OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:It's funny that the Republicans appointed the only black to the supreme court, the only black national security adviser, and the only black sec of state.

Did the Republicans appoint the first black supreme court justice? If not than Thomas was a hand picked "boy" used to fill a quota.

Quote:I bet Condi Rice gets the 2008 nomination and beats Hillary. There is no way Hillary can win if Rice gets 25% of the black vote.

Condi won't get the nomination for Republican party. I feel most of the member of that party would vote for a Yellow Dog before they would vote for a black or a woman for President. A black woman would not have a chance.

RebelKev Wrote:As for this new candidate, this was stupid. Janice Rogers Brown or Estrada would have been a MUCH better pick. I am disappointed. This, IMO, is cronyism.

No doubt that Miers is not the most qualified candidate, but if you want to know why she was selected, look to <a href='http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007358' target='_blank'>David Souter</a>. This president did not want to make the same mistake as his father (and his commitment to religious agendas is unquestionably much stronger), hence the reasons that he not looking seriously at anyone but former counsels.

A recent article that I read (Dallas Morning News?) talked about the man who invited her to the church she currently attends, perhaps 20 years ago or so. When asked whether he discussed the topic of abortion with her, his response was "No, there was never any need to". Hence, GWB is being honest when he says that he doesn't discuss such particulars with his candidates - he doesn't have to.

None of this explains why Harry Reid was duped into pushing her candidacy. The utter stupidity of the Democratic leadership apparently knows no bounds.

uhmump95 Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:It's funny that the Republicans appointed the only black to the supreme court, the only black national security adviser, and the only black sec of state.

Did the Republicans appoint the first black supreme court justice? If not than Thomas was a hand picked "boy" used to fill a quota.

Quote:I bet Condi Rice gets the 2008 nomination and beats Hillary. There is no way Hillary can win if Rice gets 25% of the black vote.

Condi won't get the nomination for Republican party. I feel most of the member of that party would vote for a Yellow Dog before they would vote for a black or a woman for President. A black woman would not have a chance.

Maybe this is not what you meant, but the way I understand your comment on the Supreme Court is that every black appointee after the first will be a hand picked boy used to fill a quota. That doesn't make sense to me. Please explain more fully.

I disagree with you about Condi's candidacy also. I think the vast majority of the party would vote for her in a heartbeat. In fact, I think she would win. Most of us don't care about a person's race or sex so much as we care about their appproach to politics. Just as a lot of us would much rather see Janis Rogers Brown nominated instead of Harriette Miers, because we are comfortable with her political attitudes. Certainly there would be a small fringe who would not vote for a black or a woman, but that same fringe can be found in the Democratic Party. I know, I drive two of them to the polls.

RebelKev Wrote:As for this new candidate, this was stupid. Janice Rogers Brown or Estrada would have been a MUCH better pick. I am disappointed. This, IMO, is cronyism.

WTF, RebelKev and I agree!

Quote:Maybe this is not what you meant, but the way I understand your comment on the Supreme Court is that every black appointee after the first will be a hand picked boy used to fill a quota. That doesn't make sense to me. Please explain more fully.

The first black Justice was Thurgood Marshall. Thomas got appointed to the supreme court when Marshall died. If the only time a black person gets nominated to the supreme court is when another black person dies, that is a quota which means there can only be one black supreme court justice at a time.

Quote:I disagree with you about Condi's candidacy also. I think the vast majority of the party would vote for her in a heartbeat

You are naive. When you look at the leading conservatives what do you see? "White men". If Miers was a male, you would not see all of these Republicans complaining about her nomination. There I said it!!!

uhmump95 Wrote:You are naive. When you look at the leading conservatives what do you see? "White men". If Miers was a male, you would not see all of these Republicans complaining about her nomination. There I said it!!!

I disagree with that. Miers has plenty of problems other than not being male. :D

uhmump95 Wrote:

Quote:Maybe this is not what you meant, but the way I understand your comment on the Supreme Court is that every black appointee after the first will be a hand picked boy used to fill a quota. That doesn't make sense to me. Please explain more fully.

