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Quote:Recently, Howard Dean was appointed the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee. During a speech, he said the following: "You think the RNC could get this many people of color into a single room? Maybe if they got the hotel staff in there."

That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats see minorities as hotel staff. Republicans see them as Cabinet members----Mary Beth Seaha, Aiken, S.C.
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That is unbelievable!! :bang: Then again, I am not really surprised.

Do you Dem's realize that this is what your party is? I know what Trent Lot said. I know that there have been other Rep's that have said similar or worse things. But those are personal issues. The Dem's consistantly talk like this.

The Democratic Party - Demeaning and Demoralizing - and you are a stupid dimwit if you don't like us...

"Maybe if they got the hotel staff in there" :chair:

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Quote:Recently, Howard Dean was appointed the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee. During a speech, he said the following: "You think the RNC could get this many people of color into a single room? Maybe if they got the hotel staff in there."

That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats see minorities as hotel staff. Republicans see them as Cabinet members----Mary Beth Seaha, Aiken, S.C.
The worst part is that African Americans as a whole still consider the Dems "their" party. They need to wake up and actually flex their voting muscle. Hispanics and Latin Americans have done that and have shown that they have some true power within the Republican party.
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What have you guys done for black people, called them welfare queens.
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Quote:Recently, Howard Dean was appointed the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee. During a speech, he said the following: "You think the RNC could get this many people of color into a single room? Maybe if they got the hotel staff in there."

That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats see minorities as hotel staff. Republicans see them as Cabinet members----Mary Beth Seaha, Aiken, S.C.
The worst part is that African Americans as a whole still consider the Dems "their" party. They need to wake up and actually flex their voting muscle.
Here's someone who's working on it

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I heard her on the radio this morning.

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I suggest SF and Oddball read this book, written by someone who's "been there".
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JTiger Wrote:What have you guys done for black people, called them welfare queens.
What exactly should we be doing for black people? Why is assumed they need something special?

It's this sort of presumption that shows an inherent prejudice.
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JTiger Wrote:What have you guys done for black people, called them welfare queens.
NEW YORK - EVERY FEBRUARY, Black History Month recalls Democrat Harry Truman’s 1948 armed forces desegregation and Democrat Lyndon Johnson’s signature on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the greatest black legislative victory since Republican Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery in 1863. This annual commemoration, however, largely overlooks many milestones Republicans and blacks have achieved together by overcoming reactionary Democrats.

The 2005 Republican Freedom Calendar, published by Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., and the House Policy Committee (http://www.policy.house.gov), traces GOP support for blacks, often over Democratic objections. White supremacists, for example, worked club in hand with Democrats for decades:

July 30, 1866: New Orleans’ Democratic government ordered police to raid an integrated GOP meeting, killing 40 people and injuring 150.

Sept. 28, 1868: Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor.

April 20, 1871: The GOP Congress adopted the Ku Klux Klan Act, banning the pro-Democrat domestic terrorist group.

Aug. 17, 1937: Republicans opposed Democratic President Franklin Roosevelt’s Supreme Court nominee, Sen. Hugo Black, D-Ala., a former Klansman who defended Klansmen against race-murder charges.

February 2005: The Democrats’ Klan-coddling today is embodied by KKK alumnus Robert Byrd, West Virginia’s logorrheic senator. On March 4, 2001, Byrd told Fox News Sunday: “There are white *******. I’ve seen a lot of white ******* in my time; I’m going to use that word.
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Republicans' record on blacks beats the Democrats hands down

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Monday 26 July 2004

President Bush's address to the 2004 National Urban League Conference in Detroit should be used to highlight the fact that the Republicans' record on civil rights for blacks is far superior to the Democrats' record. Only in our Orwellian world could the Republicans be successfully painted by the Party of Jefferson Davis as the party of Jim Crow.

For nearly 100 years American blacks looked to be freed from their chains. When that day finally arrived, thanks to a bloody civil war, there was jubilation. But what did the vast majority of their descendents eventually do? They returned to thee Democratic plantation. And the likes of Julian Bond, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson intend to keep them there. After all, what good is a race hustler if he cannot keep that race-pot on the boil?

It is one of life's wicked ironies that the Party of Lincoln, the Party founded on an anti-slavery plank, the Party that abolished slavery and gave the country the fourteenth amendment in an effort to protect black rights; the Party which tried to put an end to lynching, in the face of fierce opposition by Democrats, has now been successfully demonized by the Democrats as racist.

