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Deep Blue
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Duke coach Liz Tchou resigned after problems with players and mediocre results, was she the only non white head coach in Duke history? If Duke thinks field hockey should win national titles, they should make a list of the top ten head coaches in the nation and start making offes:

"Kennedy said that anyone would be welcome to apply, including assistants, and that the search would try to find the best person to take the program forward.

"With the resources we put into the program, the demographics from which you recruit, I really believe that [being a perennial championship contender] is the next step, and I am interested to find someone who thinks the Final Four isn't enough," Kennedy said.

A recent athletics department mission statement identified field hockey as one of several potential national contenders based on its current resources."


<a href='http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/12/04/3dee219820efb?in_archive=1' target='_blank'>http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/displa...fb?in_archive=1</a>


Wake Forest's coach Jennifer Averill just won the national championship after 11 years at Wake, she was the nation's best player at Northwestern. Duke should make her an offer, she's the only obvious candidate out there. It will be interesting to see if Alleva can do one thing right, or make another terrible choice, like baseball and football. Wake's baseball, football, and soccer coaches, and AD Ron Wellman would be huge improvements for Duke as well.

Speaking of Wake, how about offering Maya Angelou while she's still alive? She already talks to the freshmen every year, Duke could have offered her a high profile position years or decades ago. With the annual raids on the faculty like Skip Gates by Harvard, etc., and the whining about not enough black faculty, has Duke ever done anything to try to have at least one well known professor on campus, or to hire someone like Dennis Green to be Duke's first black head coach ever? Who the hell's running things at Duke, David Duke? Doesn't K want some great profs and coaches like G on campus? Funny but good Chronicle article:


<a href='http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/08/22/3d64df16076c4?in_archive=1' target='_blank'>http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/displa...c4?in_archive=1</a>


Hopefully the football players who have a problem with Franks will have the balls to get something done like the field hockey girls:

"--- abh4@duke.edu wrote:
> Hello, I was very impressed by your e-mails this
> evening. I was not a
> recipient myself, but I know some football players
> that were, and I was
> asked by them to send you this request: PLEASE send
> what you wrote to The
> Chronicle. This is an issue that needs to be
> addressed, and you have
> highlighted some incredible points that need to be
> seen by the entire Duke
> community. Coach Franks has lost all respect of
> this team and any
> possibility of ever effectively motivating or
> turning this team around.
> The football team also wanted me to say thank you on
> their behalf. "



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We will be happy to give Duke Maya Angelou. :laugh:

But, it really shows how goofy you are when you think that Wake's AD and coaches would leave for Duke.
12-09-2002 09:49 AM
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I guess many at Wake, which lacks diversity and is very conservative and southern, would want Angelou out. Why wouldn't Wake's coaches and AD want to leave for Duke? Duke has better academics, sports, campus, and more money, why would anyone want to stay at Wake? Grobe is a hot commodity after a .500 record at Weak, with interest already from programs like Michigan State and Alabama. Which field hockey, baseball, soccer, and football coaches would be best for Duke?
12-12-2002 10:35 PM
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We want Angelou out because she is not actually a professor. They should call her what she really is, which is a campus celebrity. Meanwhile, she collects a six figure salary. If she would actually teach, that would be a different story, so don't even try to place the race card on this.

You have never been to either campus, so don't even try to say Duke has the better campus. You wouldn't know. I bet you also didn't know that more than half of Wake's student body is not even from the south. You're right that Grobe is a hot commodity. Guess what? He's still here. So is our field hockey coach, baseball coach, soccer coach, and AD. They aren't leaving for Duke or Boston College. Keep dreaming, scumbag.
12-13-2002 09:15 AM
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Right, and Trent Lott adores black people, just like Wake alum Jesse Helms. Didn't you defend the tobacco industry for some reason, so you and others at Wake don't care for Angelou, what do you and other deacons think of Lott, Thurmond, and Helms? Duke has one of the best campuses in the country, often used for movies and TV shows and commercials, etc., I assume you agree Duke has better academics, sports, and more money. 26% of Wake students are from NC, most are from the south, and according to princeton review:

