nate jonesacc Wrote:It boils down to this.

Put Duhon on Maryland and put Gilchrist on Duke and Duke would be only top 10 and Maryland would be top 25.

I PROMISE YOU that would happen.

So Duhon would make UMD a better team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You act like JC has no assists this year. He averages 5 a game while Duhon averages 7. If anything, JC would open the inside up even more for the Duke big men because of his scoring ability. No one in the ACC even needs to guard Duhon. So what I think is...Duke would be undefeated if JC was on your team and UMD would be 8-6.

kaisersayzo Wrote:If anything, JC would open the inside up even more for the Duke big men because of his scoring ability. No one in the ACC even needs to guard Duhon. So what I think is...Duke would be undefeated if JC was on your team and UMD would be 8-6.

WTF are you talking about? Duhon, Redick, and Deng spread the floor and open it up for Williams down low. They don't need aother guy who can score to spread the floor. They do that with Duhon bringing the ball up the floor and establishing the halfcourt offense. You can't just leave Redick unguarded because he'll light it up from downtown. If you don't guard Duhon, he will take it to the rack. That's where all his points come from. He drives off screens from Williams and Deng at the top of the key and takes it to the left side for layups. He's not the great shooter he originally was suppose to be, but he still is a person you have to guard. Thus the 9.9 PPG.

JC has a 1.6:1 Assist/TO ratio, while Duhon has 2.5:1 Assist/TO ratio. Once again, it is not Duhon's job to score but run the offense, get the ball past halfcourt, find the open man, and maintain the teams focus. JC wouldn't be helping the team by turning the ball over more often. JC has a different role on MD because he is expected to score. If he doesn't, who else is going to score those 15.1 PPG for your team?

If JC ran our team, games like Texas with guard play would harass him all the way up the floor. While Duhon running MD, would mean they would still be missing nearly 6 pts they would get from JC.

Bottom line: Duke would not be better with JC. MD would not be better with Duhon.

T-Monay820 Wrote:WTF are you talking about? Duhon, Redick, and Deng spread the floor and open it up for Williams down low. They don't need aother guy who can score to spread the floor. They do that with Duhon bringing the ball up the floor and establishing the halfcourt offense. You can't just leave Redick unguarded because he'll light it up from downtown. If you don't guard Duhon, he will take it to the rack. That's where all his points come from. He drives off screens from Williams and Deng at the top of the key and takes it to the left side for layups. He's not the great shooter he originally was suppose to be, but he still is a person you have to guard. Thus the 9.9 PPG.

JC has a 1.6:1 Assist/TO ratio, while Duhon has 2.5:1 Assist/TO ratio. Once again, it is not Duhon's job to score but run the offense, get the ball past halfcourt, find the open man, and maintain the teams focus. JC wouldn't be helping the team by turning the ball over more often. JC has a different role on MD because he is expected to score. If he doesn't, who else is going to score those 15.1 PPG for your team?

If JC ran our team, games like Texas with guard play would harass him all the way up the floor. While Duhon running MD, would mean they would still be missing nearly 6 pts they would get from JC.

Bottom line: Duke would not be better with JC. MD would not be better with Duhon.

This was never a discussion about how good JJ and Deng are. I am a UMD fan and have never seen a better 1 - 2 punch in my life. JJ has the most flawless quick release I have ever seen. He would be even better if he played any defense what so ever. Deng on the other hand is so good, he is almost guaranteed to be a 3rd or 4th pick in this years draft. Enjoy him wile he is around.

We are talking about over-rated Duhon vs. under-rated Gilcrist. I will not argue that the assist/turnover ration favors Duhon (and most likely will for the rest of the season). What you seem to forget is the JC is a sophomore and more than that, a scorer who drives to the rack and hits from the outside. This type of PG will always have more turn-overs than a dribble pass PG (ask Steve Blake). Because they play two styles of ball doesn't overlook the fact that JC is rising above Duhon at an early age.

JC shoots 3's as well as you Ewing and almost as well as JJ. Are you telling me that having a PG that could drive better to the hoop as well as add to your 3 arsenal wouldn't make Duke better? You are a fool. You are also a hypocrit.

What I find most interesting is that the roles of the PG for UMD and Duke have completely switched in the past couple years. Duke plays a Steve Blake type of offense now and UMD plays a JWill type of offense (mind you JC can hit free throws and get rebounds). With all this said, I find it hilarious that you Dukies now condemn UMD for the style of play that you praised when you actually had a PG who could shoot. I'm not really surprised though...very typical. :stupid:

ps. to answer your question...Caner-Medley and Jamar Smith would be the people who would score those 15.1 ppg. Jamar - 14.4 ppg - 10.9 rpg, Nik 14.1 ppg - 6.1 rpg.

