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may, felton and marvin just announced that they will take their money and run. i gue$$ the money was worth more than the allure of a second national championship.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:may, felton and marvin just announced that they will take their money and run. i gue$$ the money was worth more than the allure of a second national championship.
Heck yes it's worth it. And I don't want to hear any Carolina fan gripping about losing their starting lineup, plus some. You'll be fine a couple years, not to mention they got 3 McD AA's on their squad. Sure they'll start a few freshman, but those freshman are probably better than most upperclassmen on some teams.
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Talk a maturing process on the horizon for next season... We are courting Echefu, a #8 PF in the nation according to some reports, so if he commits, we'll only add some power to an already very good recruiting class.

Wih that said, the only thing I can say to the departing is thanks and good luck! Hopefully these guys stick to their words and come back to finish their education, however Wwilliams never mentioned this...
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jrhessey Wrote:Talk a maturing process on the horizon for next season... We are courting Echefu, a #8 PF in the nation according to some reports, so if he commits, we'll only add some power to an already very good recruiting class.
on rivals.com it says that duke is in the lead for echefu.
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I hate all these ppl going pro early.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:
jrhessey Wrote:Talk a maturing process on the horizon for next season...  We are courting Echefu, a #8 PF in the nation according to some reports, so if he commits, we'll only add some power to an already very good recruiting class.
on rivals.com it says that duke is in the lead for echefu.
not any more...

He narrowed his choice of schools to 4 a week ago...

They are...

Florida State High Interest Yes 10/16/2004
Kentucky High Interest Yes 04/17/2005
Maryland High Interest Yes None
North Carolina High Interest Yes 05/06/2005

The 6 left out are...

Duke No Interest Yes None
Florida No Interest No None
Michigan No Interest Yes 09/30/2004
Texas No Interest Yes None
Virginia No Interest Yes None
Virginia Tech No Interest Yes None

The date is the visit date, and the Yes's are if they have offered or not...

All according to Scout.com
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jrhessey Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:
jrhessey Wrote:Talk a maturing process on the horizon for next season...  We are courting Echefu, a #8 PF in the nation according to some reports, so if he commits, we'll only add some power to an already very good recruiting class.
on rivals.com it says that duke is in the lead for echefu.
not any more...

He narrowed his choice of schools to 4 a week ago...

They are...

Florida State High Interest Yes 10/16/2004
Kentucky High Interest Yes 04/17/2005
Maryland High Interest Yes None
North Carolina High Interest Yes 05/06/2005

The 6 left out are...

Duke No Interest Yes None
Florida No Interest No None
Michigan No Interest Yes 09/30/2004
Texas No Interest Yes None
Virginia No Interest Yes None
Virginia Tech No Interest Yes None

The date is the visit date, and the Yes's are if they have offered or not...

All according to Scout.com
These recruiting services are not always accurate, and a lot has to do with the kids changing their minds or just saying something to please somebody. Until he signs on the dotted line he could go to a number of schools.
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Taking the money and running? McCants mom has cancer so she needs help. Marvins mom is sick and it is causing a financial strain. Roy even said Marvin would be there no more than 2 yeas as it would not be fair. May will NEVER be positioned better for the draft after his run through the NCAA's. Felton did what he promised he would do. He brought UNC a national championship. See, that is the difference between UNC and the school up the street. After the season Carolinas players sit down with Roy, Dean, their parents and decide what is best for THE PLAYER AND HIS FAMILY. I cannot recall hearing anyone in CH saying their son is f'ng up my program. It is the ultimate goal of most top tier kids to make it to the NBA. These kids won a National Championship. On to the next goal. Good for them. I wish them the best. I am proud of them. BTW, I bet ya they will all have their diplomas soon.
Think of it this way. 1/4 of NBA teams have UNC alums as coaches. The NBA knows UNC kids are taught right.

Quote:When dunlevey left K said " I don't like it, but it was his decision".. When Deng left he said " I don't like it, but it was his decision".. He never said he was happy for them, heck, now he doesn't even talk to the media about anything ( he is so high and mighty that he is to good for that now).. You want to talk about pressure to stay instead of doing whats best for the player, look at S. Williams.. He is still wondering what the heck to do, and Chrissy Collins ( K's outlet) is saying He will probably stay.. Goes to show.. Simply put..
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rickheel Wrote:Taking the money and running? McCants mom has cancer so she needs help. Marvins mom is sick and it is causing a financial strain. Roy even said Marvin would be there no more than 2 yeas as it would not be fair. May will NEVER be positioned better for the draft after his run through the NCAA's. Felton did what he promised he would do. He brought UNC a national championship. See, that is the difference between UNC and the school up the street. After the season Carolinas players sit down with Roy, Dean, their parents and decide what is best for THE PLAYER AND HIS FAMILY. I cannot recall hearing anyone in CH saying their son is f'ng up my program. It is the ultimate goal of most top tier kids to make it to the NBA. These kids won a National Championship. On to the next goal. Good for them. I wish them the best. I am proud of them. BTW, I bet ya they will all have their diplomas soon.
Think of it this way. 1/4 of NBA teams have UNC alums as coaches. The NBA knows UNC kids are taught right.

Quote:When dunlevey left K said " I don't like it, but it was his decision".. When Deng left he said " I don't like it, but it was his decision".. He never said he was happy for them, heck, now he doesn't even talk to the media about anything ( he is so high and mighty that he is to good for that now).. You want to talk about pressure to stay instead of doing whats best for the player, look at S. Williams.. He is still wondering what the heck to do, and Chrissy Collins ( K's outlet) is saying He will probably stay.. Goes to show.. Simply put..
Good post, but the reason I think coach K was bitching about them leaving early is because a)Dunleavy wasn't ready (imo) and b)if Deng stayed they WOULD have won the championship. The different between a coach acting like a dick and a great man is trust. I don't coach K trusted those kids, Deng was only Frosh when he left and Dunleavy was on the team with Jay Williams.

