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We were taught this in my Asian Civ class at BGSU years ago...but hey why not re-prove everything.

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Quote:"When you look beyond this study to all of the studies finding cultural differences, you find that people from one culture do better on some tasks, while people from other cultures do better on others. I think it would be hard to argue from these studies that one culture is generally outperforming the other cognitively," Cave said.

is fine as long as it's Asians and Caucasians...but put African-Americans into the equation and you're suddenly a "racist".

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DrTorch Wrote:is fine as long as it's Asians and Caucasians...but put African-Americans into the equation and you're suddenly a "racist".

*sigh*
As long as you are saying that Blacks (I despise the term African American) are better than whites at something it is OK, but as soon as the comparison goes the other way....your a confederate flag waving, sheet wearing, noose tying honkey.

I'm tired of it being allright to insult the white male, but every one else is off limits.
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GrayBeard Wrote:As long as you are saying that Blacks (I despise the term African American)
I do too, but in this case I think it is an essential distinction. African-Americans probably have a culture that is different from Africans, and thus may perform cognitive functions different from Africans as well as Americans of other cultures.

Quote:are better than whites at something it is OK, but as soon as the comparison goes the other way....your a confederate flag waving, sheet wearing, noose tying honkey.

I'm tired of it being allright to insult the white male, but every one else is off limits.

No need for this to be an insult, just a guideline for encouraging people to find their strengths and succeed using them.
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DrTorch Wrote:is fine as long as it's Asians and Caucasians...but put African-Americans into the equation and you're suddenly a "racist".

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Where do you draw that conclusion from this article? I do not see where they decided to not include North Americans of African decent because they were afraid the study would be considered racist.
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GrayBeard Wrote:As long as you are saying that Blacks (I despise the term African American) are better than whites at something it is OK, but as soon as the comparison goes the other way....your a confederate flag waving, sheet wearing, noose tying honkey.

I'm tired of it being allright to insult the white male, but every one else is off limits.
First question, why do you prefer the term Blacks to African-American or Afro-American? Our skin is not black so that would not be the accurate description of our people or where we originated. I like the term Afro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.

Second question, show me something that white people can point to as being better than black people, that they do not have the benefit of slavery and racial prejugdice to give them an edge.
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Second question, show me something that white people can point to as being better than black people, that they do not have the benefit of slavery and racial prejugdice to give them an edge.

Easy...........Hockey :D
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ShoreBuc Wrote:Second question, show me something that white people can point to as being better than black people, that they do not have the benefit of slavery and racial prejugdice to give them an edge.

Easy...........Hockey :D
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Thank you sir I like that answer. :laugh:
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uhmump95 Wrote:First question, why do you prefer the term Blacks to African-American or Afro-American? Our skin is not black so that would not be the accurate description of our people or where we originated. I like the term Afro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.
I don't consider you an African-American. Instead you are an American. The exception to this would be if you were actually born in Africa, then I can see the African-American tag.

On the Black issue, it is the same as calling me white. I am not white, but some color that is similar but not the same. Then there is that Caucasion term. It sounds like some nasty disease....

Guy 1 "Yo man, what's wrong with you?"

Guy 2 "Uhhh, I got that Caucasion thing!"

Guy 1 "Damn, that sucks! I hope you can get rid of it. Did they hook you up with some meds?"

Mump, I don't see the need to add African, Afro, European, etc. to American. After all, isn't America proud of it's melting pot culture? We are all Americans, plain and simple.
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uhmump95 Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:As long as you are saying that Blacks (I despise the term African American) are better than whites at something it is OK, but as soon as the comparison goes the other way....your a confederate flag waving, sheet wearing, noose tying honkey.

I'm tired of it being allright to insult the white male, but every one else is off limits.

First question, why do you prefer the term Blacks to African-American or Afro-American? Our skin is not black so that would not be the accurate description of our people or where we originated. I like the term Afro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.

Second question, show me something that white people can point to as being better than black people, that they do not have the benefit of slavery and racial prejugdice to give them an edge.
You don't like the term "Black", but you don't have any problem slinging the term"white people" around. Why do we have to have any term for anyone who is an American?

Let me take your comment and change only two words....

Quote:Our skin is not white so that would not be the accurate description of our people or where we originated.&nbsp; I like the term Euro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.

Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it. You are either an American, an African or a European. Pick one and be that.

I am very proud of my heritage and I can trace my ancestors back to Europe, yet I don't consider myself European or Euro-American. In fact I don't throw out my heritage until someone asks, at which point I am very happy to share.

