The Knight Time Wrote:georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The Knight Time Wrote:And GTS, your comparison OF A HUMAN LIFE to a sneeze is sick and absolutely inappropriate. I'd advise you keep your pro-choice antics to a minimal.
There isn't a scientist in the world that can classify a human embryo... immediately after conception.... as a human life. For some time it's just one cell... then for many weeks thereafter it's nothing more than cells dividing rapidly. There is zero specialization. There is zero intelligence. It is no more a human than your white blood cells.. which have aguably more intelligent actions (attacking molecules based on chemical build and chemical "markers" the body attaches to them) than the embryo / extremely early fetus.
There isn't a scientist on the planet than would honestly say an embryo -- immediately upon conception -- is a human. It's ONE CELL for christ's sake. By that definition... my skin cells qualify as humans!!! If I cut myself am I then committing murder thousands upon thousands of times?
It's this simple: what you are considering a "human life" (embryo immediately after conception and for some weeks thereafter) does not jive with scientific definition. That's not scientific belief... it's friggin DEFINITION. You're essentially arguing against Webster's Dictionary.
How many babies are aborted at the instant of conception?
Babies are aborted much later when they have a beating heart, ears, eyes, etc.
Here GTS..........and every single pro- abortion advocate. Take a look at this link. You look at the picture in this link, then you TRY to defend your bull s h i t argument that an aborted baby is just like a sneeze molecule.
You look at this picture and tell me that a baby isn't alive inside a womb, and isn't a life at all.
<a href='http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.peopleforlife.org/images/malachi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.peopleforlife.org/twentyoneweeks.html&h=360&w=600&sz=71&tbnid=pnKh27nhTg4J:&tbnh=79&tbnw=133&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daborted%2Bbaby%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG' target='_blank'>This is what you advocate</a>
Sigh. Another person who sees things as black or white.
I am pro-choice under certain circumstances. The picture of the aborted baby you gave? It was TWENTY ONE FRIGGIN' WEEKS old. You do realize there is NO reason for an abortion to occur at more than.. say 6 weeks? Realistically... 4 weeks. Your period stops. Hello - take a pregnancy test. That person waited nearly SIX F'N MONTHS before aborting. That's a HUGE difference from what I'm abdicating... and if you can't grasp that.. then wake the hell up. By that time the baby has long had rudimentary brain functionality. I'm talking about the 6-week and under range... and most shouldn't take more 3 weeks. You have to ovulate to concieve... the time diff b/t then and the missing period? 2 weeks. Plus another 1 week to schedule an appointment. You wanna compare a fetus at 3 weeks to one at TWENTY ONE weeks??? Hardly a comparison at all.
If you're going to attack my position with photos - why don't you post a photo of a fetus at around 3 weeks hmm?
NO... F*CKING... COMPARISON. Here's the development status during times I"m talking about:
Week 5:
Three weeks after fertilisation, the different parts of the embryo start to form. Three layers of cells form, out of which all the different organs of the body will develop. Two folds grow along the length of the embryo - these roll up to make the neural tube which
eventually becomes the brain and spinal cord. The placenta, the embryo's life-support system, starts to work, delivering nourishment and taking waste products away.
Summary: No nervous system is present... I couldn't even find a picture... probably b/c they don't show up on ultrasound yet.
Week 6:
By four weeks, the embryo has a head, tail, backbone and limb buds - which will eventually become arms and legs. The beginnings of ears and eyes are also visible. Its heart is already beating, and the other organs are forming fast. An umbilical cord starts to grow between the embryo and the placenta. During this time, the embryo is especially sensitive to any drugs or infections capable of crossing the placenta from the mother.
Summary: Still virtually no nervous sytem what-so-ever. I"m sure somebody is going to latch on to "heart beating" ... the heart is nothing more than a muscle that contracts. It isn't even pumping BLOOD yet. So take that potential argument and shove it.
You going to call that a human??? I'll give you this... in the weeks following this one, development of organs rapidly happens. That's why my cutoff point is here. And there isn't a single parent ON THE PLANET EARTH that can't find out they're pregnant in time to take action by week 6. The overwhelming majority should be able to find out by week 3.
You can take your images of fetus wildly beyond this time frame and shove them. The
FACTS do not side with you. I have spoken nothing but facts on this topic. I used the sneeze analogies b/c they were appropriate for thus arguging life begins at conception. You know what you are arguging is a human??
THIS!
After fertilisation, the genes carried by the egg and sperm combine, creating the complete set of instructions needed to make a new person. The fertilised egg is called a zygote. About 30 hours later, this single cell starts to divide - into two, four, then eight cells, and so on. Meanwhile it travels down the fallopian tube and six days later, the resulting clump of cells burrows into the lining of the womb. Only about 75 per cent of all fertilised eggs get as far as this stage.
After fertilisation, the genes carried by the egg and sperm combine, creating the complete set of instructions needed to make a new person. The fertilised egg is called a zygote. About 30 hours later, this single cell starts to divide - into two, four, then eight cells, and so on. Meanwhile it travels down the fallopian tube and six days later, the resulting clump of cells burrows into the lining of the womb. Only about 75 per cent of all fertilised eggs get as far as this stage.
There isn't a scientist ON THE PLANET that would agree with you! It took an ELECTRON MICROSCOPE to ****ing see that!!!!!!!
*** **** I hate stupid people that assume their opinions are right and when confronted with the truth they dodge it by providing COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT information.
So you can get things straight: My cut off point is towards the end of this period HERE:
<a href='http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/exhibitions/lifecycle/51.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/exhibition...ifecycle/51.asp</a>
Weeks 4 to 8
By the end of week 8 (the 10th week of pregnancy), all the different parts of the body are in place. Fingers and toes form - the embryo now has unique fingerprints. Its head is still very large compared to its body - almost half its length. The brain is growing at about 100,000 new brain cells every minute. All embryos look identical at seven weeks, before the sex-determining gene is switched on in males.