By the way, the Democrats pulled that redistricting here in Georgia about 3 years ago.

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RebelKev Wrote:I still contend that if you guys on the left want to win another election, you need to stop bitching about right-wing conspiracies and realize that you have drifted so far left that the line between you and a flatout Socialist is a bit more dim.

What is going on here is that your party has manufactured the idea that the Democratic Party is extreme left. It has done so by distorting the truth on social issues.

That was an important achievement -- as cruicial to recent Republican victories as anything else.

My state is home to enormous numbers of Democrats -- and Democratic elected officials -- who support the right to bear arms, who believe marriage is between one man and one woman and who are prolife.

That's reality. But Republicans continue to falsely claim an ideological Democratic consistency on these issues. Such consistency doesn't exist -- but Republicans will continue to distort the the truth on these issues because it wins them elections.

Schad, it didn't help your image by portraying a bunch of far-left wing radicals from Hollywood as some of your staunchest supporters and trying to tell the American people that they were mainstream. To many people, Michael Moore is the epitome of the Democratic party....that wasn't made up by the Republicans.

Schadenfreude Wrote:What is going on here is that your party has manufactured the idea that the Democratic Party is extreme left. It has done so by distorting the truth on social issues.

That was an important achievement -- as cruicial to recent Republican victories as anything else.

and with this comment, we return to the reality of the dimocrats (and your) theory of "easily mislead rubes and racists" wherever they don't vote for democrats. those who support republican views are simpletons, incapable of discerning a larger truth.

so predictable; so repetitive.

give it a rest, pookie.

p.s. happy thanksgiving to one and all. you too schad.

RebelKev Wrote:To many people, Michael Moore is the epitome of the Democratic party....that wasn't made up by the Republicans.

Yes it was.

Michael Moore no more epitomizes the Democratic Party than Tom Coburn epitomizes the Republican Party.

The problem for Democrats right now is that the party's enemies have been able to define the party more effectively than the party has been able to define itself.

And greuhls: You don't even grasp my meaning in the least.

Pick an issue: Abortion, gay marriage, guns, whatever. In Ohio, a significant segment of Democrats lean conservative on these issues. Catholic Democrats often oppose abortion, and this is true of elected Catholic Democrats, even those from Cleveland's inner ring suburbs and Cincinnati. On guns, rural Democrats oppose gun controls, while suburban Republicans tend to support them.

That's reality.

The problem is, the Democratic Party's enemies have been able to twist that reality. Just the other day, the Ohio GOP chairman described it as oxymoronic that someone could be a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Bush Democrat.

That's spin. It isn't reality. There is nothing oxymoronic whatsoever about a pro-life, pro-gun Democrat. They thrive in this state.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:To many people, Michael Moore is the epitome of the Democratic party....that wasn't made up by the Republicans.

Yes it was.

Michael Moore no more epitomizes the Democratic Party than Tom Coburn epitomizes the Republican Party.

so why was moore at the democratic national convention sitting in the presidential box with jimmy carter?

Quote:The problem for Democrats right now is that the party's enemies have been able to define the party more effectively than the party has been able to define itself.

And greuhls: You don't even grasp my meaning in the least.

i understood you perfectly. "enemies" of the democrats have tricked voters into a)voting republican or b) not voting democrat. how? by disseminating disinformation and misleading those who are easily duped by "twisted reality."

Quote:Pick an issue: Abortion, gay marriage, guns, whatever. In Ohio, a significant segment of Democrats lean conservative on these issues. Catholic Democrats often oppose abortion, and this is true of elected Catholic Democrats, even those from Cleveland's inner ring suburbs and Cincinnati. On guns, rural Democrats oppose gun controls, while suburban Republicans tend to support them.

That's reality.

The problem is, the Democratic Party's enemies have been able to twist that reality. Just the other day, the Ohio GOP chairman described it as oxymoronic that someone could be a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Bush Democrat.

That's spin. It isn't reality. There is nothing oxymoronic whatsoever about a pro-life, pro-gun Democrat. They thrive in this state.

as i stated above.

how about just once you consider that this election reflected a well-informed electorate who saw plenty of reasons to vote for bush, and not so many reasons to vote for kerry? in the interim, why not get started now on the "enemies list" for the democrats. let us know what you come up with.