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NCAA removes Seminoles from hostile list

August 23, 2005
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- The NCAA will allow Florida State to use its Seminoles nickname in postseason play, removing the school from a list of colleges with Native American nicknames that were restricted by an NCAA decision earlier this month.

The NCAA said it was recognizing the relationship Florida State has long enjoyed with the Seminole Tribe of Florida, which assists the university with its pageantry and celebration of its culture and supports the school's use of its name.

``The staff review committee noted the unique relationship between the university and the Seminole Tribe of Florida as a significant factor,'' the NCAA said Tuesday. ``The decision of a namesake sovereign tribe, regarding when and how its name and imagery can be used, must be respected even when others may not agree.''


Florida State President T.K. Wetherell had threatened to sue the NCAA immediately after its Aug. 5 announcement that the school's highly visible nickname, ``Seminoles,'' was defined as ``hostile and abusive'' by a committee.

The NCAA said it would handle reviews from other schools on a case-by-case basis. The Illinois Fighting Illini, Utah Utes and North Dakota Fighting Sioux are among other prominent school nicknames that remain affected by the edict.

Under the NCAA restrictions, teams with American Indian nicknames would not be able to use them in postseason tournaments.

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NCAA RULES IN FSU'S FAVOR

Aug. 23, 2005

Tallahassee, Fla. -

Statement by NCAA Senior Vice-President for Governance and Membership Bernard Franklin on Florida State University Review

"The NCAA staff review committee has removed Florida State University from the list of colleges and universities subject to restrictions on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery at NCAA championships.

"The NCAA Executive Committee continues to believe the stereotyping of Native Americans is wrong. However, in its review of the particular circumstances regarding Florida State, the staff review committee noted the unique relationship between the university and the Seminole Tribe of Florida as a significant factor. The NCAA recognizes the many different points of view on this matter, particularly within the Native American community. The decision of a namesake sovereign tribe, regarding when and how its name and imagery can be used, must be respected even when others may not agree.

"The NCAA position on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery has not changed, and the NCAA remains committed to ensuring an atmosphere of respect and sensitivity for all who participate in and attend our championships. This decision applies to the unique relationship Florida State University has with the Seminole Tribe of Florida. Requests for reviews from other institutions will be handled on a case-by-case basis."

Statement from Florida State University President T.K. Wetherell on Today's NCAA Ruling:

I was pleased to be informed today by the National College Athletic Association of its decision to accept Florida State University's use of the Seminole name, related symbols and imagery. We understand this decision means that as long as the university has the support of our "namesake" tribe, the Seminole Tribe of Florida, our display of the Seminole name and related symbols on student-athletes' uniforms will be permanently accepted in NCAA national and regional championship competitions.

We also understand that this acceptance applies to the uniforms of Florida State University band members, cheerleaders or dance-team members and "performance" paraphernalia they might use at NCAA national and regional championship competitions or other NCAA- sponsored events.

And finally, it is our understanding that the NCAA's amended policy now allows for the use of Native American names and symbols by those universities that have received the express support of their "namesake" tribes. I am happy that the will of these namesake tribes now will be respected.

For nearly 60 years, this university has proudly identified itself with the indomitable spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida, and we look forward to continuing our close relationship with this courageous tribe for many years to come.

Florida State University now is prepared to begin its academic year and put this issue behind us once and for all.

I would like to extend my personal thanks to the members of the Seminole Tribe of Florida for their continued support, as well as their recent public efforts to create better understanding of our relationship. I also appreciate the good communication from members of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma on this matter, and look forward to continuing our positive relationship with them.

Finally, we are thankful for the overwhelming support of our FSU family, including students, alumni and friends, government and civic leaders and the public at large.

STATEMENT FROM DAVE HART DIRECTOR OF ATHLETICS AT FLORIDA STATE

This is an outcome one would expect reasonable people to reach. This is the right thing to do in this instance and I am happy this was the end result of our appeal being heard. I now hope that other universities will benefit in similar fashion from the appeal we submitted.


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The United States Commission on Civil Rights

Statement on the Use of Native American Images
and Nicknames as Sports Symbols

Issued: April 13, 2001

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights calls for an end to the use of Native American images and team names by non-Native schools. The Commission deeply respects the right of all Americans to freedom of expression under the First Amendment and in no way would attempt to prescribe how people can express themselves. However, the Commission believes that the use of Native American images and nicknames in schools is insensitive and should be avoided. In addition, some Native American and civil rights advocates maintain that these mascots may violate anti-discrimination laws.

These references, whether mascots and their performances, logos, or names, are disrespectful and offensive to American Indians and others who are offended by such stereotyping. They are particularly inappropriate and insensitive in light of the long history of forced assimilation that American Indian people have endured in this country. Since the civil rights movement of the 1960s many overtly derogatory symbols and images offensive to African-Americans have been eliminated. However, many secondary schools, post-secondary institutions, and a number of professional sports teams continue to use Native American nicknames and imagery. Since the 1970s, American Indians leaders and organizations have vigorously voiced their opposition to these mascots and team names because they mock and trivialize Native American religion and culture.