Can you or anyone in your family speak an African language? Can you trace your history to a specific place within Africa? Or are you using only your skin color as your mantra? If so, that is pretty weak. Obviously, I don't know you or your history, but it sure sounds like you have a double standard when it comes to people's ethnic backgrounds and skin color.
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Looks like you beat me to it GrayBeard.....
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uhmump95 Wrote:
DrTorch Wrote:is fine as long as it's Asians and Caucasians...but put African-Americans into the equation and you're suddenly a "racist".

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Where do you draw that conclusion from this article?
I don't. I draw it from past experience. I am able to synthesize novel ideas by using multiple sources.
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Saying your European is like saying you are one of 20 nationalities. I know as Scotch-Irish person my ancestors try to distance themselves from the European Continent as much as possible and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the European Union.
Same goes for Africa. You have so many ethnic groups on the continent it is hard to even count. I spent time in North Africa as a kid when my dad was an engineer and I can tell you they do not consider themselves Africans. There first form of identification is Islamic or Muslim and their ties are to Persia.
Bottom line is the African-American, European-American is a huge generalization.
My family has been in North America since 1639, before America was even around. The only thing I have ever considered myself is American. People can feel free to call themselves whatever they like it really doesent matter to me.
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uhmump95 Wrote:...&nbsp; I like the term Afro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.

Second question, show me something that white people can point to as being better than black people, that they do not have the benefit of slavery and racial prejugdice to give them an edge.
how far back we goin?

the cradle of civilization supposedly is between the tigris and euphrates. i guess that makes me iraqi or middle eastern.

and i think louis leakey was on top of things with his studies of the origin of humankind. i guess that makes me african-american too.

and more recently, those migrating iraqi/african folks settled in germania and ireland, after workin their way up thru the eastern and southern lands. then they shipped out for the good old usa.

this racial identity gets awful confusing. i'll stick with "american," thanks.

as to the second question, any response i could give you would automatically be treated as racist, so why bother? you might want to consider the overall socio-politico-economic condition of the african continent cesspool though when asking that 2nd question.
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Quote:You don't like the term "Black", but you don't have any problem slinging the term"white people" around.

I did not say I did not like the term "Black". I asked GrayBeard why he preferred "Black" to another term.
Quote: Why do we have to have any term for anyone who is an American?

Isn't preferring to refer to me or my people as "Black", "Colored", or "Negro"(which means black) just saying that you like your term for me instead of a term that I would choose for myself? I mean if we are all American why refer to me as Black at all......
Quote:Let me take your comment and change only two words....

Quote:Our skin is not white so that would not be the accurate description of our people or where we originated.&nbsp; I like the term Euro-American myself since that denotes where my people originated.

Sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it. You are either an American, an African or a European. Pick one and be that.

You could use Euro-American if you want to, but there is already a term that refers to where your people originated it is called Caucasian and it was a term that your people chose for yourself, it wasn't given to you by another race.
Quote:Can you or anyone in your family speak an African language? Can you trace your history to a specific place within Africa? Or are you using only your skin color as your mantra?

The answer to all three of those questions are "No", but only the last question is the one that I had the choice in the answer.
Quote:Obviously, I don't know you or your history, but it sure sounds like you have a double standard when it comes to people's ethnic backgrounds and skin color.

No double standards here. I treat everyone the way that I would want to be treated. I am here for the discussion. I am asking question (that are racially charged of course, but this was a racially charged thread from the beginning) and I am enjoying reading everyone's responses.
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Mr. UHMump95,

I am not white. Kind of pinkish, but please do not refer to me as "white", "pinko", "whitey" or any other name relating to a color.

Nor do I have any ancestry from the Caucasus, so please do not call me Caucasian. I not only don't like it, I didn't choose it.

My ancestry primarily comes from Germany, England, and Spain. Please refer to me in the future as a "Germano-Anglo-Hispano-American". The order is unimportant, at least to me. It might be important to other Hispano-Germano-Anglo-Americans, so it would be best to ask in each indivual case.

I will refer to you as "African-American", if that is your pleasure.

Sidebar: I once met a very dark man from Fiji. He thought it was tremendously amusing that we Americans insisted on referring to him as an "African-American", since he was neither of African descent nor American citizenry.
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If Gary Player were to move here, would he be considered an "African-American" UHmump?

Seriously, get over this hyphenated BS. I'm OF Scottish, German, Irish, and Cherokee descent. I AM American.
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You know, I just had a thought. There were SO many black Americans that fought, and many died, for the same rights as white people, an effin WORTHY CAUSE!!, why, now, is it SO important to try and minimize the country and your heritage? I, for one, do NOT think black people, born and bred here, have African culture anymore than I have Scottish or Irish culture. Soul food? It's from the South.

Seriously, I do want to know that. If I had fought and had friends die for the cause of getting my damn equal rights, I damn sure wouldn't subjugate them with hyphens.

American by birth. I will go to war with Germany, Ireland, AND Scotland to protect my homeland. Would you do the same uhMump?
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