"predominantly white, affluent, clean-cut, and conservative" students....Normalcy reigns supreme on this "very homogenous" campus...."people fall into strict gender roles and prepare to get married".....
Unfortunately, "race relations on campus are poor," and there is a "definite lack of interracial interaction" among various ethnic and racial groups. There are also "many rifts and divisions between Greek and non-Greek students," and "a very clear division" exists "between socioeconomic groups." Wake regularly admits a throng of "wealthy" students who are "rich and spoiled but polite and likeable." Finally, Wake also boasts "quite a large Christian population" as well"

Sounds like Bob Jones University, is he a Wake grad as well? What is it like being a Wake fan, do they dread winning seasons which draw attention to their coach? Must be awful, if Alabama and Michigan State are already interested, what happens if he has better than a .500 record, just how pathetic is Wake football supposed to be? Why wouldn't your field hockey, baseball, or soccer coaches, or AD, leave for better schools and athletic programs and more money, like at Duke, wouldn't all coaches leave for that given the opportunity?

Who are the best candidates for Duke field hockey, baseball, and soccer? Rennie won a championship in mens soccer, he just needs a good recruiter on the staff. Duke should be much better in field hockey, womens soccer, and baseball, baseball coach is a friend of Alleva so he may leave when Alleva is fired. ACC has lots of good field hockey programs like UNC, Wake, and UMD.
12-15-2002 06:25 PM
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Don't play the race card on me, mother@#$%^&. How do you know I am not black?

You use a statement about Maya "I don't work but I make $500,000" Angelou to bring up three politicians who have absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed. That's kind of ironic considering Teddy Kennedy, Barney Frank, and the dozens of other idiots that represent your home state. Jesse Helms is not a Wake alum. Is that what they tell you in Massachusettes? He went to Wake for a semester. You know, kind of like how you went to one semester of high school, but never graduated. I think I may have found the source of your hatred for Wake, besides the fact that you never would have been admitted. Duke's West campus is very pretty. I bet you didn't even know there was an east and west, having never been there. Duke has a larger endowment than Wake. I couldn't care less. That will not be enough to lure our AD and coaches away. Wake regularly beats Duke in two of the three sports I care about, and your favorite, Field Hockey. So, I am happy. Academics at Wake are comparable to Duke's. Duke simply has a higher ranking in the same publication that ranks Wake ahead of guess who? Boston College, numb nuts! My condolences on you not getting accepted.

Congratulations on finding a generalized, outdated review from a liberal magazine that doubles for toilet paper. Do you really think that convinces anyone other than morons like yourself who have never even visited college campuses? You repeatedly make derogatory comments about the south, yet you claim you graduated from Duke, located in the south.

No, Bob Jones is not a Wake grad. Is Teddy "Waterboy" Kennedy a Boston College grad? We may very well lose our football coach to a large program sometime in the future, but it will not be to Duke. The fact that you think that would happen negates all possibility that you have ever been to a football game at Duke. Tell you what. Why don't you call our Athletic Director and ask him to come to Duke? Tell him to bring all of his coaches with him. Are you allowed to make phone calls in the psychiatric ward?
12-16-2002 09:14 AM
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Wake's current women's basketball coach, <a href='http://wakeforestsports.ocsn.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/curtis_charlene00.html' target='_blank'>Charlene Curtis</a>, is black. She not only is improving the program, but is becoming known as an excellent recruiter in bringing some top-notch athletes to play in Wake's program. She also re-upped her contract recently, so she obviously is quite happy with her employment at Wake Forest.

Now how many minority head coaches are on the Duke payroll in major sports?



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As I pointed out elsewhere, Wake is one of the few Division I-A programs to have ever had an African-American head football coach.