It is particularly disturbing that Native American references are still to be found in educational institutions, whether elementary, secondary or post-secondary. Schools are places where diverse groups of people come together to learn not only the "Three Rs," but also how to interact respectfully with people from different cultures. The use of stereotypical images of Native Americans by educational institutions has the potential to create a racially hostile educational environment that may be intimidating to Indian students. American Indians have the lowest high school graduation rates in the nation and even lower college attendance and graduation rates. The perpetuation of harmful stereotypes may exacerbate these problems.

The stereotyping of any racial, ethnic, religious or other groups when promoted by our public educational institutions, teach all students that stereotyping of minority groups is acceptable, a dangerous lesson in a diverse society. Schools have a responsibility to educate their students; they should not use their influence to perpetuate misrepresentations of any culture or people.

Children at the elementary and secondary levels usually have no choice about which school they attend. Further, the assumption that a college student may freely choose another educational institution if she feels uncomfortable around Indian-based imagery is a false one. Many factors, from educational programs to financial aid to proximity to home, limit a college student's choices. It is particularly onerous if the student must also consider whether or not the institution is maintaining a racially hostile environment for Indian students.

Schools that continue the use of Indian imagery and references claim that their use stimulates interest in Native American culture and honors Native Americans. These institutions have simply failed to listen to the Native groups, religious leaders, and civil rights organizations that oppose these symbols. These Indian-based symbols and team names are not accurate representations of Native Americans. Even those that purport to be positive are romantic stereotypes that give a distorted view of the past. These false portrayals prevent non-Native Americans from understanding the true historical and cultural experiences of American Indians. Sadly, they also encourage biases and prejudices that have a negative effect on contemporary Indian people.

These references may encourage interest in mythical "Indians" created by the dominant culture, but they block genuine understanding of contemporary Native people as fellow Americans. The Commission assumes that when Indian imagery was first adopted or sports mascots it was not to offend Native Americans. However, the use of the imagery and traditions, no matter how popular, should end when they are offensive. We applaud those who have been leading the fight to educate the public and the institutions that have voluntarily discontinued the use of insulting mascots. Dialogue and education are the roads to understanding.

The use of American Indian mascots is not a trivial matter. The Commission has a firm understanding of the problems of poverty, education, housing, and health care that face many Native Americans. The fight to eliminate Indian nicknames and images in sports is only one front of the larger battle to eliminate obstacles that confront American Indians. The elimination of Native American nicknames and images as sports mascots will benefit not only Native Americans, but all Americans. The elimination of stereotypes will make room for education about real Indian people, current Native American issues, and the rich variety of American Indians in our country.

Presented by Commissioner Elsie Meeks, Adopted by The United States Commission on Civil Rights April 13, 2001


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since the Florida tribe of the Seminoles encourages FSU's use of such name-is it discrimanation?
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Laettner's Legacy Wrote:since the Florida tribe of the Seminoles encourages FSU's use of such name-is it discrimanation?
U. of Kansas students don't want to schedule schools with Indian mascots:

<a href='http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=7000' target='_blank'>http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=di...article_id=7000</a>
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Like we want to play Kansas schools :laugh: :roflol:
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Who the hell cares what anyone has to say on this issue, its done, over with.
The Seminole tribe of Florida approves of Florida State using the Seminole name so again who cares what any organization says about the matter.
The hypocritical organization better known as the NCAA had no problem what so ever selling college merchandise of Florida State from their own website that uses the Seminole name but they do not want FSU to use the name.
As long as the NCAA is making money I guess its o.k. to sell the merchandise, what a bunch of idiots.
As for who Kansas want to schedule and who they dont want to schedule, that sounds like a personal problem to me, I think the real reason they dont want to schedule FSU is because of that *** beating they got back in 1993 during the Pig Skin Classic, they dont want to go through the same thing again 12 years later.
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Amen Brother NOLE 04-rock
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04-rock

Oh, oh oohohohoho...

Sorry, a chant is kinda hard to type.
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BamaBlazer Wrote:04-rock

Oh, oh oohohohoho...

Sorry, a chant is kinda hard to type.
You did a mighty fine job on the warchant BamaBlazer


Thank you... :D

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10-11-2005 11:19 PM
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ZippyRulz Wrote:
Laettner's Legacy Wrote:since the Florida tribe of the Seminoles encourages FSU's use of such name-is it discrimanation?
U. of Kansas students don't want to schedule schools with Indian mascots:

<a href='http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=7000' target='_blank'>http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=di...article_id=7000</a>

How did I miss this thread??????

Zippy Pooh...

The last time Kansas played us, we put a 42-0 ass-kickin' on them...that
included a 12 play goal-line stand, where the JayHawks ran 7 consecutive plays from the one yard line and never scored.

Believe me...Having an Indian nickname has NOTHING TO DO, with why
Kansas won't play us.

Care to debate...

Kansas has just completed their 2006 football schedule. The 12th team
selected...La-Monroe. Nickname: "Indians"

Head on back to "Never-Never Land"...Mother Goose is calling.
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