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Reading through a few new and old boards I find you continually stating that Shav is better than Caner-Medley. You base all this on the fact that his stats were better than Nik (last year). Well I am here now to inform you that Shav does indeed suck. The comparisons seem stupid until you actually look at the numbers now. Since they play two different positions, it wouldn't seem right to compare them. The problem is....Caner-Medley is better at Shav's position than he is. Here are the proven stats for you. If you still think Shav can hang with Nik after this, then you are still in Duke dream-land. (remember Nik plays the 3).

Shav

8.4 points per game, 5.7 rebounds, 17 steals, 25 blocks

Nik

14.1 Points per game, 6.1 rebounds, 16 steals, 17 blocks

Shav leads in blocks and 1 steal. This would seem good for Shav if Nik played the 4 as well.

Food for thought.
01-19-2004 11:27 AM
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Minutes played this season. Not counting exhibition games.

NCM-462

Shav-344

Do the math.


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Coach Doh Wrote:Minutes played this season. Not counting exhibition games.

NCM-462

Shav-344

Do the math.


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Man you Duke fans are unbelievable. I don't think Nate factored in the minutes played last year when he was spouting off his numbers. Don't blame me is Shav is just not good enough to earn a starting role or serious minutes. All that says to me is he is back-up player at best. The point is and will remain that Nik is better than Shav. The stats say it, the playing time says it, the coaches say it. I don't think a whole lot of ACC coaches draw up defenses to stop Shav do they? Sit down.

Do the math.
01-19-2004 01:20 PM
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Oh yeah...and another thing Dukies. I believe Deng is an outstanding player and this is not meant to knock him down one bit, but if you want some ridiculous things to mull over...here you go.

While you all say Nik is no good or over-rated, notice the similarities:

Deng

14.2 ppg, .667 ft average, 6.1 rpg, 32 to's, 18 blocks, 17 steals, .404 3 pt%, in 445 minutes

Caner-Medley

14.1 ppg, .686 ft average, 6.1 rpg, 30 to's, 17 blocks, 16 steals, .347 3 pt%, in 462 minutes

Yes I realize Deng is a freshman (who will probably leave for the nba this year), and he plays a few less minutes per game. There is just no denying that Caner-Medley is a solid player who will most likely be in UMD's program for 4 years.

ps. yes I do think Deng is the best freshman in the country and he has a slight edge on Nik.
01-19-2004 01:33 PM
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I actually did factor out the minutes player last year and Shav still had a better year than NCM.

The only thing I stated was that last year Shav would have a better year than NCM. And he did. I figured NCM would have a breakout year this year because Maryland just isn't any good this year and need any talent they can find.
01-19-2004 01:33 PM
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No one said NCM sucks or is no good. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
01-19-2004 01:34 PM
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nate jonesacc Wrote:I actually did factor out the minutes player last year and Shav still had a better year than NCM.

The only thing I stated was that last year Shav would have a better year than NCM. And he did. I figured NCM would have a breakout year this year because Maryland just isn't any good this year and need any talent they can find.
I am not going to battle you with who is better. Duke has a more experienced team and will do better than UMD this year (reminder: THIS YEAR). I would never expect UMD to kill in the ACC with such a young team. So keep that in mind.

Now saying UMD sucks is just a Dukie comment. Ask UNC and Florida and Wisconsin whether we suck or not. UMD will win big games and loose stupid games because they are young. That's the way it goes and I accept that, but saying they suck is ignorant or just arrogant.

I'll be real honest too, if UMD looses to Duke Wednesday I won't be too upset. If UMD wins though, you better hide for a while.
01-19-2004 01:41 PM
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kaisersayzo Wrote:
Coach Doh Wrote:Minutes played this season. Not counting exhibition games.

NCM-462

Shav-344

Do the math.


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Man you Duke fans are unbelievable. I don't think Nate factored in the minutes played last year when he was spouting off his numbers. Don't blame me is Shav is just not good enough to earn a starting role or serious minutes. All that says to me is he is back-up player at best. The point is and will remain that Nik is better than Shav. The stats say it, the playing time says it, the coaches say it. I don't think a whole lot of ACC coaches draw up defenses to stop Shav do they? Sit down.

Do the math.
If you do the math it comes out that NCM would be the back up at Duke also.

doh :snore:
01-19-2004 01:51 PM
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Coach Doh Wrote:
kaisersayzo Wrote:
Coach Doh Wrote:Minutes played this season. Not counting exhibition games.

NCM-462

Shav-344

Do the math.


doh
Man you Duke fans are unbelievable. I don't think Nate factored in the minutes played last year when he was spouting off his numbers. Don't blame me is Shav is just not good enough to earn a starting role or serious minutes. All that says to me is he is back-up player at best. The point is and will remain that Nik is better than Shav. The stats say it, the playing time says it, the coaches say it. I don't think a whole lot of ACC coaches draw up defenses to stop Shav do they? Sit down.

Do the math.
If you do the math it comes out that NCM would be the back up at Duke also.

doh :snore:
Well dumb-a$$, when I do look at the numbers, NCM would not only be starting at Duke, but he would be the 3rd leading scorer and rebounder on your team idiot.

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01-19-2004 02:04 PM
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Oh! I wasn't aware he could play any position on the court, my apologies, He definitely is a talented young man.

I bet if he was playing for Coach k he'd be leading the nation in everything, what's holding him back?