On the subject of someone leaving because a family member needs help, try to hunt down Greg Doyel's article about Keleena Azubuike.
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Father's bad choices reflecting on son's future
April 8, 2005
By Gregg Doyel
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Kenneth Azubuike reports to jail next week for perpetrating outrageous levels of fraud, but his son also will pay for those sins.


The Wildcats fell short in the regional final vs. Michigan State. (Getty Images)
The son is Kentucky junior Kelenna Azubuike, who will never be a Kentucky senior because he has entered the 2005 NBA Draft and signed with an agent. Whether he admits it or not -- and right now, he's not -- Azubuike did it for his father, whose sentence for fraud includes a four-year prison term and more than $330,000 in fines and restitution.

Thanks, Dad.

Kenneth Azubuike needs money. Kelenna Azubuike can get some quickly -- by signing with an agent, for starters. The agent can float Azubuike a loan based on his future earnings. There's plenty of money to be made overseas, which is where Azubuike will play next season.

Azubuike is a first-round pick only if the 2005 NBA Draft includes a height restriction. If the draft were open only to players 6-feet-5 and under, Azubuike might be drafted in the first round. Might be. Not sure.

The 6-5, 210-pound Azubuike is a nice young man -- a really, really nice young man -- who has an NBA body but lacks NBA intensity. He also lacks the ability to dribble from Point A to Point B. His jump shot, his best attribute, is pretty good for the SEC level ... and pretty bad for the NBA level. This is a nice kid who was a nice college player who will have to learn how to say "nice" in another language, because if his goal is to make money as a basketball player, he won't live again in the United States until he retires.

I don't blame Kelenna Azubuike. In fact, part of me applauds him. Talk about a good son -- look at what he's leaving behind, all for the sake of his father. He's a year from graduation. He's a year from perhaps, but only perhaps, playing his way into a guaranteed first-round contract in the 2006 NBA Draft. He has one last year of college life, and can life get much better than to be the leading scorer on the men's basketball team at Kentucky? Next season, with Azubuike, the Wildcats would have been among the leading Final Four candidates.

Kelenna Azubuike gave all that away.

Shame on you, Kenneth Azubuike.

In a statement announcing his decision to throw away his last year of college, Kelenna Azubuike tried -- nobly -- to take credit for this horrible decision.

"I know all the implications of signing with an agent," he said. "I believe I am ready and I am willing to do whatever it takes to get better before the draft. I want to make it clear that this is my decision, but my family is solidly behind me."

His family is solidly behind him, all right. Pushing with both hands.

Poor Kelenna. His rush to sign with an agent was basically a defense mechanism against anyone -- Kentucky coach Tubby Smith, NBA scouting guru Marty Blake, me -- telling him what a horrible, horrible decision he would be making by staying in the draft. By signing with an agent, see, Azubuike has no choice. He can't turn back now, even though he surely will learn in the coming weeks he has no chance to be drafted in the first round.

Azubuike averaged 14.7 points as a junior, but for the second consecutive season his shooting accuracy dipped on 3-pointers (down to 35.6 percent) and free throws (72.9 percent). This is the player whom Smith once noted "looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane" -- recognition that the rippling Azubuike looks much tougher than he actually is.

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Well, duh. Azubuike has been hearing stupid stuff all his life from his father, who was notorious on the recruiting trail for telling college coaches that Kelenna probably was going to enter the 2002 NBA Draft out of high school. Even then, see, Kenneth Azubuike was trying to get money from his son.

Is there any other way to look at this? When he announced the sentence, U.S. District Court Judge Terence Kern reportedly called Kenneth Azubuike a "serial con man." According to the federal case against him, Kenneth Azubuike convinced people who thought they were his friends to make nearly $700,000 in bad investments. The elder Azubuike also tried to obtain roughly $500,000 in loans through fraudulent means.

All the while, Kenneth Azubuike was living the good life. Court records show he owned an expensive home in Lexington, Ky., and had three sport utility vehicles. He was sending two of his children to expensive, private schools and reportedly even depositing hundreds of thousands of dollars into his bank account -- all the while being represented by a public defender and receiving federally sponsored health care.

Kenneth Azubuike was unemployed and presumably indigent.

Kenneth Azubuike was a liar. He was a thief. Worst of all, he was an awful father to a son who is, frankly, too good for him.

But not good enough for the NBA.



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rick, when i said they were taking there money and running, i wasn't talking about mccants. also, i had no idea that marvin's mom was ill. i believe it was the right move for may and felton to leave, i'm not criticizing that.
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Cool deal.
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I find it funny that while we chastise guys for leaving early everyone here is like take the money and run :angel:
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PirateTreasureNC Wrote:I find it funny that while we chastise guys for leaving early everyone here is like take the money and run :angel:
well, it was the smartest move may could have made. His stock was never higher. and without may, felton's stock might have never been higher. As for marvin, he could be the #1 pick. but if he came out next year, he had no shot at #1, because greg odon will be coming out.
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well, it was the smartest move may could have made. His stock was never higher. and without may, felton's stock might have never been higher. As for marvin, he could be the #1 pick. but if he came out next year, he had no shot at #1, because greg odon will be coming out. [/quote]
NBADraft.net would say otherwise.

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A few weeks ago, they had Marvin as the #1 pick next year.
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Ziggy Stardust Wrote:A few weeks ago, they had Marvin as the #1 pick next year.
i don't believe that for one minute. in fact, that's completely wrong. i heard, from many places, that if odon could leave right now (after his current junior year) he would be the #1 pick. but obviously he can't do that.
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