Duhon sucks even though he has gotten the better of the matchup so far against every PG he has played against in the ACC?

Paul - check
Gilchrist - check
Who's next?

nate jonesacc Wrote:Duhon sucks even though he has gotten the better of the matchup so far against every PG he has played against in the ACC?

Paul - check
Gilchrist - check
Who's next?

1 more assist and less points and you consider that "bettering". Nate, you are an idiot. Reminder: 4 of his assists were handing the ball to JJ to shoot 3's. JG...check.

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Duhon sucks even though he has gotten the better of the matchup so far against every PG he has played against in the ACC?

Paul - check
Gilchrist - check
Who's next?

1 more assist and less points and you consider that "bettering". Nate, you are an idiot. Reminder: 4 of his assists were handing the ball to JJ to shoot 3's. JG...check.

And AT LEAST 3 of JG's assists were to NCM or Jamar Smith for a jumper.

He had 2 less turnovers, more rebounds, more assists and 2 more steals.

Including twice when he forced JG to call a timeout cause he was screwed.

And only 3 were "handoffs"

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

So if a team is successful, the point guard is great? Based on that ridiculous assumption, McNamara from Syracuse was the best PG last season? Do you believe that to be true? or is it possible he was surrounded by great players that made him look good?

Saying UMD sucks a$$ is a joke. They lost to your #1 Dukies by 6? They beat #1 Florida. They beat #14 Wisconsin. They beat #11 UNC. They certainly do not suck. I will say that they are inconsistent much like all young teams are. Remember in 2001 when Duke won it all? UMD was young and inconsistent then too. Next year they certainly did not suck!

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

Oh and furthermore, UMD has played 6 top 25 teams so far this year (that's the most in the NCAA's). Seven will come tomorrow when they play Wake. UMD has beat 3 out of the 6 top 25 teams that have all been ranked higher than UMD. So you can take your "Maryland sucks" and mull over those stats.

ps. Duke has played 3 top 25 teams so far.

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

So if a team is successful, the point guard is great? Based on that ridiculous assumption, McNamara from Syracuse was the best PG last season? Do you believe that to be true? or is it possible he was surrounded by great players that made him look good?

Saying UMD sucks a$$ is a joke. They lost to your #1 Dukies by 6? They beat #1 Florida. They beat #14 Wisconsin. They beat #11 UNC. They certainly do not suck. I will say that they are inconsistent much like all young teams are. Remember in 2001 when Duke won it all? UMD was young and inconsistent then too. Next year they certainly did not suck!

McNamara was a great point guard last year... And Carmelo was really the only great player he was surrounded by... Kueth Duany was solid, but not great.

Lost to Duke by 8... But you can throw out the records with Duke vs. Maryland... You beat a FLA team which is where right now? UNC which is where right now? Lost to some mediocre and sucky teams...

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

Oh and furthermore, UMD has played 6 top 25 teams so far this year (that's the most in the NCAA's). Seven will come tomorrow when they play Wake. UMD has beat 3 out of the 6 top 25 teams that have all been ranked higher than UMD. So you can take your "Maryland sucks" and mull over those stats.

ps. Duke has played 3 top 25 teams so far.

Would you care to tell me Maryland's losses?

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

Oh and furthermore, UMD has played 6 top 25 teams so far this year (that's the most in the NCAA's). Seven will come tomorrow when they play Wake. UMD has beat 3 out of the 6 top 25 teams that have all been ranked higher than UMD. So you can take your "Maryland sucks" and mull over those stats.

ps. Duke has played 3 top 25 teams so far.

Would you care to tell me Maryland's losses?

Hey you are trying to make the point that UMD sucks...I was making the point that UMD is inconsistent (like all young teams). They certainly don't suck. Yeah..Wisconsin will win the Big10 again this year, FLA is struggling but still has a chance to win their conference and UNC is no Joke being ranked in the top 10 -15 still.

Yes UMD lost to a very good Ganzaga team, a terrible WV team and a Florida State team at FSU that seems to be beating a lot of great teams. I think I remember them beating Duke last year. They also lost a close one to GT at GT. And last and least they lost to the #1 team in the country...Duke. So I guess you can say that loosing to WV was an embarrassment (kinda like loosing to Purdue)...they other losses were not.