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12-16-2002 10:55 AM
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Deep Blue/BlueDevil: I'm getting real tired of the "All Southerners are racists" implications you make in your diatribes. You are the one that looks bigoted.
12-16-2002 02:15 PM
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Princetonreview.com didn't say that about Wake and race relations, Wake students did. Helms is a Wake alum according to every Wake fan on their only popular forum, accboards. At least one person at Wake isn't a racist, AD Ron Wellman, yet another reason for Duke to consider him. Seriously, I'm not implying everyone at Wake is a racist, just surprised that many would want Angelou out, and having fun with big pimpin deac, is there some reason you didn't answer about Lott, Strom, and Helms? What about humorless Billy Packer who called Iverson a "tough monkey"? That guy acts like bballers are indentured servants who are obligated to entertain him and make money for colleges and the college basketball industry of which he is a part, while apparently white figure skaters and tennis players can do what they want. Saw him attack Vitale on ESPN because Packer works for CBS and Mr. Cash, and claim Lebron James is overrated, doesn't have a father and his mother isn't able to handle big decisions, for someone who only saw Lebron play once on TV, how would he know? The fact that Grobe may go to a program like Alabama after a .500 record at Weak makes him an unlikely hire for Duke, besides there are plenty of other coaches out there with better records in conferences like the MAC, etc. Getting back to the point of this thread, Duke is looking for a field hockey coach to win national championships, who would be the best choice?



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Deep Blue Wrote:and according to princeton review:

"predominantly white, affluent, clean-cut, and conservative" students....Normalcy reigns supreme on this "very homogenous" campus...."people fall into strict gender roles and prepare to get married".....
Unfortunately, "race relations on campus are poor," and there is a "definite lack of interracial interaction" among various ethnic and racial groups. There are also "many rifts and divisions between Greek and non-Greek students," and "a very clear division" exists "between socioeconomic groups." Wake regularly admits a throng of "wealthy" students who are "rich and spoiled but polite and likeable." Finally, Wake also boasts "quite a large Christian population" as well"
Here, the Princeton Review said it.



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Deep Blue Wrote:Princetonreview.com didn't say that about Wake and race relations, Wake students did.
Here, Wake students said it. Tomorrow, Elvis will have said it. Which is it, Deep Throat?



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I frequent accboards.com as much as I do this site, and I have never seen Jesse Helms referred to as a Wake alum. You are just trying to pass off incorrect information onto others. Let me repeat this slowly for your feeble mind. Jesse Helms is not a Wake alum. Just like you are not a Duke alum. The two of you have something in common. I already explained to you why we want Maya Angelou out. She doesn't do anything but sit at home and cash a fat check. I don't care if she is black, white, yellow, green, or purple. She is worthless and race has absolutely nothing to do with it! Why don't you go answer the questions that nate and I posted for you on the thread you continue to dodge, then I will be happy to answer any questions you like concerning Lott, Helms, and Thurmond. You especially should not complain about others not answering questions when that is all you do. Then, you disappear for a month only to come back and post the same nonsense.

Billy Packer is an idiot, plain and simple. He is a horrible announcer and an overall jerk. I obviously don't agree with what he said about Iverson, but I think it was a slip of the tongue. If he had said "tough little tiger, lion, bear, etc.", nobody would have cared. And, I really couldn't care less if he insulted Dick Vitale or Lebron James. Grobe an "unlikely hire for Duke"? Try impossible.
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At princetonreview.com, Wake students describe the school as being full of spoiled rich white kids and having bad race and class relations, etc.


accboards.com has been discussing Wake alums like Jesse Helms a lot recently:


<a href='http://citadel2.ezboard.com/fwakeforestfrm1.showMessage?topicID=10743.topic' target='_blank'>http://citadel2.ezboard.com/fwakeforestfrm...cID=10743.topic</a>

"WIDTTF
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famous wake alumnus (nst)
Posted: 12/12/02 9:52:36 pm
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after reading on another thread that jesse helms is a wake alum, i got to thinking, what other grads from wake have gone on to become household names? and as the title suggests this is more than just famous sports alumnus although please include them too. this interests me because on more than one occasion people who are interested in attending wake have asked me who has graduated from wake that they would know. i don't know why that has any bearing on why they would go to school there but i would like some names to drop in addition to my speech on why they shouldn't pick a school based on who graduated from it.

my contribution (which is mostly sports):

maya angelou (i know she didn't go but close enough)
arnold palmer
tim duncan
ricky proehl
michael mccrary
muggsy bogues (sp?)
jesse helms (this one just added since reading the last
post)

that's about the extent of my knowledge, i'm sure there are more in the back of my head somewhere. pardon my ignorance on this subject, but that's why i'm asking. ...