What is to be done? Well, the Republicans could start by telling the truth and there is no better place to start than the Party's voting record on civil rights. The Dems' black overseers spread the lie that the Republicans opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Acts. Even a loose reading of history shows that while 69 percent of Democratic Senators voted for the Act, 82 percent of Republican Senators did so.

The contrast in the House of Representatives was even more marked, with 61 percent of Dems voting for the Act as against 80 percent of the Republicans. Al Gore's father was one of those who refused to support the Act that enforced the constitutional rights of blacks. Unlike that well-known Democrat Bull Connor who used dogs, clubs and hoses to violate black rights, the genteel Gore merely voted against them.

The overseers tell their black brothers and sisters that Republicans were responsible for the outcome of the Dred Scott case, an infamous Supreme Court ruling that said no black, whether free or slave could be a US citizen. This decision seemed designed to invalidate the Missouri Compromise and legalize the introduction of slavery into the territories. But despite what the overseers assert it was the Democrats who were responsible for this decision. And who damned it and those judges who supported it? The Republicans.

It was the Democrats' appalling behavior on slavery that drove Lincoln to say on the eve of the Civil War:

"The Republicans inculcate, with whatever ability they can, that the Negro is a man, that his bondage is cruelly wrong, and that the field of his oppression ought not to be enlarged. The Democrats deny his manhood; deny, or dwarf to insignificance the wrong of his bondage; so far as possible, crush all sympathy for him, and cultivate and excite hatred and disgust against him; compliment themselves as Union-savers for doing so; and call the indefinite spreading of his bondage a sacred right of self-government."

When the war was over the Republicans introduced the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments in an effort to protect black rights, all in the teeth of ferocious opposition from Democrats. That these amendments fell into dormancy after the withdrawal of Northern troops from the South says more about the spirit of the South than is does about Republicans.

Republicans should openly brag that it they were the anti-slavery party and the one that introduced civil rights amendments to the Constitution in a genuine effort to help former slaves establish themselves as self-governing individuals with the same inalienable rights as every other American citizen.

It was because of the Republicans record on slavery and black rights Democrats sneeringly calling them the "colored people's Party". That is something Republicans have every right to be proud of.

And Republicans should not hesitate to shame Democrats into admitting that theirs was the slavery party, the party of the Ku Klux Klan, of Jim Crow, lynchings, burnings and Senator Robert Byrd. It was Democratic judges in the South who only forty years ago strove to keep blacks in their place and out of the polling booth — not Republicans.

It was Republican Justice Warren, an Eisenhower appointee, who stood up to the South's segregationist politicians, not a Democratic appointed judge. It was Warren's actions that finally brought about the full emancipation of all of America's blacks. And it was a Republican president who backed him.

Republicans have a sterling civil rights record of which they have every reason to be proud. But through the Orwellian twisting of history the Republicans have been successfully labelled as the 'Jim Crow' party. Nevertheless, history is on the Republicans side in the only sense that matters — the truth. All that Republicans have to do is gird their loins and start preaching the gospel as it was originally written.

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JTiger Wrote:What have you guys done for black people, called them welfare queens.
I wasn't suggesting that either party should do anything for African Americans. I also didn't suggest that the Republican party did anything for Hispanics. I suggested that Hispanics used their voting power by coming together as a whole to force the Republicans to back issues that they felt strongly about (i.e. you support my cause or you lose my votes.) My comment was that I do not as a whole see African Americans as a group doing the same. Regretfully, I don't believe this will ever happen as long as they continue to use racist ignorant idiots such as Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson as their spokesmen. They should find someone like C. Powell or C. Rice who aren't so filled with hate and caught up in the past to be their "unofficial leaders"
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I'll give Colin Powell and Condi to you guys, but by and large, the black community feels that you have written them off. I know this will get a negative reaction, but Bush's snubbing of NAACP for his first term. Now, I understand why he did it and I don't blame him. I probably would have skipped it to if they put out attack ads against me, but alot of black I know felt that was a huge slap in the face of black people in general. I guess the real problem is the PERCEPTION that republicans are not on the side of blacks. Can we still use that word? BTW, awsome sig Blah.
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blah Wrote:The worst part is that African Americans as a whole still consider the Dems "their" party.&nbsp; They need to wake up and actually flex their voting muscle.&nbsp; Hispanics and Latin Americans have done that and have shown that they have some true power within the Republican party.

but there is hope.

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Campaigning Swann's way

The ex-Steeler carefully tests a GOP gubernatorial bid.

