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Akron...What a School!
2 more felons in dorms

By Carol Biliczky
Beacon Journal staff writer

Two more University of Akron students have stepped forward to say they were assigned to live in university housing with convicted felons.

That makes four students in three years who unknowingly were paired with roommates with criminal histories.

One of the students, Will Voelkerding of Medina, said he came to UA this fall knowing that there had been controversy on campus and even joked about it.

``I said at my (high school) graduation I'd probably get paired with a felon, and that's exactly what happened,'' said Voelkerding, an 18-year-old freshman. ``I couldn't believe it.''

In prepared remarks, UA spokesman Ken Torisky said student safety was a top priority for the university, and that it would be ``enhancing'' its residence hall policies in coming weeks, possibly at the next UA trustees meeting Dec. 13.

That could mean stiffening its policy to resemble those of other state universities such as Ohio State, Kent State and Miami University.

They ask housing applicants if they have a criminal history and offer housing based on the nature of their crime. Ex-cons with nonviolent crimes still may be allowed housing.

Now, UA doesn't discriminate against people with criminal pasts, UA spokespeople have said repeatedly.

Residence halls are open to all, with grants available to financially disadvantaged students to cover the $8,000-a-year cost of living and eating there.

In the most recent incident at UA, a 23-year-old offender told Voelkerding within minutes of meeting him that he'd just gotten out of the Lorain Correctional Institution, where he served three years for aggravated robbery and burglary.

Their room in Spanton Hall looked just like his cell, he told Voelkerding.

When Voelkerding told his mother, she left work to rush to UA to remove her son.

``I was livid,'' Marianne Kirchenbauer said. ``What do you do? How can they justify charging what they do and then putting him in with an ex-con?''

Voelkerding talked her out of moving him out.

``He felt he was mature enough to handle it,'' his mother said. ``I had to let go and trust his judgment.''

Over the next three months, the roommate kept pets (eight mice and two ferrets) and read a satanic bible, Voelkerding said. The two didn't socialize outside of the dorm; Voelkerding went home three or four times a week.

While Voelkerding chose to ride the semester out, Kirchenbauer complained four times to UA housing officials, she said. Each time she was told, ``This is the diversity we offer our students.''

Torisky said UA only will consider complaints that are filed by the student.

The arrangement came to an abrupt end last month when the ex-con moved out. UA confirms he is no longer a student.

Voelkerding will be moving home for the next semester in January.

In the second case, Kyle Duitch was a freshman from Canton when he was assigned in 2004 to live in Bulger Hall with a 41-year-old ex-convict who had served five months for drug trafficking in 2002 and nine months for burglary in 2004, according to public records.

Duitch learned of his roommate's background within a few weeks and was leery, he said.

The roommate left for days at a time and once threatened him, recalled Duitch, now 23 and a senior majoring in information systems management.

That prompted Duitch to go to the on-site student supervisor -- the residence adviser -- in his dorm and then to the RA's supervisor. He wanted UA to move his roommate, not him, because the two shared an apartment-like setup of two bedrooms with a living room that Duitch didn't want to leave.

University officials said they ``couldn't discriminate against felons,'' Duitch recalled.

His roommate abruptly left mid-semester, taking his keys with him. Since he didn't officially drop out, UA wouldn't change the locks on the door in case he would be back, Duitch reported. He never saw him again.

``By then I was fed up with the whole dorm life thing,'' Duitch said. Midway through the following semester, he moved to a private apartment.

Torisky, the UA spokesman, confirmed that UA knew of Duitch's complaints and was investigating them when the roommate left, ending the matter.

The Akron Beacon Journal attempted to reach the ex-convicts through searches of public records and by contacting the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, but was unsuccessful.

Last month, the university kicked an ex-convict out of Bulger Hall when he was accused of new crimes. The defendant is 45 and his former roommate, a freshman from Homeworth, Ohio, is 19. The student asked that his name not be used.

In 2004, the university also assigned a 36-year-old drug informant to a room in Wallaby Hall with a 23-year-old law student from Virginia.

Last month, the university awarded Jerry ``Jay'' Williams $8,000 to settle his grievance on that housing arrangement.

The informant's testimony about marijuana sales led a UA judicial panel to kick another student, Charles Plinton, out of school and to revoke his housing contract, even though Plinton was found innocent of the crime by a common pleas jury. Plinton killed himself last December.