The first black Justice was Thurgood Marshall. Thomas got appointed to the supreme court when Marshall died. If the only time a black person gets nominated to the supreme court is when another black person dies, that is a quota which means there can only be one black supreme court justice at a time.

Quote:I disagree with you about Condi's candidacy also. I think the vast majority of the party would vote for her in a heartbeat

You are naive. When you look at the leading conservatives what do you see? "White men". If Miers was a male, you would not see all of these Republicans complaining about her nomination. There I said it!!!

Even if he was picked to fill a quaota, that doesn't make him a "boy". We see the same thing with this latest nominee - since the justice stepping down was a woman, there was a lot of pressure from both sides but more so the left to replace her with a woman, to maintain "balance". Yes, it does appear that we are falling into a quota system, but that doesn't make Thomas a "hand-picked boy".

As for the second part, you don't have to start name-calling. I thought we were having an adult discussion. Ok when you look at the leading liberals, who do you see? "White men" - and one white woman. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Al Gore, Michael Moore, Soros, Schumer, yada, yada, yada. They trot out Obama and Jackson when they want, but are they leaders? No.

Condi would get the solid vote of the Republican party because she is conservative. Period. And I would love to see that happen in '08.

I did not call you a name, I said you were naive. Trust me just because you are a conservative who can see yourself voting for Condi doesn't mean the rest of your fellow conservatives feel the same way.

I honestly believe that is Miers was nominated in the same manner with the same credentials and beliefs and she was a male, you would not hear anything from the Republicans.

I do believe that Colin Powell would have been able to pull the Republican nomination and the presidency. Too bad he won't run.

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:I disagree with that. Miers has plenty of problems other than not being male. :D

What are they?

uhmump95 Wrote:I did not call you a name, I said you were naive.&nbsp; Trust me just because you are a conservative who can see yourself voting for Condi doesn't mean the rest of your fellow conservatives feel the same way.

I honestly believe that is Miers was nominated in the same manner with the same credentials and beliefs and she was a male, you would not hear anything from the Republicans.

I do believe that Colin Powell would have been able to pull the Republican nomination and the presidency.&nbsp; Too bad he won't run.

Naive is like stupid, ignorant, whatever. They may be adjectives, but by applying one of them to me you essentially were calling me a name. No biggie - I'm used to it.

It seems to me that you think Condi would not get the full backing of the Republicans because she is a woman, rather than because she is black. Your comments about Miers and Powell lead me to this conclusion.

It seems to be that you are working from the stereotype put forward so often by our enemies that the Republican Party is a bunch of racial bigots who think women belong in the kitchen making coffee. It is not that way - if it were so Bush would not have dared to put blacks, hispanics, women, and especially a black woman in positions of power and visibility in his FIRST term, when he was still seeking reelection. Remember the law of politics - do not anger your base. He knew his base would accept them, and I know it. I just wish I could get you to know it too.

edit: I think the prolem that many conservatives have with Miers is the same as the one liberals have with her, and had with Roberts, and will have with any Bush appointee: They are not confidant that she will vote the way they want on abortion issues.

OptimisticOwl Wrote:edit: I think the prolem that many conservatives have with Miers is the same as the one liberals have with her, and had with Roberts, and will have with any Bush appointee: They are not confidant that she will vote the way they want on abortion issues.

In the end, it doesn't matter if they (proverbial form) are confident - it matters only if GWB is.

uhmump95 Wrote:Condi won't get the nomination for Republican party.

Seen yesterday at the Texas State Fair (didn't think to get a picture): Rice for 2008, Condoleeza for President (it was a white middle aged guy).

I45Owl Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:edit:&nbsp; I think the prolem that many conservatives have with Miers is the same as the one liberals have with her, and had with Roberts, and will have with any Bush appointee: They are not confidant that she will vote the way they want on abortion issues.

In the end, it doesn't matter if they (proverbial form) are confident - it matters only if GWB is.

In the end, the movers move and the shakers shake, and you and I discuss their movings and shakings.