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Posted: 12/12/02 10:09:57 pm
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This subject has been covered on these boards before, but Wake (and most schools I know of) defines "alumnus" as anyone who attends for at least a year and leaves in good standing. Arnold Palmer and Jesse Helms meet that guideline. Of course Maya Angelou is a member of the faculty who did not attend Wake Forest. (She has an honorary degree, but so do many other famous people who never attended).

Another famous alum is the late Carroll O'Connor, the actor (TV's Archie Bunker), who wrote about his year at Wake in his autobiography. ..


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I thought Jesse Helms went to Wingate College or something like that. And I thought his only connection to Wake was that he went to Southern Seminary for a year or to at the old Wake campus. I do believe Jesse's grandson went to Wake though.

All right, I just found this from doing a google search

"Senator Helms was born in Monroe, North Carolina on October 18, 1921. He attended the Monroe public schools, Wingate (NC) Junior College and Wake Forest College""


So Carroll O'Connor who played a racist on TV went to Wake, along with Jesse Helms, Jesse's grandson, Packer, and big pimpin deac, and the students claim it's white, conservative, with bad race relations. Don't worry, you don't need to spell out how you feel about Lott, Strom, and Helms, your sudden silence on only that issue and no other, particularly with the current firestorm surrounding Lott, along with your past conservative posts defending tobacco and slamming Angelou speaks volumes. By the way, you asked how do I know you're not black, I don't know, are you? How lame would it be for some anonymous white dude trying to prove he isn't a racist to imply that he may be black? Back to the original topic, Duke wants to win field hockey national championships, which coaches should it offer? Same with baseball and other sports. Duke also needs a good AD that is willing to hire black coaches and other great coaches, any suggestions? Are there any other Duke students or alumni here or anyone that actually cares about Duke athletics in general, if not, has anyone been promoting this site?
12-17-2002 09:56 AM
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I just told you I would be glad to discuss Lott, Helms, and Thurmond with you after you answer the questions that were asked of you regarding your affiliation (or lack thereof) with Duke. Your silence means you don't know how to answer them because you have never even been to the Duke campus. You can even start a new thread on Trent, Jesse, and Strom if you like. Just remember, you brought their names up, not me. At no time did I praise any of them, quote them, or even discuss them at all. By the way, Carroll O'Connor is an actor. By your logic, Arnold Schwarzenegger is also a real life robot serial killer because he played one in a movie.

You are the racist here Deep Throat, because you are the one saying that I have to be a white, conservative bigot if I don't like Maya Angelou. You mean if I am black, I am not allowed to be conservative and I have to adore Maya Angelou? You are suggesting that black people have to play a role and shouldn't be allowed to choose how they want to feel.
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Hey Deep Devil,

Sounds like you may still be a little bitter over the election. Not to worry though, all your favorites in Massachusettes won! :laugh:
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Deep Blue: Give up before you dig yourself any deeper. BPD is making you look like a fool....

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Big Pimpin Deac Wrote:Billy Packer is an idiot, plain and simple. He is a horrible announcer and an overall jerk. I obviously don't agree with what he said about Iverson, but I think it was a slip of the tongue. If he had said "tough little tiger, lion, bear, etc.", nobody would have cared. And, I really couldn't care less if he insulted Dick Vitale or Lebron James. Grobe an "unlikely hire for Duke"? Try impossible.
Amen.

Some CBS televised game Packer was doing was unbearable.

Horvoth, the Mcdonald's All American, and his frontcourt teammate Casey Saunders love to dish the ball out to JJ Ridick.

