rodtheman Wrote:Coach Doh and Lucy-- Well thought out replies. 5 North Carolina schools in the same conference would be a lot like the Nc version of the southwest conference. I ahve never questioned that.

The real problem is the BCS setup, and the glass ceiling it creates to 6 of 11 D1A conferences, and the $$ that brings in. Example- Both ECU and UNC had poor years in football. When the seasons turn around, Unc currently has the chance of a BCS bid, while ECU would not (the current revised BCS agreement is to pacify, not correct) The elevation of all conferences to a level playing field, and standardization of conference sizes would go a long ways.

ECU is 4 of the last 5 vs NCSU, and 2 of the last 3 VS Miami. We will be back, no matter what the obstacles in our way.

Comparing UNC to ECU is an apples-oranges deal. You're talking about two programs on different levels.

The problem is, the public -- your average Joe -- is not demanding to see C-USA (or MAC) football on major TV (on ABC, CBS, NBC, or ESPN prime time). The best C-USA can do is fill up ESPN2's schedule.

The BCS is set up based on market demand -- your average Joe wants to see the ACC, SEC, Big 10(1), Big XII, and Pac 10 on major TV (ABC, CBS, NBC) -- and Bowl partnerships -- Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Rose Bowl. None of these bowls would ever invite ECU, BCS or no BCS.

Even without the BCS, ECU could go 11-0 and the best they'd sniff is the Liberty, unless one of the lower tier Florida bowls took a chance (not likely). None of the major bowls would even sniff in the direction of Greenville.

There's nothing wrong with the way the BCS is set up. The fact that ECU is not involved is not an injustice from the BCS side, but rather ECU's insistence on trying to compete well above their head, and a complete case of envy.

ECU belongs in a conference that's well closer to home -- Southern Conference -- where they can build rivalries, true rivalries, and save lots of money in travel and recruiting expenses. And, fill Dowdy-Ficklen. If an ECU - William & Mary game can draw 40,000 (higher than all but 1 C-USA game ever played in D/F), who's to say schools like Furman, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State can't...? Well, the average ECU fan will say that, but I'm not buying it.

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The "glass ceiling" is really an unofficial new classification in Division I that, at some point, will be made official -- meaning the 5 BCS conferences and the better of MWC/Big East (if not both, even) will run along and create a new official class.

T-Monay820 Wrote:Bottom Line: ECU does not = ACC Material.

I had originally planned to completely stay away from NCAABBS period (see my last post on the Georgia Bulldog board), but Dawg Quixote and now this post have brought me back. One shouldn't mess with ghosts.


I actually like the quote right here: "East Carolina does not=ACC Material." I quite agree. And for that matter, I would like to add that Clemson and Virginia Tech do not = ACC Material either, although they are members of the ACC. Let me explain myself: ACC=basketball conference. Always has, always will. There is NOTHING and I do mean nothing that will change my mind on this. UNC has never cared about football and it most likely never will!! GT has always fit the basketball school protype and has never been considered a football type of a school. The same can be said for Maryland, Duke, UVa,, Wake Forest, and just about every school in the conference except for Clemson, FSU, VT, maybe NC State, and definitely Miami. This right here is the difference between the SEC and the ACC: the ACC treats football as a diversion until basketball season arrives. The SEC treats basketball as a diversion until football season arrives. :D I also believe, given time and a lot of effort, ECU can be an SEC school or at least an SEC-type school. Nothing wrong with that.

Mongo Trade,

You have the envy their bud. You have stated that you are an alum of ECU. Let me ask you this pal, why didn't you go to Chapel Hill since you love them so much? I bet you would have fit in real nice over in Carrboro too. You are one heck of a supporter for your school ad I would venture to say you were picked on or something while in Greenville. Maybe you were dorky and people didn't like you. So you have anger towards ECU. But let me say this bud, it would have happened to you in Chapel Hill too. Its your persoality people do not like there Trade, I mean Slade. No matter where you go people just do not like you. I wonder why?

Quote:The problem is, the public -- your average Joe -- is not demanding to see C-USA (or MAC) football on major TV (on ABC, CBS, NBC, or ESPN prime time). The best C-USA can do is fill up ESPN2's schedule.

True Mongo...of course people aren't locking down the email servers at the major networks to see UNC, Duke, or Wake football on tv either.

True post. People want to see entertaining football. That is not the case with UNC, Duke, and to some extent Wake. NCSU was interesting, but with Rivers gone, that is probably not true any longer.

Although, also good teams, look at the way FSU, and Miami play. Typically are pretty wide open in the way they play.

ECU is known for a wide open offense (not last year), and has developed some national recognition because of this. We will be back soon, with the best football in North Carolina. Although, ECU is typically treated as the 'red headed stepchild' by Ncsu and Unc, ECU has developed in spite of them. CUSA can be a good conference, if the right things happen. Also, ECU inclusion in the SEC would definitely stick a dagger in the ACC monopoly in the state of NC. Good things happen in time.

