paperwork and the desire to become an American.

I still disagree.

I was born in another country, but have been going to American schools since I started going to school. I don't know anything about the politics and the history of my home country, but I know just about everything the average American would know about America. I know American history as well as any other typical American my age. Same goes for politics, sports, entertainment, etc... But do I know the same amount of the country of my birth? Nope.

Guess what, if I were to run for office of the Presidency, I'd feel as capable as any other American-born person would.

That's why I think it should be okay for Arnold. He is a great American, and a great leader. Besides his accent, he seems like he has nothing but American in him. Now that's what counts.

Why is it that when a prominant republican is not eligible for President they want to change the constitution. Back when Reagan was in his 2nd term the same thing happened, everyone wanted to eliminate the two term limit ammendment(by the way a republican ammendment in repsonse to FDR's 3 terms). Now they want to elminate the American born requirement to allow Arnold the chance to run.

Give me a fu**en break!

Every time a republican pass gas they want to ammend the Consitiution. Flag burning, school prayer, term limits, American Born President......oh yea and gay marriage. These republican are making a mockery of the Constitution.

You can not change the consistution to suit you whims.

Why not concetrate on the real problems of the world and our country....stop deflecting the issues.

And one last thing before I get down from my soap box....the bowl system sucks!!!

AmeriKenny, your opinion is valued and your beliefs are yours to have. Its all part of being American. And your disagreement is allowed, its all Constitutionally supported. We are blessed with the freedom of speech, religion, and our Bill of Rights. Changing around certain amendments can trigger a domino effect essentially rewriting and amending many parts of our Constitution. Our Constitution may not be perfect, but its better than any other established law on this earth.

BobL Wrote:Why is it that when a prominant republican is not eligible for President they want to change the constitution. Back when Reagan was in his 2nd term the same thing happened, everyone wanted to eliminate the two term limit ammendment(by the way a republican ammendment in repsonse to FDR's 3 terms). Now they want to elminate the American born

Bill Clinton comes to mind. Damn those Republicans for saying he should be able to run again. :rolleyes:

BobL Wrote:Why is it that when a prominant republican is not eligible for President they want to change the constitution. Back when Reagan was in his 2nd term the same thing happened, everyone wanted to eliminate the two term limit ammendment(by the way a republican ammendment in repsonse to FDR's 3 terms). Now they want to elminate the American born requirement to allow Arnold the chance to run.

Give me a fu**en break!

Every time a republican pass gas they want to ammend the Consitiution. Flag burning, school prayer, term limits, American Born President......oh yea and gay marriage. These republican are making a mockery of the Constitution.

You can not change the consistution to suit you whims.

Why not concetrate on the real problems of the world and our country....stop deflecting the issues.

And one last thing before I get down from my soap box....the bowl system sucks!!!

So if a man was born in Bethlehem (say Jesus), and he planned on running for U.S. office, would you not make the Constitutional exception for him?

I know it's a silly and extravagant example, but it's all about the person that's running. I disagree with the extension of the 2 terms. But the birth of country is a stupid thing in the constitution. I think a poster earlier in this thread already pointed out that that amendment was originally made because of the British occupancy thing. Now, changing that amendment wouldn't hurt a THING. You mentioned term limits, school prayer, gay marriage, and others. Those are totally different. Some of those issues can cause societal problems. But how in the heck could changing the certain part of the constitution so that it allows ANY American to run hurt the nation?

This isn't term limits. This is where a person was born.......which has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on his ability to be a President.

This is one change that the constitution can undergo, that wouldn't hurt a soul. Heck, what if it was Jesus? :D

Amerikenny,

Are you kidding me?

"So if a man was born in Bethlehem (say Jesus), and he planned on running for U.S. office, would you not make the Constitutional exception for him?"

{You can stop the insults right now}

Okay, maybe I shouldn't have used the Jesus example, especially since this thread is about Arnold and Arnold isn't anywhere close to being Christlike (although I wish he was) :(

Don't worry, even if the constitution is changed, which I seriously doubt. Arnold wouldn't win the Republican nomination, unless his opponent just plain sucks. :snore: He's probably tooooooo unChristlike for most conservatives.

moloch_322 Wrote:AmeriKenny, your opinion is valued and your beliefs are yours to have.  Its all part of being American.  And your disagreement is allowed, its all Constitutionally supported.  We are blessed with the freedom of speech, religion, and our Bill of Rights.  Changing around certain amendments can trigger a domino effect essentially rewriting and amending many parts of our Constitution.  Our Constitution may not be perfect, but its better than any other established law on this earth.

I'll agree. Good post, and thanks for your respect and patriotism.