11 points, 33% shooting, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 TO's, 0 steals against a team that you say sucks at Cameron? I realize that everyone has a bad game, but he's the best in the ACC right? Hell even JG (12 points, 9 assists, 6 TO's) had far better numbers than that and he had as bad a game as Duhon. My calculations say that out of the 4 teams that played last night, Duhon was the least effective PG out of all 4 teams...even Nate Johnson had a 6 to 1 A/TO ration.

How is it that the leader (which is a joke because JJ is) of the #1 team in the country can play so bad at home? Hell, he didn't even have one steal.

I'm confused.

kaisersayzo Wrote:11 points, 33% shooting, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 TO's, 0 steals against a team that you say sucks at Cameron? Duhon had a poor game... I will admit that... He also hit an EXTREMELY clutch three (something you claim he sucks at)... I realize that everyone has a bad game, but he's the best in the ACC right? No. Felton is. I've always said that. Hell even JG (12 points, 9 assists, 6 TO's) had far better numbers than that and he had as bad a game as Duhon. If you want to go by numbers, Gilchrist got ABUSED by Chris Paul. My calculations say that out of the 4 teams that played last night, Duhon was the least effective PG out of all 4 teams...even Nate Johnson had a 6 to 1 A/TO ration.
You should be statboy for PTI. :rolleyes:

How is it that the leader (which is a joke because JJ is) of the #1 team in the country can play so bad at home? Hell, he didn't even have one steal.
JJ IS THE LEADER OF DUKE??? I will never take anything you say seriously again unless you take that back. That was absolutely ridiculous. Coach K vehemently disagrees, as do I, and many analysts.

I'm confused.

JJ THE LEADER OF 03/04 DUKE??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:11 points, 33% shooting, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 TO's, 0 steals against a team that you say sucks at Cameron? Duhon had a poor game... I will admit that... He also hit an EXTREMELY clutch three (something you claim he sucks at)... I realize that everyone has a bad game, but he's the best in the ACC right? No. Felton is. I've always said that. Hell even JG (12 points, 9 assists, 6 TO's) had far better numbers than that and he had as bad a game as Duhon. If you want to go by numbers, Gilchrist got ABUSED by Chris Paul.   My calculations say that out of the 4 teams that played last night, Duhon was the least effective PG out of all 4 teams...even Nate Johnson had a 6 to 1 A/TO ration. 
You should be statboy for PTI. :rolleyes:

How is it that the leader (which is a joke because JJ is) of the #1 team in the country can play so bad at home? Hell, he didn't even have one steal.
JJ IS THE LEADER OF DUKE??? I will never take anything you say seriously again unless you take that back. That was absolutely ridiculous. Coach K vehemently disagrees, as do I, and many analysts.

I'm confused.

JJ THE LEADER OF 03/04 DUKE??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

JJ might not be the vocal Rah-Rah leader of Duke, but even you can't disagree that his play speaks much louder than Duhon's voice. How can you possibly tell me that JJ's insane shooting and attitude has not elevated this team to where they are? It certainly ain't Duhon's passes that spark them when they are down. Nothing says more when there is a tight game than JJ sinking a 3 from mid-court (over-and-over again). He is a back breaker.

kaisersayzo Wrote:JJ might not be the vocal Rah-Rah leader of Duke, but even you can't disagree that his play speaks much louder than Duhon's voice.  How can you possibly tell me that JJ's insane shooting and attitude has not elevated this team to where they are? It certainly ain't Duhon's passes that spark them when they are down. Nothing says more when there is a tight game than JJ sinking a 3 from mid-court (over-and-over again).  He is a back breaker.

JJ may be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the NCAA, but that doesn't automatically make him the leader. Leader's have to manage their team so they don't do stupid stuff like try and run fast breaks every play when they are trying to run down the clock. They have to know and help run the offense. They have to have some of the best understanding of how the college game works. They have to always be aware of the game situation such as time and score. And they have to play very smart. It doesn't rely purely on talent. You can lead by example, which is what Duhon does with his willingness to step of and take the big shots (not saying they always go in) or to make the great pass to Sheldon under the basket. I will admit that JJ's shooting gives the team a ton of confidence (if I saw my teammate draining threes off the team bus I would feel invincible too), but he is definitely not the most mature or smartest player out there (note the Tech game). Duhon is the leader, and I'm sure Redick would agree and wouldn't want leader/captain status right now.