I'd put Wake's option offense up against ECU's "wide open offense" anyday. Oh wait, we already did the past 2 years...and ECU is 0 for Wake Forest. :laugh:

ECU is also 0 for John Bunting.

I support Coach Bunting -- but, considering his pathetic record lately, that's really saying something (and not something positive, either). I think ECU needs to start a turnaround this year (as do we).

-JD

DawgNBama Wrote:GT has always fit the basketball school protype and has never been considered a football type of a school. The same can be said for Maryland, Duke, UVa,, Wake Forest

Not gonna brag about our football program now, but Duke had an extremely succesful program back in the 40s, being the only other place other than Pasadena to host the Rose Bowl, and also had a season where they went unscored upon and unbeaten in the regular season (something like 10-0), and has attended all four major bowls (Cotton, Orange, Rose, Sugar). Sadly, now were are a basketball school.

All-Time, ECU has only one winning record against an ACC team.

Boston College - Never Played

Clemson - Never Played

Duke - 4 Wins / 5 Losses

Florida State - 0 Wins / 7 Losses

Georgia Tech - Never Played

Maryland - Never Played

Miami - 2 Wins / 9 Losses

North Carolina - 1 Win / 8 Losses

North Carolina State - 9 Wins / 13 Losses

Virginia - 1 Win / 0 Losses

Virginia Tech - 4 Wins / 8 Losses

Wake Forrest - 2 Wins / 4 Losses

You've only ever been ranked 3 times in the top 25, once in the Top 10. Please stop deluding yourself.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

DawgNBama Wrote:GT has always fit the basketball school protype and has never been considered a football type of a school.  The same can be said for Maryland, Duke, UVa,, Wake Forest

Not gonna brag about our football program now, but Duke had an extremely succesful program back in the 40s, being the only other place other than Pasadena to host the Rose Bowl, and also had a season where they went unscored upon and unbeaten in the regular season (something like 10-0), and has attended all four major bowls (Cotton, Orange, Rose, Sugar). Sadly, now were are a basketball school.

I had forgotten about that until you mentioned that T-Monay. I've noticed something else too. From what I've noticed, it seems like Duke is tired of the "basketball school label" and has been improving the football facilties it has or obtaining new ones. And Roof looks like a good coach too. Maybe Duke will find a way to regain its lost greatness. Look at Pittsburgh!! I still hate UNC with a passion though.

Don't worry Pirate fans, I heard that Boston College is planning to adopt "Dixie" as its new fight song once it officially enters the ACC. BC officials feel that such a move will show the southern teams of the ACC how much BC is determined to fit into a traditionally southern conference while simultaneously relieving any possible concerns that inviting a yankee school was a misstake.

Let's sing: "I wish I was in the land of cotton.. . Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixieland. In Dixieland I take my stand to live and die in Dixie. Look away! Look away! Away down south in Dixie!!!!"

Now, in case you were wondering, Ole Miss officials have gone on record and stated that they have no problem with Boston College adopting the song. Also, there will be no confusion as to which school is mostly associated with the song since Ole Miss has been forced to downplay its confederate symbolism in the name of political correctness. Boston College may also adopt the confederate flag as its official school symbol. However, I haven't yet heard anything definitive on that yet. Nevertheless, I would not be surprised if Boston College cheerleaders run onto the football field at Clemson waving the confederate flag.

In other words, Boston College will fit right in. Even better than ECU would have.

Go Boston College!

Go Dixie!

DawgNBama Wrote:has been improving the football facilties it has or obtaining new ones. And Roof looks like a good coach too. Maybe Duke will find a way to regain its lost greatness.

Yeah, Duke recently built a multi-million dollar football development center (Yoh Building I believe its called) and added a new scoreboard with a video replay system. Duke is certainly taking new and active steps in promoting its football program and I hope that we can eventually field a program that could at least put up a decent and consistant fight against other honored programs. Besides we should have been number one this year, just look at my evidence in my sig .

ECU , and WVU cherry picked to the SEC within 10 years..why?...the ACC left the vast unifiliated Tidewater market wide open ........sure the ACC has fan intrest in Tidewater but that fan intrest is very soft.. a mile wide but only an inch deep...closest ACC school is almost 200 miles away.........closest D1 program to the large tidewater (4+million) market.....ECU.........SEC afiliation for close by ECU instantly changes everything in that large unifiliated Tidewater market :wave: the ACC has a hart attack,as they wisely chose BC over ECU

ECU to the SEC anyday over the overrated Acc.

rodtheman Wrote:ECU to the SEC anyday over the overrated Acc.

Yeah, you're "wide-open" football program is really gonna stand a chance in the SEC. :rolleyes:

With your 1-11 record last year, I'm sure the AD's at the SEC are just busting down your door to get you into the conference. :rolleyes:

I tihnk all Duke fans cant talk bout there football system becuase there horrible how about them Tigers I thought so sit down!

cmartizzle11 Wrote:I tihnk all Duke fans cant talk bout there football system becuase there horrible how about them Tigers I thought so sit down!

