Professors! i never recognized how liberal college campuses were until i became a freshman this past august at Western Carolina University. People would always tell me how liberal campuses were, but i never imagined it was like this. I'm in the friggin bible belt, yet i don't have one right wing prof. all of them are libs, and hardcore at that. my english prof. never teaches anything, he just spends the whole time trying to brainwash every student in the class with his drivel. He degrades Bush, fox news and other repub. things. at one point he told us that he is completely open to differing opinions in the class and that we should all speak up. that's great and all, but unfortunately he pushes his views in such a menacing, sure of him self way, that everyone is so afraid to share their views, so they nod their heads at whatever he says, and allow themselves to brainwashed. They never question what he says, they take it like it's all fact.

i've finally recognized why so many people not in the working world are liberals... the dems get to them through their biased outlet, the teachers. it's really sad and pathetic.

If you venture into the business school area, you will usually find a much more balanced group (often even leaning right). If you were to specialize in accounting, then you would have a right side dominated group of professors.

True story--In my last semester in Grad School I got some bonus points on a test for attacking the liberal media in one of my essay questions. :D

GrayBeard Wrote:If you venture into the business school area, you will usually find a much more balanced group (often even leaning right). If you were to specialize in accounting, then you would have a right side dominated group of professors.

True story--In my last semester in Grad School I got some bonus points on a test for attacking the liberal media in one of my essay questions. :D

I totally agree with graybeard. What do you expect out of someone who majored in English?!? It all depends on the class you are taking, and if you get to the business school, engineering school, or medical school you will most definitely see a shift in viewpoint.

I've always thought this whole "liberal professors" thing is overblown, because they always point out the english/philosophy professors, but never the business school professors...

There is an old saying, that if you are not a liberal when you are young, you don't have a heart, and if you are not a conservative when you are older, you don't have a brain. There is a good deal of truth in this, as most of us start out as idealists and life experiences slowly make us see the conservative side of things. That's what happened to me. Coming out of college I thought it was obscene to make a profit, that businessmen exploited the worker class, and I wanted to make my living in some way that didn't exploit my fellow man - like teaching in college. If I had been able to find a job in academia, I probably would have become a left-wing nutjob professor, leading protests and damning corporations as evil. But I couldn't, I had to go into the real world, and I learned that profit is not a 4-letter word. I think these profs are just old students who never had to face hard decisions that people in the business world, from blue collar workers to CEOs, face daily. Hiring/firing, meeting payroll, customer service, etc., tend to change one's viewpoints. None of them ever had to put up everything they own as collateral to they could make payroll and continue in business and keep their workers on payroll. There is a reason academia is called the "ivory tower". Sometimes I think of conservatives as "check signers" and liberals as "check cashers". That is a gross oversimplification, of course, as would be any other system that divides people into only two groups. I still have many liberal viewpoints mixed in with my conservative viewpoints, and must sometimes find a balance between them. For example, i understand the importance of maintaining habitat for endangered species. I also understand the need for some companies to have access to national forests and the important of that to their employees and to the state and national economies involved. I could not come down 100% on either side, but compromise solutions are possible and should be found.

Well, I guess I have everybody mad at me now. Keep using your head and you will be OK.

OO, I think you have it pretty much correct.

In my experiences, many of your business school professors finished college and then made a good/great living in the capitalist market. At some point in their career they felt a desire to give back to the industry by helping train the newbies, so they go back to school, get their PHD and go teach. When they do this they bring their world experiences with them.

English, Science, Philosophy style professors on many occasions never leave the "ivory tower". They go straight from College to teaching. Let's face it, there are just not a lot of jobs outside of academia for these types of degrees. Since they never leave the college world, they never have a chance to formulate any opinion other than what they were force fed as students.

It's all about your experiences.

flyingswoosh Wrote:i've finally recognized why so many people not in the working world are liberals... the dems get to them through their biased outlet, the teachers. it's really sad and pathetic.

Bingo!

If you train yourself well, you can humble your Eng prof...maybe he can get back to teaching something.

Here's a link for your review...keep the info in your back pocket:

<a href='http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=BreakPoint1&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=16846' target='_blank'>http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section...ContentID=16846</a>

GrayBeard Wrote:English, Science, Philosophy style professors on many occasions never leave the "ivory tower". They go straight from College to teaching. Let's face it, there are just not a lot of jobs outside of academia for these types of degrees. Since they never leave the college world, they never have a chance to formulate any opinion other than what they were force fed as students.

It's all about your experiences.

Some go on to be journalists...and it's the same effect (right Schadenfreud?)

How many journalists have ever done something, as opposed to read about it?

Anyway, I was fortunate. I rarely saw any of this. Of course I spent 3 years at a pretty conservative college...but even at BG, it didn't come up.

At ASU the chem department just didn't want to deal w/ these things. So they avoided controversial subjects in the classroom. They were busy doing research and trying to get grants, they couldn't afford the time and energy dealing w/ unhappy students.

Once again, liberal arts profs don't pursue too many grants, and unfortunately, their peers expect a very liberal bias in any of their publications.

I dont know what we are yelling about!

Loud Noises!

DrTorch Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i've finally recognized why so many people not in the working world are liberals... the dems get to them through their biased outlet, the teachers.&nbsp; it's really sad and pathetic.