WTF? :bang:
12-17-2002 05:23 PM
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What's interesting is that you seem willing to discuss absolutely everything else except the most popular topic in the whole country for the last week, racism among politicians and particularly republicans Lott, Strom, and Helms. Out of 1000 topics, you're perfectly willing to discuss 999 of them, including Angelou and Packer, etc., but your true feelings as a far right wing conservative on Lott, Strom, or Helms is verboten, because why, you're embarassed? Hilarious. So you refuse for some hidden reason to talk about the most popular current event topic in America now, and an extremely important topic no matter when it is brought up, and you claim it's because an anonymous message board poster feels no need to prove to anyone that what he said about himself is true, when you yourself don't talk about yourself at all on this same board? Actually I did say I was a Duke alum fan, whether anyone believes that or not is entirely up to them. On the other hand, you revealed or claimed absolutely nothing about yourself, not even that you ever went to Wake, and even implied that you might be black while trying to prove you're not racist. I never said anything about having to be a white conservative bigot if you don't like Angelou, or that blacks have to think alike, in fact you're the one who suggested that. Carroll O'Connor played a racist bigot on TV, and did it exremely well, do you think maybe he saw some of that in his life, perhaps at Wake? Wake students sure think so based on their own statements in the 21st century, how bad was it in the 60s, or 40s when helms was there?

Interesting stuff about Wake alum Jesse Helms, angry white male racist who embraced apartheid, Confederate flag, segregation, and a fundamentalist Christian society where certain types weren't welcome, gee, wonder where he learned that?:

""Jesse Helms understood before anyone else that the proverbial angry white male feels the most aggrieved, and is therefore the most likely to vote," says Larry Sabato, a professor of government at the University of Virginia. "Jesse Helms was an angry white male before most of his compatriots were. He should have been lucky enough to be on the ballot in '94. He would have won easily."

Unlike many of his Republican counterparts, Helms has changed little over the past 50 years. Long before Rush Limbaugh, Helms pioneered the use of television to rally public sentiment. While Ronald Reagan was losing primaries to Gerald Ford, Helms mobilized the religious right and built one of the most profitable political fundraising machines ever. And long after die-hard segregationists like George Wallace and Strom Thurmond began courting black voters, Helms fueled white fears by opposing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., whistling "Dixie" while standing next to Senator Carol Moseley-Braun, and supporting apartheid in South Africa.

"His racial politics are deeply held convictions, not simply politics of convenience," says Christopher Scott. "He has a view of a fundamentalist Christian society in which everyone is not welcome. If you could pick up the South Africa of 20 years ago and transplant it to America, that's what he would do." "


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Speaking of angry white males, you sure are angry repeatedly calling people you never met scumbag and mother******, because of sports discussions, board demographics and your extremely insecure posting style indicates a pathetic excuse for a male, and since 99% of Wake fans are students or alums, 90% of which are white, and since 90% of blacks are Democrats or liberals which you clearly aren't, there's probably more than a 99% chance you're exactly the constituency Helms dreamed about!

You say about Angelou: "She doesn't do anything but sit at home and cash a fat check... She is worthless", yeah I'm sure that's exactly the way it is instead of her being Wake's most distinguished prof by far, and all reasonable people who aren't racists would agree with you, ha ha ha.

By the way, it's funny how you think Packer is an idiotic jerk who even sucks as an announcer despite calling the Final Four every year, yet the ONE thing you clumsily defend about him is his racist "tough monkey" comment:

"Billy Packer is an idiot, plain and simple. He is a horrible announcer and an overall jerk. I obviously don't agree with what he said about Iverson, but I think it was a slip of the tongue. If he had said "tough little tiger, lion, bear, etc.", nobody would have cared."

Interesting how you just assume that such a slip of the tongue doesn't indicate any hidden racism, when it is clearly objectionable and that's why everyone slammed him and Packer apologized for it. Of course Lott would have been strung up long ago if he had said anything like that, so your views on his situation are obvious, as if it wasn't already given your extreme conservatism, dislike of Angelou, and sudden silence on that and only that issue given the current criticism from right and left of Lott. Wow, you may be more conservative and bigoted than Rush Limbaugh, ha ha ha. By the way, I was happy about the results of the last 2 elections, for financial and anti terror reasons and not some of the other garbage the republicans support, I know to some knee jerk idiots who support every stupid thing about the republicans or democrats, such objectivity and independent thought is unfathomable. I just want to thank you BPD for one of the most entertaining and satisfying discussions ever on a message board, revealing racist tendencies in a complete jerk who has attacked me for no reason has been an extremely rewarding and educational experience, I feel like I've helped to contribute to the national debate on race. So, any suggestions for field hockey and other coaches, nate, anyone??



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That was the longest diatribe against right wing politics I have ever seen. :rolleyes:
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