Well according to a non-conference game, Chris Paul really lit up the cats for 30 and put a resounding stamp on the voting for best in the ACC. The problem is it was against C-USA competition. Duhon shot well from the field but faltered at the end with an air-ball and only 5 assists, 2 TO's and only 1 steal. Raymond Felton for the second time in two games was schooled by Gilcrist. Felton scores 3 points, 6 assists, 5 TO's, 1 block and 0 steals. Gilcrist on the other hand scored 12 points, 8 assists, 3 TO's, 1 block, 4 rebounds, and 5 steals.

I left out Jack for a reason. Jack is clearly not in the running anymore.

So all this talk about Felton being the best in the ACC and Duhon being the best in the country is laughable. It is plain as day that JG should be in the running for all-ACC. It is also clear that there isn't another PG in the ACC that can defend him and that he plays great defense against his counter-part.

I honestly think it is an insult to include only NC residents in this established field. Does JG deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. Should he be considered in all the press with these other players? We all know the answer is a resounding yes.

Food for thought.

You should just stop posting. Every time you post you show how little you know about the point guard position.

nate jonesacc Wrote:You should just stop posting. Every time you post you show how little you know about the point guard position.

You know I did this just to get a stupid comment out of you. As usual, you are as predictable as Shav is over-rated. Thanks for the brilliant insight! Your factual assesment and professional perspective are over-shadowed by your obvious superiority of the sport! Way to follow up with a well thought out rebuttle.

Here...let me try. You should really stop posting Nate. Your lack of knowledge and obvious bias continually show your arrogance and blind/unfounded loyalty.

Next time maybe you should prove to everyone out there how smart you really are with some facts. Or is that too much for you...I guess your day-to-day dealings with Coach K himself makes you an authority firgure. Even better, maybe because of this relationship you have to right to overlook obvious FACTS and STATS that continually prove ME to be CORRECT! Maybe your arrogance gets in the way of clear vision.

ps. I especially loved when Dukes "leader" hit nothing but nothing to help propell his team to the bus in a hurry.

FACT: Coach K claims Duhon is the reason this Duke team is 21-2.

FACT: Skip Prosser LOVES Duhon's game.

FACT: Skip Prosser hopes that Chris Paul will eventually become the kind of player Duhon is.

FACT: Skip Prosser believes that it is a PG's job to get the team a W. Duke is 21-2.

FACT: Duhon is #2 in the ACC in assists.

FACT: Duhon is #1 alltime in steals at Duke.

FACT: Duke is #2 alltime in assists at Duke.

FACT: When Duhon went out against UNC, UNC went up 7. When Duhon came back in, Duke tied the game and went to OT.

FACT: Duhon is #2 all time assist/TO ratio at Duke.

FACT: Each and every player on this Duke team knows who the leader is: Chris Duhon.

FACT: You are a complete idiot who, like Skip Prosser says, is "good at reading stat sheets".

FACT: Skip Prosser and Coach K make millions judging people like Chris Duhon.

BTW, if you want to bring up late game situations...

Why not bring up Duhon's game winner against UNC? Duhon's three pointer to seal the game against FSU?

Gilchrist's NUMEROUS misses late against UNC?

why is jarret jack out of the running?

nate jonesacc Wrote:BTW, if you want to bring up late game situations...

Why not bring up Duhon's game winner against UNC? Duhon's three pointer to seal the game against FSU?

Gilchrist's NUMEROUS misses late against UNC?

Gilcrist is the reason the terps were even in that game moron. When they were down 20, Gilcrist had 3 steals that resulted in 3 assists and 6 bone-crushing points. He also had another 3 point assist and a 30 foot 3 pointer to pull the terps back to within 3 idiot. So maybe you should watch the game before you open your mouth. Gilcrist missed ONE three (meanwhile making all his foul shots) at the end when the terps were down 10. Big difference.

I was the first to say that Duhon's drive against UNC was nice. So where the screens that were set for him. I suppose his leadership set all that up for him? Get over it. It was an uncontested layup that a monkey would have made. And do you really want to compare three point shooting? really? JG is twice the shooter Duhon is (period). Please argue that!

Oh and Nate, Paul IS already the player that Duhon is...he's just much faster, a much better shooter, a better driver, a better FT shooter, a better 3 shooter, and a whole lot more valuable than Duhon is to his team.

Skip Prosser this, Skip Prosser that. You're starting to sound like Dicky V. I'm sure Coach K would love to have a Paul on his team to surpass all Duhon's numbers by his Junior year. He just doesn't have that option right now. Mark my words. JG is a better PG and will beat every important stat Duhon ever had by his senior year (maybe his Junior year on many stats). And furthermore, I hope you keep sleeping on the terps. Enjoy our down year while you can because I promise you we will be back in major upset mode next year (and maybe in your house this year). Living under your delusions of Duhon greatness is pathetic. You claim all I do is look at numbers. I got news for you, numbers play a big role in all-ACC and All-american nominees and Duhon's numbers don't cut it. Dicky V, Coach K, and Prosser can promote all they want but the truth will always be right there in black and white.