Two lawsuits are pending against the university in regard to the Plinton case case.
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jupitertoo Wrote:``This is the diversity we offer our students.''

Pathetic spin. It's like calling software glitches "features".

These people should be fired, because they haven't "offered" this to students, they have forced them into this situation. A university shouldn't tolerate such stupidity from its staff, particualrly when it involves semantics and double-speak.
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ok, I don't think people in there 40's should be living in dorms but you can't profile people because they have a criminal record and/or deny their admittance to a university or them living in dorms.

This is a catch 22. If you profile them and deny there admittance you will get sued for not allowing them to live their 'rehabilatated lives' and on the other hand you have the current situation where there is a lot of bad press and students coming out saying they tried to move rooms. In this situation where a student requests a room change is where I think the university screwed up. You need to allow room changes especially if the students are concerned about their safety.

Also the other universities mentioned have no stiffer admission policy then Akron. The only difference is that they have a check 'yes' or 'no' box on whether they have lived a criminal life style. This can be easily manipulated and there are no further checks beyond this box.
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J-BIDDY Wrote:ok, I don't think people in there 40's should be living in dorms but you can't profile people because they have a criminal record and/or deny their admittance to a university or them living in dorms.

I wouldn't deny them admittance...that would be wrong.

However, the dorm life can be treated differently, simply because alternatives for housing exist. If nothing else, you can insist they live in single unit dorms, unless they find a willing roommate who knows their history.

Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.


Quote:This is a catch 22. If you profile them and deny there admittance you will get sued for not allowing them to live their 'rehabilatated lives'

You might. But, better to the court of public opinion on *your* side, than take the other position. That's what is so damn stupid and cowardly about bureaucrats who let this happen. People don't want to see criminals get treated better than the law-abiding citizens.

Besides, universities have found ways to take liberties with all sorts of civil liberties, I'm sure they could find ways around this.
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DrTorch Wrote:
J-BIDDY Wrote:ok, I don't think people in there 40's should be living in dorms but you can't profile people because they have a criminal record and/or deny their admittance to a university or them living in dorms.

I wouldn't deny them admittance...that would be wrong.

However, the dorm life can be treated differently, simply because alternatives for housing exist. If nothing else, you can insist they live in single unit dorms, unless they find a willing roommate who knows their history.

Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.


Quote:This is a catch 22. If you profile them and deny there admittance you will get sued for not allowing them to live their 'rehabilatated lives'

You might. But, better to the court of public opinion on *your* side, than take the other position. That's what is so damn stupid and cowardly about bureaucrats who let this happen. People don't want to see criminals get treated better than the law-abiding citizens.

Besides, universities have found ways to take liberties with all sorts of civil liberties, I'm sure they could find ways around this.

There is no self responsibility out there in public institutions since the ACLU has taken it upon themselves to push there crazy agenda. THey would be the first, after they eliminate Christmas and free all the enemies of this country that want to blow us up, to stand up for forcing felons to live w/tuition paying kids that are looking to learn and enjoy the best 4 years of their lives. Its absurd.

You can't deny admittance but you can inform the tution paying kid of his surroundings, at least.
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Quote:There isa no self responsibility out there in public institutions since the ACLU has taken it upon themselves to push there crazy agenda. THey would be the first, after they eliminate Christmas and free all the enemies of this country that want to blow us up,

This takes the cake for the dumbest bit of garbage you've ever spewed on this board, and that's saying something. Sheesh.

Quote:Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.

Wrong. Dorms are an important part of bridging the gap between living at home and living totally on your own. There are kids who don't need that experience to get off to a successful start in college, but there are many others who do. Living in the dorms is a rewarding, academically enriching experience for many students who live there. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that overall, kids who live in the dorms probably do better academically than kids who live off-campus.

I only lived one year in the dorms at BSU. But I'm thankful that I did. I made several friends for life that I wouldn't have met otherwise at such a large institution, and the experience served me well when I moved off-campus and had to deal with all of the responsibilities of living on your own for the first time with no supervision.

To say nothing of the fact that dorms are the *only* source of remotely affordable housing at many universities located in major cities and certain affluent locales.