Bingo!

If you train yourself well, you can humble your Eng prof...maybe he can get back to teaching something.

Here's a link for your review...keep the info in your back pocket:

<a href='http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=BreakPoint1&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=16846' target='_blank'>http://www.pfm.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section...ContentID=16846</a>

i knew it went on, but i just could never have imagined. Everybody says that all republicans sound like parrots, especially when they back their president. but dems nobody ever mentions that the dems have their own giant brainwashing unit. what's also key, is that these conservative students are all away from their parents, and are at a loss as to where to look to see opinions different from their profs.

i would also like to add, that my english professor refers to people who agree with him as "educated people." i guess we who disagree, are the idiots.

flyingswoosh Wrote:what's also key, is that these conservative students are all away from their parents, and are at a loss as to where to look to see opinions different from their profs.

Well, I don't have sympathy for that. There are plenty of books and websites like the Breakpoint one, that strive to provide commentary that contrasts the standard liberal university professor.

Breakpoint does even offer a "kit" for students heading off to school. Although, I'm not enamored w/ every point that they raise.

Quote:i would also like to add, that my english professor refers to people who agree with him as "educated people."&nbsp; i guess we who disagree, are the idiots.

That's fine, simply refer to people who disagree w/ him as "intelligent people". You might also remind him of the sorry state of education in this country, and that the adjective "educated" isn't necessarily a compliment.

I don't know though. Professors didn't f*ck with me, although I'm not sure if I ever had any ultra-liberal ones. If I did, they were professional enough not to proseletyze in class.

I did even have a physics prof get a nervous look after I brought up some obscure point (correctly). He asked, "How did you know that?"
I said, "I know everything!" (Quoting the great Alex P. Keaton).
Then he got a concerned look, like, "Someone might actually know if I make a mistake!"

Anyway, I'm certainly not a top physicist, but I'll bet your liberal prof is a blow-hard that will back down if you call his bluff with some researched facts.

Flying Swoosh,
Having spent four years taking courses in the ECU Political Science Dept, I can relate. Liberal Professors usually preach the gospel on affirmative action as long as that does not include hiring conservative professors. All I can say is stand up for yourself and call them on their B.S. moveon.org talking points when they spew them.
One of the things I would like to do when I retire in about ten years is go back and take liberal arts courses at ECU and terrorize everyone of the professors while I dont give a crap about my grade.

Ahhh good ole Dr. Torch full of himself as always......

RocketAlum Wrote:Ahhh good ole Dr. Torch full of himself as always......

Let's see, you come on here post about the pompous right, then call Torch full of himself, so you would be the loving left?

Give me a break, don't be such a hypocrite.

Whatever.....I've read his well researched facts over the last few years and if his views on intelligent design speak volumes.

mlb Wrote:I totally agree with graybeard. What do you expect out of someone who majored in English?!? It all depends on the class you are taking, and if you get to the business school, engineering school, or medical school you will most definitely see a shift in viewpoint.

I've always thought this whole "liberal professors" thing is overblown, because they always point out the english/philosophy professors, but never the business school professors...

Yeah, in the engineering school we often learned about something often neglected by liberalism and conservatism...realism. See problem...assess problam and evaluate solutions...fix problem if possible...do not argue about whether or not said problem and/or solution fits your agenda, just get it done.

RocketAlum Wrote:Whatever.....I've read his well researched facts over the last few years and if his views on intelligent design speak volumes.

And those volumes would be?

That I:

Am capable of thinking for myself?

Am capable of doing research?

Have progressed past outdated 19th C theories?

Demand evidence to support scientific theories?

Don't turn off my mind and believe everything someone says just because they are a professor?

Sorry I come across so negative to you. Just trying to encourage Flying Swoosh that professors that use their podium as a bully pulpit can be quieted. As a freshman I could have used that advice.

DrTorch Wrote:Demand evidence to support scientific theories?

Just a question... if you demand evidence for scientific theories, shouldn't you demand evidence of "intelligent design"? I think both sides leave a lot to be desired in terms of support. We all have our own beliefs, but nobody can fully support their belief.

99Tiger Wrote:

mlb Wrote:I totally agree with graybeard. What do you expect out of someone who majored in English?!? It all depends on the class you are taking, and if you get to the business school, engineering school, or medical school you will most definitely see a shift in viewpoint.

I've always thought this whole "liberal professors" thing is overblown, because they always point out the english/philosophy professors, but never the business school professors...

Yeah, in the engineering school we often learned about something often neglected by liberalism and conservatism...realism. See problem...assess problam and evaluate solutions...fix problem if possible...do not argue about whether or not said problem and/or solution fits your agenda, just get it done.

Maybe we should elect more engineers and less lawyers.

OptimisticOwl Wrote:Maybe we should elect more engineers and less lawyers.

Most engineers would do a better job than many of the politicians...except most of them are too damn introverted to campaign or speak publically!

99Tiger Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:Maybe we should elect more engineers and less lawyers.

Most engineers would do a better job than many of the politicians...except most of them are too damn introverted to campaign or speak publically!

Tell me about it. :laugh: OwlJacket would make a horrible politician -- one of the many things I like about him! :D