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:why is jarret jack out of the running?

Because last time I checked Jack didn't play in North Carolina. Not that he isn't good enough!

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:BTW, if you want to bring up late game situations...

Why not bring up Duhon's game winner against UNC? Duhon's three pointer to seal the game against FSU?

Gilchrist's NUMEROUS misses late against UNC?

Gilcrist is the reason the terps were even in that game moron. When they were down 20, Gilcrist had 3 steals that resulted in 3 assists and 6 bone-crushing points. He also had another 3 point assist and a 30 foot 3 pointer to pull the terps back to within 3 idiot. So maybe you should watch the game before you open your mouth. Gilcrist missed ONE three (meanwhile making all his foul shots) at the end when the terps were down 10. Big difference.

I was the first to say that Duhon's drive against UNC was nice. So where the screens that were set for him. I suppose his leadership set all that up for him? Get over it. It was an uncontested layup that a monkey would have made. And do you really want to compare three point shooting? really? JG is twice the shooter Duhon is (period). Please argue that!

Oh and Nate, Paul IS already the player that Duhon is...he's just much faster, a much better shooter, a better driver, a better FT shooter, a better 3 shooter, and a whole lot more valuable than Duhon is to his team.

Skip Prosser this, Skip Prosser that. You're starting to sound like Dicky V. I'm sure Coach K would love to have a Paul on his team to surpass all Duhon's numbers by his Junior year. He just doesn't have that option right now. Mark my words. JG is a better PG and will beat every important stat Duhon ever had by his senior year (maybe his Junior year on many stats). And furthermore, I hope you keep sleeping on the terps. Enjoy our down year while you can because I promise you we will be back in major upset mode next year (and maybe in your house this year). Living under your delusions of Duhon greatness is pathetic. You claim all I do is look at numbers. I got news for you, numbers play a big role in all-ACC and All-american nominees and Duhon's numbers don't cut it. Dicky V, Coach K, and Prosser can promote all they want but the truth will always be right there in black and white.

I counted 4 double standards and at least 5 inaccurate statements.

Terpy and Damascus may be annoying little *******, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, but they make stronger arguments than you do, my friend.

You haven't even begun to poke holes in Duhon's game. And yes, there are plenty of holes to poke.

duhon takes bad shots at bad times, but so does gilchrist, to a lesser degree...

I think this crusade that both of you are on for your respective PG is pretty dull...you both keep saying the same things over and over, neither of you are gonna give the other an inch, this is very stupid...

bottom line, DUHON has been the most overrated played in the nation the past two seasons, he was completely awful, this year he has played within himself, with a more experienced supporting cast, and is playing much better....

GILCHRIST is in his first year running the team and has been looked to to shoulder a majority of the scoring load, which is hindering his 'PG stats'...


honestly, you can't compare the two yet, you have to give gilchrist the time to develop, just as duhon did, no one can deny that Duhon has improved immensley...

...I think I should get my bomb shelter, DT2 is the moderate in this conversation :eek:

DamascusTerp2 Wrote:duhon takes bad shots at bad times, but so does gilchrist, to a lesser degree...

I think this crusade that both of you are on for your respective PG is pretty dull...you both keep saying the same things over and over, neither of you are gonna give the other an inch, this is very stupid...

bottom line, DUHON has been the most overrated played in the nation the past two seasons, he was completely awful, this year he has played within himself, with a more experienced supporting cast, and is playing much better....

GILCHRIST is in his first year running the team and has been looked to to shoulder a majority of the scoring load, which is hindering his 'PG stats'...


honestly, you can't compare the two yet, you have to give gilchrist the time to develop, just as duhon did, no one can deny that Duhon has improved immensley...

Probably the best statement regarding this argument I have heard yet. I never said that Duhon wasn't a much improved PG. I never said he was a bad PG. I did say he was very over-rated and I did say that because of his team, Duhon has inherited much unjust praise because he plays for Duke. My argument has never been that JG is the best PG in the ACC. My argument revolves around the injustice the other PG's get for not playing for Duke University. Chris Paul, Jack, Felton and JG all lead their teams in very different ways and are all very, very good PG's.

To further agree with you, I do agree that you can't really compare the two yet. I think the reason you can't compare them is the same reason you couldn't compare Blake and JWill. They played two different types of games and both lead their respective teams to success. So with that said, in the end the only comparison that can be made at this time is how much do they mean to their teams? That answer would be the same either way you look at it. So I officially conceed to a draw. Agreed?