And dorms have been around a lot longer than 50 years, so you'll have to come up with another excuse for the fall of the U.S. educational system, as you allege.
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:
Quote:There isa no self responsibility out there in public institutions since the ACLU has taken it upon themselves to push there crazy agenda. THey would be the first, after they eliminate Christmas and free all the enemies of this country that want to blow us up,

This takes the cake for the dumbest bit of garbage you've ever spewed on this board, and that's saying something. Sheesh.

Quote:Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.

Wrong. Dorms are an important part of bridging the gap between living at home and living totally on your own. There are kids who don't need that experience to get off to a successful start in college, but there are many others who do. Living in the dorms is a rewarding, academically enriching experience for many students who live there. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that overall, kids who live in the dorms probably do better academically than kids who live off-campus.

I only lived one year in the dorms at BSU. But I'm thankful that I did. I made several friends for life that I wouldn't have met otherwise at such a large institution, and the experience served me well when I moved off-campus and had to deal with all of the responsibilities of living on your own for the first time with no supervision.

To say nothing of the fact that dorms are the *only* source of remotely affordable housing at many universities located in major cities and certain affluent locales.

And dorms have been around a lot longer than 50 years, so you'll have to come up with another excuse for the fall of the U.S. educational system, as you allege.

Papa,
Great informative response, as always. I thought you would still be in Venezuela celebrating. Congrats on Chavez BTW.
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connerito Wrote:
Papa Lou BSU Wrote:
Quote:There isa no self responsibility out there in public institutions since the ACLU has taken it upon themselves to push there crazy agenda. THey would be the first, after they eliminate Christmas and free all the enemies of this country that want to blow us up,

This takes the cake for the dumbest bit of garbage you've ever spewed on this board, and that's saying something. Sheesh.

Quote:Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.

Wrong. Dorms are an important part of bridging the gap between living at home and living totally on your own. There are kids who don't need that experience to get off to a successful start in college, but there are many others who do. Living in the dorms is a rewarding, academically enriching experience for many students who live there. In fact, I'd be willing to wager that overall, kids who live in the dorms probably do better academically than kids who live off-campus.

I only lived one year in the dorms at BSU. But I'm thankful that I did. I made several friends for life that I wouldn't have met otherwise at such a large institution, and the experience served me well when I moved off-campus and had to deal with all of the responsibilities of living on your own for the first time with no supervision.

To say nothing of the fact that dorms are the *only* source of remotely affordable housing at many universities located in major cities and certain affluent locales.

And dorms have been around a lot longer than 50 years, so you'll have to come up with another excuse for the fall of the U.S. educational system, as you allege.

Papa,
Great informative response, as always. I thought you would still be in Venezuela celebrating. Congrats on Chavez BTW.
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Akron is open admission and the reason jupiteroo hates us so much is he was so dumb that even Akron had to turn him/her down. Because he has to live with the disgrace of being the only poor soul rejected by Akron, he vows for vengeance by posting meaningless rhetoric on sports message boards. He is currently working on his gay rights studies degree at a local crack house. Good for him 02-13-banana
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Not quite. I work at the university as a tenured professor. Nice try though.
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:
Quote:Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.

Wrong. Dorms are an important part of bridging the gap between living at home and living totally on your own. There are kids who don't need that experience to get off to a successful start in college, but there are many others who do. Living in the dorms is a rewarding, academically enriching experience for many students who live there.

Yeah, "academically enriching" from your perspective seems to be learning to set your own alarm clock.

Quote:In fact, I'd be willing to wager that overall, kids who live in the dorms probably do better academically than kids who live off-campus.

And like usual, you would lose. Because you don't base your opinions in facts and reality, you conjure them up in a pretend world that you'd like to see.


Quote:I only lived one year in the dorms at BSU. But I'm thankful that I did. I made several friends for life that I wouldn't have met otherwise at such a large institution, and the experience served me well when I moved off-campus and had to deal with all of the responsibilities of living on your own for the first time with no supervision.

The logical fallacies are obvious. Who says kids wouldn't "grow up" sooner if forced to do so.
Of course "Papa" if parents actually raised their kids to be responsible adults, instead of expecting entitlements like you do, maybe this wouldn't even be an issue.

Quote:And dorms have been around a lot longer than 50 years, so you'll have to come up with another excuse for the fall of the U.S. educational system, as you allege.