Haven't graduated from basic grammar yet, have we? Shoot, our football teams record was better than your basketball team's conference record. :chair: Either way our program can still beat ECU's.

MongoSlade Wrote:

rodtheman Wrote:Coach Doh and Lucy-- Well thought out replies.  5 North Carolina schools in the same conference would be a lot like the Nc version of the southwest conference.  I ahve never questioned that.

The real problem is the BCS setup, and the glass ceiling it creates to 6 of 11 D1A conferences, and the $$ that brings in.  Example- Both ECU and UNC had poor years in football.  When the seasons turn around, Unc currently has the chance of a BCS bid, while ECU would not (the current revised BCS agreement is to pacify, not correct)  The elevation of all conferences to a level playing field, and standardization of conference sizes would go a long ways.

ECU is 4 of the last 5 vs NCSU, and 2 of the last 3 VS Miami.  We will be back, no matter what the obstacles in our way.

Comparing UNC to ECU is an apples-oranges deal. You're talking about two programs on different levels.

The problem is, the public -- your average Joe -- is not demanding to see C-USA (or MAC) football on major TV (on ABC, CBS, NBC, or ESPN prime time). The best C-USA can do is fill up ESPN2's schedule.

The BCS is set up based on market demand -- your average Joe wants to see the ACC, SEC, Big 10(1), Big XII, and Pac 10 on major TV (ABC, CBS, NBC) -- and Bowl partnerships -- Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Rose Bowl. None of these bowls would ever invite ECU, BCS or no BCS.

Even without the BCS, ECU could go 11-0 and the best they'd sniff is the Liberty, unless one of the lower tier Florida bowls took a chance (not likely). None of the major bowls would even sniff in the direction of Greenville.

There's nothing wrong with the way the BCS is set up. The fact that ECU is not involved is not an injustice from the BCS side, but rather ECU's insistence on trying to compete well above their head, and a complete case of envy.

ECU belongs in a conference that's well closer to home -- Southern Conference -- where they can build rivalries, true rivalries, and save lots of money in travel and recruiting expenses. And, fill Dowdy-Ficklen. If an ECU - William & Mary game can draw 40,000 (higher than all but 1 C-USA game ever played in D/F), who's to say schools like Furman, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State can't...? Well, the average ECU fan will say that, but I'm not buying it.

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The "glass ceiling" is really an unofficial new classification in Division I that, at some point, will be made official -- meaning the 5 BCS conferences and the better of MWC/Big East (if not both, even) will run along and create a new official class.

Mongo the turncoat creep, knows its about markets and $$$$$$$......he knows the ACC blindly left the large and overlooked tidewater market and $$$$$$ wide open. the tidewater market is a BCS market and the SEC will see it. the ACC flat took it for granted.sure the ACC has support in tidewater soft support...a mile wide but only an inch deep.....the closest ACC school is 200 miles away(UVA) VATech is 400+miles away) the last time they played in tidewater(UVA) couldn't even sell its share of tickets(Oyster Bowl) ECU sold out the Oyster Bowl when we played in it.....ECU, is the closest D1 program to that huge, and for some unknown reason, overlooked and undervalued, tidewater market. ECU has always drawn fans and players from tidewater.....ECUs afiliation with the SEC will change everthing in that close by market....tens of thousands of football fans from tidewater will be making the short trip to ECU to see a SEC football game.....within 10 years.....the ACC has a hart attack :roflol:.......now, there is a slight chance that the ACC will see this market and ECUs procsimitry to it.....before the SEC cherry picks ECU and its ties to tidewater's large unifiliated market

pirate65 Wrote:Mongo the turncoat creep, knows its about markets and $$$$$$$......he knows the ACC blindly left the large and overlooked tidewater market and $$$$$$ wide open. the tidewater market is a BCS market and the SEC will see it. the ACC flat took it for granted.sure the ACC has support in tidewater soft support...a mile wide but only an inch deep.....the closest ACC school is 200 miles away(UVA) VATech is 400+miles away) the last time they played in tidewater(UVA) couldn't even sell its share of tickets(Oyster Bowl) ECU sold out the Oyster Bowl when we played in it.....ECU, is the closest D1 program to that huge, and for some unknown reason, overlooked and undervalued, tidewater market. ECU has always drawn fans and players from tidewater.....ECUs afiliation with the SEC will change everthing in that close by market....tens of thousands of football fans from tidewater will be making the short trip to ECU to see a SEC football game.....within 10 years.....the ACC has a hart attack :roflol:.......now, there is a slight chance that the ACC will see this market and ECUs procsimitry to it.....before the SEC cherry picks ECU and its ties to tidewater's large unifiliated market

Wow. Just.....just wow. I never knew somebody could be that incoherent and not drunk.