Oh, there's no way.

By the way, if you're wondering why previous good ETSU teams from the Southern Conference days didn't make the NIT (1993, 2001, 2002)- a school of thought might be the amount of out of conference wins.

Those teams didn't have any wins against large schools.

The 1982-83 Bucs, meanwhile, which made the NITs, had wins against South Carolina (at home!), Mississippi, and California and so were able to make the NITs.

Interesting note about 1982-83, I distinctly remember that year as one in which Chattanooga had a GREAT team. I think they only lost three games and spent much of the season nationally ranked.

And that was the only thing keeping the Bucs from an NCAA berth that year. At 22-9, that was a strong second place team.

In comparison, the only game ETSU played this year that you could say "You know- that was a good win over a good team" was that road game at Belmont.

Kev,

Why all the hate toward ETSU. You and Pitt both seem to think we've been the Gonzaga of the South for decades and just decided to hang it up with the move to the A-Sun. The truth is we've had 12 seasons of 20 wins or more over the last 56 years. While that's respectable, it's not like we're Duke. And while seven trips to the NCAA is fantastic, that's still just seven trips in five decades. Plus, I love it when you bring up the Top 10 rating. Sure, that was unbelievable. It was also one time in the program's HISTORY.

Don't get me wrong, the 89 to 92 run was terrific. In many ways a once in a lifetime thing. And sure, who wouldn't want those days to return? But for you guys to continuously bash the current 24-win campaign and act like nothing has been accomplished is disappointing. Have some perspective.

By the way, projections are just projections. Let's wait and see where the Bucs and ASU end up seeded. I will be surprised if the Mountaineers are indeed a #2 seed. Let's point out, again, that ASU did lose -- at home -- to Elon and on the road at Furman this year. I don't think that would count on the "quality loss" list.

By the way, when asked if the OVC was a conference, Cowherd said "No." Unbelievable.

Sorry, posted in the wrong thread.

The reason why is because for the last four years the administration has been selling us a bill of goods.

This 24 win season is clearly a smokescreen. In the So Con, it would have been a .500 team at best.

And why is it that to defend this team, you must strip down the Bucs' history?

I have never said we were a second coming of Kentucky. We aren't even the second coming of WESTERN Kentucky!

But ETSU has been respectible and was on its way up to again having national prominance before Mullins and Stanton got their mitts on this thing.

Please, don't take my earlier post the wrong way.

I'm not dumbing down the history. I'm simply saying that to read you and Kev, this program is heading in the wrong direction. However, what I see are championships in volleyball, men's indoor track, men's basketball and women's tennis all in the last year. Not to mention a baseball team that's enjoying unprecedented success (three straight 30-win seasons), a men's golf program ranked in the nation's Top 15, and a men's tennis program that ranks among the nation's Top 50.

You say the program has gone in the wrong direction, but since Mullins took over there have been two 24-plus win seasons in men's basketball, two regular season titles and two postseason trips (in four years).

All I'm saying is given the history of ETSU athletics, the program in the last four years is actually performing better than in the past (and this is with two seasons in the SoCon and two in the A-Sun). Obviously, we all want to do even better, that's the American way, but to completely dismiss the program's current success is simply not fair.

If I'm getting C's in the 10th grade and then decide to drop down to the 8th where I will get A's- am I really going in the right direction?

What I see is no football, unethical treatment of the media and therefore fans, and a basketball program that is not on par with what it was prior to Mullins.

You're giving me women's tennis.

Mullins is the worst AD in the NCAA. End of discussion.

Buc 2002:
Kudos for your sensible posts. Indeed some perspective is needed. I think some posters here have personal issues with members of the administration, and that's fine. But I wish they would post about those issues instead of denigrating the efforts of a 24-win hoops team.

I would encourage ETSU fans to appreciate what you have, on the floor, regardless of whatever personal feelings you might have about some higher ups.

I've never heard Joe Avento, Kenny Hawkins, PJ, Kasey Marler, Wes, Seth, Farkas, or anyone else complain about unethical treatment. Marky you have to be a member of the media first, you're not little boy. You're still unemployed begging for anyone to hire you for a week so you can say or do something completely stupid and get fired again. What the real world sees is a football team that's one student vote away from coming back, a city that has basically said we're waiting on ETSU to find out how much money we're spending on either Memorial Stadium or building a new stadium closer to ETSU, and more success in sports that we've never had success in. As much as I poor mouth the relevance of college baseball, they won a ton of games last season and that doesn't look bad when you're re-organizing and shopping for a new home.

The reason is because none of those guys had the guts to expose Mullins' cover-up of the Ed DeChellis interview with Penn State.

A student vote and $15 million, and an AD that doesn't want it back, and a College President that we both agree is Commandant Lassard.

I think I would like to be Zed. I mean, eventually I'd get to become engaged to Nikki Cox.

The difference is Lassard has done many many wonderful things, and knows many many wonderful people. You're still an out of work hack who can't get a job anywhere.

Making sure the professors have to work for less while seeing to it this becomes a school full of people who shoot infants full of thermisal.

Oh. Yeah. Wonderful guy.

Seeing new dormitories built, buildings in the process of being renovated, enrollment increasing (though not at the rate of other TBR institutions). Marky, you're mom is underpaid BECAUSE SHE'S AN ART TEACHER! In the big boy world Art classes are IRRELEVANT. This is a business, and the only things that are going to really make the cash are Pharmacy, medicine, nursing, business and technology (incl. digital media). In all seriousness though, Subway is hiring, you should really go soon. I'd hate to think I had to shop in Virginia all the time so my tax dollars didn't help give you a welfare check.

I always love the "you can't get a job" jab that you throw at each other. That always makes for a fun afternoon.

It's entertainment. Somebody has to do it I guess. It would be alot more productive to have realistic discussion about ETSU, but very few people want to be realistic about where we were, where we are now, and how to work towards attaining our goals of growing the program. Unfortunately we get comments like: "There's not alot of difference between the Missouri Valley and the Socon," or blah blah blah Mullins and Stanton treated me unethical, blah blah blah none of the other sports are improving, blah blah blah...
Knowing how many people DO read this board, then it would be very easy if most of the people here would step out of fantasy land and get it done.

Let's revive this-

After 74 posts it is generally accepted the loss to Belmont was the worst in ETSU history.

Now, my question is what would it take to wipe this away, and what would it take to EXCEED this?

A double-digit loss to UVA-Wise would exceed the Belmont loss.

I thought the Vandy game was more embarrassing.

ETSUfan1 Wrote:I thought the Vandy game was more embarrassing.

Why? They lost to an SEC team, by more then I liked but not unexpected and they were supposed to lose. Agianist Belmont they got crushed on thier home court by a conference rival when they were the #1 seed and should be favored to win. It wasn't so much that they lost but how they lost, how totally dominated they were by a team that shouldn't be able to do that to them. Plus it was on National TV a chance at the Big Dance.. everything on the line and in thier favor and they not only failed they failed misersably.

R

Have to agree. There is no way we should accept playing that way. People can talk all they want about "what a good game Belmont played" and they played well but we were responsible for that blow out and we know it. There was no intensity, desire or effort in a game that meant so much.