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Coach Doh Wrote:Oh! I wasn't aware he could play any position on the court, my apologies, He definitely is a talented young man.

I bet if he was playing for Coach k he'd be leading the nation in everything, what's holding him back?

:bang: doh
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure Ewing, Randolph, Dockery, Horvath and especially Melchionni are far better athletes. Pull your head out of your Doh.

ps. If he was playing for Coach K, he wouldn't have a future in the nba.
01-19-2004 03:13 PM
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weak

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01-19-2004 03:25 PM
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Who exactly would NCM replace in Duke's starting lineup?

I'm sorry, but if either JJ or Daniel don't start... you have one kickass starting 5.
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Coach Doh Wrote:weak

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That's it? You have any idea what you are talking about? You know as well as I do that Nik would start for any NCAA team. Give me one reason any of these fools would start before nik...use your brain (if applicable). 03-puke
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nate jonesacc Wrote:Who exactly would NCM replace in Duke's starting lineup?

I'm sorry, but if either JJ or Daniel don't start... you have one kickass starting 5.
PG - Duhon
2 - JJ
3 - Deng
4 - Caner-Medley
5 - Williams

easy enough...anything else?

That actually sounds like quite a team. Deng from outside and Nik inside....beats the hell out of Shav/Horvath. 6-1, 6-4, 6-8, 6-8, 6-9....all (but Duhon) great scorers and adding more defensive and rebounds.
01-19-2004 04:02 PM
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kaisersayzo Wrote:adding more defensive and rebounds.
NCM plays 33 MPG. He averages 1.2 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 6.1 RPG.

Shav plays only 21 MPG with 1.7 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 5.7 RPG.

NCM plays 12 more minutes per game than Shav, and Shav still plays better D. Offensively, yes, NCM gets the nod from me. Defensively, no.
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
kaisersayzo Wrote:adding more defensive and rebounds.
NCM plays 33 MPG. He averages 1.2 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 6.1 RPG.

Shav plays only 21 MPG with 1.7 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 5.7 RPG.

NCM plays 12 more minutes per game than Shav, and Shav still plays better D. Offensively, yes, NCM gets the nod from me. Defensively, no.
All this is true T but what you are forgetting is THEY DON'T PLAY THE SAME POSITION. Why don't you compare his numbers to Ewing or Deng (like I have previously done)? I think you will get what I am saying then.

ps. Shav doesn't play as much because he is not as good. Deng is a great player thus he plays more. If Shav was important or vital to his team, he would play more. That's all there is to it.
01-20-2004 08:46 AM
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kaisersayzo Wrote:
T-Monay820 Wrote:
kaisersayzo Wrote:adding more defensive and rebounds.
NCM plays 33 MPG. He averages 1.2 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 6.1 RPG.

Shav plays only 21 MPG with 1.7 BPG, 1.1 SPG, and 5.7 RPG.

NCM plays 12 more minutes per game than Shav, and Shav still plays better D. Offensively, yes, NCM gets the nod from me. Defensively, no.
All this is true T but what you are forgetting is THEY DON'T PLAY THE SAME POSITION. Why don't you compare his numbers to Ewing or Deng (like I have previously done)? I think you will get what I am saying then.

ps. Shav doesn't play as much because he is not as good. Deng is a great player thus he plays more. If Shav was important or vital to his team, he would play more. That's all there is to it.
ps. Shav doesn't play as much because he is not as good. Deng is a great player thus he plays more. If Shav was important or vital to his team, he would play more. That's all there is to it.

There you go Einstein, I knew if you stayed at it long enough you'd stumble across the answer.

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Coach Doh Wrote:ps. Shav doesn't play as much because he is not as good. Deng is a great player thus he plays more. If Shav was important or vital to his team, he would play more. That's all there is to it.

There you go Einstein, I knew if you stayed at it long enough you'd stumble across the answer.

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Wow. The discussion, unless you fell behind a little there, was comparing Shav to Caner-Medley. Deng is not in the consideration here (allthough their numbers are almost exactly the same), Ewing and or Shav are. I simply stated that Nik is a better player than both of those guys and just a fraction of a stat point worse than Deng. In conclusion, if Nik were on Dukes team, he would start and play more minutes than both Ewing and Shav. Remember if you can, that is what this was about in the first place Nelson (ah-ha).
01-20-2004 03:23 PM
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kaisersayzo Wrote:
Coach Doh Wrote:ps. Shav doesn't play as much because he is not as good.  Deng is a great player thus he plays more. If Shav was important or vital to his team, he would play more. That's all there is to it.

There you go Einstein, I knew if you stayed at it long enough you'd stumble across the answer.

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Wow. The discussion, unless you fell behind a little there, was comparing Shav to Caner-Medley. Deng is not in the consideration here (allthough their numbers are almost exactly the same), Ewing and or Shav are. I simply stated that Nik is a better player than both of those guys and just a fraction of a stat point worse than Deng. In conclusion, if Nik were on Dukes team, he would start and play more minutes than both Ewing and Shav. Remember if you can, that is what this was about in the first place Nelson (ah-ha).
Let me break it on down for you Albert,

The reason Shav doesn't play as much as Deng is because Deng is a better player. That doesn't mean Shav is not a fine basketball player, it just means Deng is better.

This is why NCM gets more playing time than Garrison - - - now you have that answer too.

I'm sure Shav would start for 99% of all the teams in the NCAA, including the Terps.

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