Once again you set up your own logical fallacies. Universities (particularly state and land grant) grew rapidly post WWII. University presidents stopped being academics, and started being PR and sales men whose job was to tap into the huge cold-war dollars. They also started expanding rapidly to accomodate the GI Bill soldiers, and then the baby boomers...this meant manymore dorms, and many more "students" who weren't there to study, but rather extend their adolescence and "teenage" years...stages which were virtually invented in the 1950s and 60s. (Guess that explains your "lifelong friends", and lack of education).

While dorms certainly existed prior to this era, they were not overly common, nor particularly popular. Why do you think fraternity "houses" developed? They were a place for people to reside, not party.

Every time you get on this board it's to attack something I've written. I'd think you'd learn by now Papa Lou, that you look more stupid every time you try this, because you're a f'n pompous moron, who doesn't know jack ****. Ironically, this is exactly my criticism of Chicagoans, and you come through every time to prove me right.
Why don't you go sign up for some basic courses at Kendall/Loyala/DePaul so you can at least converse on this board with some level of compotence?
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jupitertoo Wrote:Not quite. I work at the university as a tenured professor. Nice try though.


If you work at Akron as you make it sound. Please quit right now, you are one of the lowest life forms on this planet. Why the hell would you think it to be a good idea to rub the schools face in the mud who pays you? Coming online here in an Athletics message board stating this ridiculous crap. That is just absurd.
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jupitertoo Wrote:Not quite. I work at the university as a tenured professor. Nice try though.

Don't you professors have anything better to do then? I would like to think so. I always thought professors were sort of a weird bunch anyway.

I have a new theory on flamer "Dr." jupiteroo who ironically has "roo" in his SN. "Dr." Jupiteroooooo failed to get his much coveted raise from Dr. Proenza because he is one of those sucky professors who gets crappy reviews from students. He would love to get out of Akron, JBiddy, but the problem is NOBODY ELSE WANTS THIS SCUMBAG.

So Doc, what do you teach, intro to basket weaving? lmfao My grandma would love to learn how. lmfao
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akronzip Wrote:
jupitertoo Wrote:Not quite. I work at the university as a tenured professor. Nice try though.

Don't you professors have anything better to do then? I would like to think so. I always thought professors were sort of a weird bunch anyway.

I have a new theory on flamer "Dr." jupiteroo who ironically has "roo" in his SN. "Dr." Jupiteroooooo failed to get his much coveted raise from Dr. Proenza because he is one of those sucky professors who gets crappy reviews from students. He would love to get out of Akron, JBiddy, but the problem is NOBODY ELSE WANTS THIS SCUMBAG.

So Doc, what do you teach, intro to basket weaving? lmfao My grandma would love to learn how. lmfao

03-hissyfit Please somebody hire him away from Akron so that he can talk trash about your school! 03-hissyfit
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DrTorch Wrote:
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Quote:Anyway, dorms are an anathema on the university system. They have been a huge part of the decline of education seen in the US over the past 50 years.
Dorms make money for schools. Period. They don't help students. In fact, in general they are legalized tenaments.

Wrong. Dorms are an important part of bridging the gap between living at home and living totally on your own. There are kids who don't need that experience to get off to a successful start in college, but there are many others who do. Living in the dorms is a rewarding, academically enriching experience for many students who live there.

Yeah, "academically enriching" from your perspective seems to be learning to set your own alarm clock.

Quote:In fact, I'd be willing to wager that overall, kids who live in the dorms probably do better academically than kids who live off-campus.

And like usual, you would lose. Because you don't base your opinions in facts and reality, you conjure them up in a pretend world that you'd like to see.


Quote:I only lived one year in the dorms at BSU. But I'm thankful that I did. I made several friends for life that I wouldn't have met otherwise at such a large institution, and the experience served me well when I moved off-campus and had to deal with all of the responsibilities of living on your own for the first time with no supervision.

The logical fallacies are obvious. Who says kids wouldn't "grow up" sooner if forced to do so.
Of course "Papa" if parents actually raised their kids to be responsible adults, instead of expecting entitlements like you do, maybe this wouldn't even be an issue.

Quote:And dorms have been around a lot longer than 50 years, so you'll have to come up with another excuse for the fall of the U.S. educational system, as you allege.