T-Monay820 Wrote:JJ may be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the NCAA, but that doesn't automatically make him the leader. Leader's have to manage their team so they don't do stupid stuff like try and run fast breaks every play when they are trying to run down the clock. They have to know and help run the offense. They have to have some of the best understanding of how the college game works. They have to always be aware of the game situation such as time and score. And they have to play very smart. It doesn't rely purely on talent. You can lead by example, which is what Duhon does with his willingness to step of and take the big shots (not saying they always go in) or to make the great pass to Sheldon under the basket. I will admit that JJ's shooting gives the team a ton of confidence (if I saw my teammate draining threes off the team bus I would feel invincible too), but he is definitely not the most mature or smartest player out there (note the Tech game). Duhon is the leader, and I'm sure Redick would agree and wouldn't want leader/captain status right now.

You know T, I do agree with what you are saying for the most part. I think that a team such as Duke doesn't rely as much on their "leader" as they do one of the most successful coaches in NCAA history. It is obvious that Duhon follows Coach K's words well. Does that make Duhon the leader or Coach K?

You will certainly never here me say that (pothead) JJ is an upstanding guy with a level head. He is a complete ego-maniac *******. The problem is this jack-*** commands other teams to re-structure their game plans to try to stop this one player. If that isn't a leader, I don't know what is. Duhon might be the guy pulling JJ out of someones face, but inevitably it is always JJ who carries the team to victories with consistent, unconscience shooting.

I guess I agree to disagree.

No way in hell is JJ the leader IN ANY RESPECT on this team. He doesn't lead the team for anything... Ask any player, ask coach K, ask JJ or anyone else... Chris Duhon is THE ONLY leader on this team.

If JJ was the leader on this team they would be 5-2 AT BEST in the ACC right now with losses to FSU, Maryland and probably Georgia Tech.

kaisersayzo Wrote:(1)It is obvious that Duhon follows Coach K's words well. Does that make Duhon the leader or Coach K?

(2)The problem is this jack-*** commands other teams to re-structure their game plans to try to stop this one player. If that isn't a leader, I don't know what is. Duhon might be the guy pulling JJ out of someones face, but inevitably it is always JJ who carries the team to victories with consistent, unconscience shooting.

(1) Duhon is considered the leader because he relay's his coach's instructions to his teammates on the court the same way a captain relay's instructions from the general to his men on the field. He's in charge of what happens on the court and is also responsible for changing the offense to best beat the D.

(2) Just cause you carry the team in points doesn't make you the leader. If you check Duhon's stats, I don't think he's ever gotten a tech for mouthing off or even unnecessary roughness (scrapping for a loose ball, etc.). Leaders can't let their emotions get the best of them on the court. Leaders are not always the best players on the court, though they can be. They are the player that can best maintain the teams play and hold it to its highest possible level, which is what Duhon does for Duke. If you want examples I'd be happy to share them.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:(1)It is obvious that Duhon follows Coach K's words well. Does that make Duhon the leader or Coach K?

(2)The problem is this jack-*** commands other teams to re-structure their game plans to try to stop this one player.  If that isn't a leader, I don't know what is.  Duhon might be the guy pulling JJ out of someones face, but inevitably it is always JJ who carries the team to victories with consistent, unconscience shooting.

(1) Duhon is considered the leader because he relay's his coach's instructions to his teammates on the court the same way a captain relay's instructions from the general to his men on the field. He's in charge of what happens on the court and is also responsible for changing the offense to best beat the D.

(2) Just cause you carry the team in points doesn't make you the leader. If you check Duhon's stats, I don't think he's ever gotten a tech for mouthing off or even unnecessary roughness (scrapping for a loose ball, etc.). Leaders can't let their emotions get the best of them on the court. Leaders are not always the best players on the court, though they can be. They are the player that can best maintain the teams play and hold it to its highest possible level, which is what Duhon does for Duke. If you want examples I'd be happy to share them.

OK...OK..Duhon is the leader of the team. You win. Maybe someday he too will be sitting on the bench next to Coach K when his pro career just doesn't pan out.