By Carrie Budoff

Inquirer Staff Writer


NORTH HUNTINGDON, Pa. - The early steps of a potential gubernatorial candidate rarely elicit such attention: Republicans packing a banquet hall, youngsters seeking autographs, and news cameras trailing him through the ballroom.

But when the figure is Lynn Swann, a four-time Super Bowl champion with a celebrity-like following in a state often lacking star power, orthodoxy no longer holds.

Last night's Westmoreland County Republican dinner provided the first extended forum for Swann to talk about a bid that has so far been shrouded from wide view.

"It's something I've got to look at, I've got to feel," Swann said before the dinner. "I am in the process of trying to figure out whether I can make a real viable run to win or not. I am not interested in running for the sake of gathering experience."

Swann's approach to exploring a run for Pennsylvania's highest state office appears to mirror his personality - described by friends as disciplined and private.

Still, the whole idea continues to take some people who have known him for years - his former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates - by surprise. They know him not as a politician-in-waiting, but as someone with varied interests. A man who endows youth ballet scholarships. An on-field star who was rarely shy about pulling good-hearted locker-room pranks back in his NFL days. A father of two young boys and husband of a model-turned-Ph.D. with whom he collects wines and attends cultural benefits.

"I have been with Lynn through the years," said John Banaszak, a former teammate and assistant football coach at Robert Morris University. "We've had long conversations about things. We have talked business, children, everything but politics. Lynn enjoys challenges, and I think whoever put the idea in his head obviously struck a nerve."

It is also true, though, that for the last few years, Swann has been diligently raising his political profile, starting with his 2002 installment on the President's Council for Physical Fitness and Sports.

He looked the part of a politician last night, flashing a wide smile and signing footballs as he arrived for the dinner in this town 17 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. He was supposed to roll up in a limousine, courtesy of local party officials, but he nixed the idea.

"There is a certain celebrity curiosity about his campaign," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, which conducts surveys in Pennsylvania. "Why is he running?"

Swann said last night that campaigning for President Bush last year piqued his interest in public office, but he provided few clues as to what issues he might run on. He called himself a conservative, but declined to say where he stood on gun control and taxes, and at first would not offer his view on abortion. "Until I decide to step out and run for a position, I don't think it is necessary for me to go out and take a particular position," he said.

Several minutes later, he returned to tell reporters that he unequivocally opposed abortion rights.

"I wasn't supposed to be born," Swann said, because his father wanted only two children. But his mother pushed for a third child, and "I was born," he said. "That's enough for me to be pro-life."

While other candidates thrust themselves into the public domain, Swann has carefully scripted his rollout, declining requests for interviews in favor of releasing statements. His latest, on Wednesday, discussed the formation of a political action committee and a state tour to begin a "conversation with the people of Pennsylvania regarding a potential campaign."

Swann has attracted such interest despite lacking any elective-office experience because of a unique profile that some Republicans see as necessary to combat Gov. Rendell, who can outshine competitors on the campaign trail. Swann proponents say he could match Rendell's charisma, cash in on his celebrity with fund-raising and new voters, and campaign without the political baggage of other officeholders.

Yet the last point could also be a liability, allowing his opponents to frame Swann as a lightweight.

His potential Republican adversaries already appear to be adopting that line of attack. State Senate Majority Whip Jeffrey E. Piccola of Dauphin County and former Lt. Gov. William W. Scranton 3d of Lackawanna County have been playing up their experience as they make the rounds at GOP dinners.

Swann, who could become the first African American to be nominated for governor in Pennsylvania, now embarks on a crucial stage in the process: convincing the GOP that he is not just an articulate celebrity, but a viable candidate.

"He has to prove he has knowledge of the issues and the politics of Pennsylvania to back it up," Richards said.

Swann, 52, grew up in California and played football at the University of Southern California, but he made the Pittsburgh area his home after retiring from the Steelers in 1983 to work full-time as an ABC sports commentator. He lives in Sewickley, a wealthy Pittsburgh suburb, in a home valued in land records at $1.1 million.

The son of Democrats, Swann said in a September Web chat organized by the Bush campaign that he had been a Republican "most of his adult life."

"I am always somewhat amused by the fact that some people would ask, 'Why as an African American am I a Republican,' " Swann wrote. "In many cases, my response is, 'Why not a Republican.' Why is it such a grand assumption that African Americans should be Democrats when historically the Republican Party has been a leader on issues important to African Americans."

He has dabbled in politics over the years - as a volunteer on a reelection campaign of the late U.S. Sen. John Heinz, and as master of ceremonies at one of Gov. Tom Ridge's 1995 inauguration events.