Once again you set up your own logical fallacies. Universities (particularly state and land grant) grew rapidly post WWII. University presidents stopped being academics, and started being PR and sales men whose job was to tap into the huge cold-war dollars. They also started expanding rapidly to accomodate the GI Bill soldiers, and then the baby boomers...this meant manymore dorms, and many more "students" who weren't there to study, but rather extend their adolescence and "teenage" years...stages which were virtually invented in the 1950s and 60s. (Guess that explains your "lifelong friends", and lack of education).

While dorms certainly existed prior to this era, they were not overly common, nor particularly popular. Why do you think fraternity "houses" developed? They were a place for people to reside, not party.

Every time you get on this board it's to attack something I've written. I'd think you'd learn by now Papa Lou, that you look more stupid every time you try this, because you're a f'n pompous moron, who doesn't know jack ****. Ironically, this is exactly my criticism of Chicagoans, and you come through every time to prove me right.
Why don't you go sign up for some basic courses at Kendall/Loyala/DePaul so you can at least converse on this board with some level of compotence?

You're the guy that cooked up the crackpot theory with no data. And you're the ******* engineer.

If you guys intend to drop the eight-plus years of mutual hostility and actually have an intelligent discussion on this point, both of you might want to try doing five minutes worth of Google research before resuming pissing down each other's legs.

As for the merits, I note only that the residential house system has been around at the Ivies for years and at English universities for centuries.

Meanwhile, I'll get back to trying to do my day job while dispensing occasional one-liners, which is all I'm good for around here any more.
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DevilGrad Wrote:You're the guy that cooked up the crackpot theory with no data. And you're the **** engineer.

Crackpot theory?

(I'm a scientist btw)
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Quote:Of course "Papa" if parents actually raised their kids to be responsible adults, instead of expecting entitlements like you do, maybe this wouldn't even be an issue

Wait, one post ago, you were saying dorms were nothing but revenue generators for greedy universities. Now you're calling them "entitlements" for lazy, greedy parents. Which is it?

Make up your mind, already.

Allow me to posit that this sort of dishonest, divisive nonsense from the extreme right, which both you and Connerito parrot so well, is a big reason why you'll be staring up at a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress come January.
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=>This Akron thing is a direct result of the MAC's complete inferiority to everything that is Big Ten (and particularly IU).
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:
Quote:Of course "Papa" if parents actually raised their kids to be responsible adults, instead of expecting entitlements like you do, maybe this wouldn't even be an issue

Wait, one post ago, you were saying dorms were nothing but revenue generators for greedy universities. Now you're calling them "entitlements" for lazy, greedy parents. Which is it?

Make up your mind, already.

Allow me to posit that this sort of dishonest, divisive nonsense from the extreme right, which both you and Connerito parrot so well, is a big reason why you'll be staring up at a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress come January.

Yeah thats it. And your Michael Moore/Al Gore religous hating/Entitlement craving left is on target.

The people voted for conservative democratic congressmen not liberals ( except a few) for congress because the republicans lost control of spending games. The Pelosis and Schumers will be exposed for their socialistic ways soon enough and those southern congressional seats and those in the heartland will be regained. Hopefully the republicans recognize the greatness that was Ronald Reagan and follow his methods, and cut taxes AND spending.


I find it amusing that you challenge Torch on facts. Its like going to gun fight w/a toothpick.

Now I have to get back to work Papa because millions of people on welfare depend upon me for their checks
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:
Quote:Of course "Papa" if parents actually raised their kids to be responsible adults, instead of expecting entitlements like you do, maybe this wouldn't even be an issue

Wait, one post ago, you were saying dorms were nothing but revenue generators for greedy universities. Now you're calling them "entitlements" for lazy, greedy parents. Which is it?

Make up your mind, already.

Allow me to posit that this sort of dishonest, divisive nonsense from the extreme right, which both you and Connerito parrot so well, is a big reason why you'll be staring up at a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress come January.

You're allowed to posit all you want, but as usual you're wrong.

As for divisive, you post nothing for months until you decide to attack me. Typically it's about an issue that you haven't a clue, so what exactly is your excuse? Not that I really care, as I said before, you're a blowhard who vents at people who strive for the worthwhile.
12-06-2006 02:37 PM
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