Still gonna tell me they suck?

nate jonesacc Wrote:McNamara was a great point guard last year... And Carmelo was really the only great player he was surrounded by... Kueth Duany was solid, but not great.

Lost to Duke by 8... But you can throw out the records with Duke vs. Maryland... You beat a FLA team which is where right now? UNC which is where right now? Lost to some mediocre and sucky teams...

Again you miss the point. I was not trying to say McNamara wasn't a good PG. I was saying that even though his team won a national title, doesn't make him a better PG than let's say...Steve Blake...or Hienrich...or TJ...or Felton. So what I am saying is that even if Duke wins the National Championship this year, I will never say that Duhon is a better PG than JG or Felton. I will say he has a better team surrounding him...at the moment.

Raymond Felton is better than them all, so it doesn't even matter. Why do you all waste your time arguing? :laugh: :D :laugh: :D

hoops13 Wrote:Raymond Felton is better than them all, so it doesn't even matter. Why do you all waste your time arguing? :laugh: :D :laugh: :D

I agree that Felton is the best in the ACC.

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

Oh and furthermore, UMD has played 6 top 25 teams so far this year (that's the most in the NCAA's). Seven will come tomorrow when they play Wake. UMD has beat 3 out of the 6 top 25 teams that have all been ranked higher than UMD. So you can take your "Maryland sucks" and mull over those stats.

ps. Duke has played 3 top 25 teams so far.

Would you care to tell me Maryland's losses?

Hey you are trying to make the point that UMD sucks...I was making the point that UMD is inconsistent (like all young teams). They certainly don't suck. Yeah..Wisconsin will win the Big10 again this year, FLA is struggling but still has a chance to win their conference and UNC is no Joke being ranked in the top 10 -15 still.

Yes UMD lost to a very good Ganzaga team, a terrible WV team and a Florida State team at FSU that seems to be beating a lot of great teams. I think I remember them beating Duke last year. They also lost a close one to GT at GT. And last and least they lost to the #1 team in the country...Duke. So I guess you can say that loosing to WV was an embarrassment (kinda like loosing to Purdue)...they other losses were not.

Still gonna tell me they suck?

Losing to a top 25 Purdue is embarrassing?????? Then losing to FSU and WVU is just... I don't know if there is a word for that.

Does Duhon suck? (Going back to the original thread question) Answer that, and I will answer your question.

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And only 3 were "handoffs"

Making a pass and handing off are two different things. Why can't you admit that JG is a great point guard?

He's not a great point guard... He's a solid point guard with lots of potential.

If he was GREAT, Maryland would not be sucking *** right now.

Oh and furthermore, UMD has played 6 top 25 teams so far this year (that's the most in the NCAA's). Seven will come tomorrow when they play Wake. UMD has beat 3 out of the 6 top 25 teams that have all been ranked higher than UMD. So you can take your "Maryland sucks" and mull over those stats.

ps. Duke has played 3 top 25 teams so far.

Would you care to tell me Maryland's losses?

Hey you are trying to make the point that UMD sucks...I was making the point that UMD is inconsistent (like all young teams). They certainly don't suck. Yeah..Wisconsin will win the Big10 again this year, FLA is struggling but still has a chance to win their conference and UNC is no Joke being ranked in the top 10 -15 still.

Yes UMD lost to a very good Ganzaga team, a terrible WV team and a Florida State team at FSU that seems to be beating a lot of great teams. I think I remember them beating Duke last year. They also lost a close one to GT at GT. And last and least they lost to the #1 team in the country...Duke. So I guess you can say that loosing to WV was an embarrassment (kinda like loosing to Purdue)...they other losses were not.

Still gonna tell me they suck?

Losing to a top 25 Purdue is embarrassing?????? Then losing to FSU and WVU is just... I don't know if there is a word for that.

Does Duhon suck? (Going back to the original thread question) Answer that, and I will answer your question.

OK I will take back the Duhon sucks and upgrade him to good (not to be confused with great). Loosing to a joke of a top ten team is embarrassing. Purdue has their ranking because the Big10 sucks a$$ this year. You know that. I already said losing to WVU was embarrassing, but after watching Duke sneak by FSU at Cameron last night, even you have to admit there is no shame in loosing a close game at FSU this year.

Thank you. Maryland doesn't suck. It's a decent team who is streaky and inconsistent (good and bad).

Duke won. Maryland lost. The difference between a loss and a win is mighty big, my friend.