The turning point in Swann's political involvement appears to be his arrival on President Bush's physical fitness council, a platform that buoyed another athlete-turned-politician, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

It was then that he first got to know Mark A. Holman, a close long-time aide to Ridge and a diehard Steelers fan. Holman, who was working for the Bush administration at the time, recalls lunching with Swann at the White House cafeteria.

"He asked me to talk with him about the realities of life as governor and a candidate," said Holman, who is now assisting Swann in his potential candidacy.

During the next three years, Swann would become more active. He testified at congressional hearings about obesity and the burden of an overweight nation on the government budgets. He joined the Bush-Cheney campaign as cochairman of a national African American steering committee, appearing with the president and vice president in Western Pennsylvania. He spoke briefly at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.

And he struck up increasingly frequent conversations with Republicans about his own political future, speaking a year ago with Renee Amoore, the deputy state GOP chairwoman, and over the summer with several top state Republican consultants. But in the September Web chat, he didn't let on to his burgeoning interest in public office.

"I have no plans to change my position with respect to an elected position at this time," Swann wrote. "But, if I change my mind, I'll be looking for your help."

A Look at Lynn Swann

• Took childhood ballet lessons that he later credited with helping his football performance.

• Joined the Steelers as a first-round draft pick in 1974.

• Was a "Monday Night Football" sidelines commentator until 1998, when he became a collegiate sports commentator for ABC.

• Serves as national spokesman for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.

• Made a cameo appearance in Adam Sandler's 1998 movie The Waterboy.

• Served as cochairman of the African Americans for Bush National Steering Committee.

• Earns between $20,001 and $50,000 in speaking fees, according to the Web sites of several booking firms.


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JTiger Wrote:I'll give Colin Powell and Condi to you guys, but by and large, the black community feels that you have written them off. I know this will get a negative reaction, but Bush's snubbing of NAACP for his first term. Now, I understand why he did it and I don't blame him. I probably would have skipped it to if they put out attack ads against me, but alot of black I know felt that was a huge slap in the face of black people in general. I guess the real problem is the PERCEPTION that republicans are not on the side of blacks. Can we still use that word? BTW, awsome sig Blah.
You didn't see bush speaking to the UAW either, but that doesn't mean Republicans hate union workers. It means we know we are never going to get their support, so why waste our time or campaign dollars.

Which is totally my arguement for African Americans. They lay their cards on the table everytime and then expect to win. That's not the way it works. If you want some power, you have to have something you can give or something that someone wants. At this point, African Americans as a whole have neither. Republicans know that African Americans as a whole don't agree with their platform. Democrats know that African Americans are in their pockets. Therefore, they have no power to push any of their objectives because Rep. know that listening won't win them any votes and Dems. know that not listening won't cost them any.
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J, the NAACP doesn't represent black people; it represents Democratic black people. Torch said it right. To assume black people need something, other than the government getting out of their way, is an inherent prejudice in itself. The reason black people see the DNC as their party is because the DNC has snowed them over to no end. Jim Crow laws were done by democrats. The Emancipation Proc. was done by Republicans. As a matter of fact, the Republican Party was founded as an abolitionist party in Wisconsin.

Democrats are notorious for rewriting history, and Republicans are notorious for complacency. Why? Republicans generally tend to be individualists while Democrats are generally collectivists, I.e. it's easier to start movements, etc.
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We have a Mayor here in Memphis, King Willie as he is so affectionately known, a Democrat, that just the other day once again confirmed that he is as big a racist as there is.

In Nashville on Wednesday to lobby the Shelby County legislative delegation regarding school funding, he said: "... you know when the funding mechanism is going to change -- it's when the education of white students in the suburbs begins to suffer."

In the next breath he said, in response to a comment from a legislator that such racial remarks had no place in the discussion, that he did not bring up racism, and insinuated that the legislator had introduced the race card.

Now, I am fully aware of what the King's point was, but his method of delivery wreaks of racism. Are there not Black, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, etc, students in our suburbian schools. Certainly. Why then would he not choose the word affluent (as was his point) or simply leave out the word 'white'?
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I know what you mean Joe. I'm in Memphis too. I don't think any clear thinking democrat will ever hold King Willie up as an example of the modern democrat. He's an embarassment.
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RebelKev Wrote:J, the NAACP doesn't represent black people; it represents Democratic black people.
This is true, but until black people as a whole see throught this organization, the PERCEPTION is still reality. I don't personally like their tactics or agenda. The organization that was founded was noble and just, but does it need to be in business today? I don't know. I personally see much more so-called "reverse" discrimination than traditional.
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