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WHAT'S A HOOSIER?
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By Diane Carmony

My friend Wendy Citron may have put it best. A native Hoosier now splitting her time between California and Illinois, Wendy thinks Hoosiers a "stupid term" because "nobody knows what it means."
Sure, historians, poets, folklorists, politicians, and plain ol' Hoosier folk have offered plenty of theories. And certainly the term conjures up images as diverse -- from Hoosier basketball players to the Hoosier Dome, from smokestacks in Gary to cornfie lds near Lafayette -- as the state's residents themselves.

But the more I've mulled over the various theories, the more I've come to agree with Wendy: nobody knows what the term Hoosier means. Many of the tales of its origin are colorful but unlikely, and the modern-day connotations vary widely.

In fact, the origin of the word is rooted so deeply in the history of the state that its original meaning probably will never be recovered.

"I think people from various disciplines have tried again and again -- including historians and people who study names. I decided some time ago we'll never know," says IUB history professor James Madison, M A'68, PhD'72, author of The Indiana Way: A State History and editor of the Indiana Magazine of History. "I can't imagine what it is we could find that would give us a definitive answer."

Even so, Indiana historians take care to review the various theories of its origin, and some hail the term as a defining characteristic of its people.

"In the beginning was the word," begins Howard H. Peckham's Indiana: A Bicentennial History. "And the word was Hoosier."

LOCAL COLOR

As Peckham states -- and most Hoosier historians seem to agree -- the historical explanations are "more ingenious than real."

Still, the many theories are fascinating in their diversity. Take the one that has a contractor in 1825 named either Samuel Hoosier or Hoosher. His workers, who helped build a c**** on the Ohio River, were predominantly from Indiana. They were called "Hoo sier's men" or "Hoosiers."

A more colorful tale has the word deriving from the phrase fearful early settlers called out when startled by a knock on their cabin door: "Who's here? -- a call that over time degenerated into Hoosier.

And then there's the tongue-in-cheek explanation of Hoosier poet James Whitcomb Riley, who related the term to the roughness and ferocity of the state's early residents. Hoosier pioneers fo ught so violently, Riley contended, that noses were bitten off and eyes jabbed out during these brawls. Hoosier, said Riley, descends from the question posed by a stranger after entering a southern Indiana tavern and pushing a piece of human flesh with hi s boot toe: "Who's ear?"

Not nearly so clever but perhaps more plausible is the suggestion by Peckham and others that the term may derive from "hoozer" -- a word that in the ***berland dialect of Old England means "high hills."

"By extension, it was attached to a hill-dweller or highlander and came to suggest roughness and uncouthness," Peckham states. "Thus, throughout the Southeast in the eighteenth century, 'Hoosier' was used generally to describe a backwoodsman, especially a n ignorant boaster, with an overtone of crudeness and even lawlessness."

That theory has won the most favor from Warren Roberts, MA'50, PhD'53, an IUB folklore professor who has shown how family surnames may have brought this form of Hoosier from Britain to its Midwest resting place.

A series of letters in The Wall Street Journal in 1987 gave many of these same theories about the origin of the term. The final letter on the subject came from then-Gov. Robert D. Orr, LLD'85, who declared that the origin of the term should remain a mystery. Concluded the governor: "Those unfortunate souls who, for some reason, live elsewhere may continue to speculate as to the origin of our name; and we Hoosiers will continue to enjoy their doing so."

Whatever its origin, historians agree that the nickname for Indiana residents was popularized in the 1800s by novels such as Edward Eggleston's The Hoosier School-Master, by Riley's poetry, and by newspaper articles that used it. As a result, although its historical roots may never be discovered, Hoosier is perhaps the most widely recognized state nickname. But even this modern meaning is ambiguous, and the word's use ranges from complimentary to derisive, depending on who is using it.

HOOSIER PRIDE

"To me, you have to be born into it to be a Hoosier," says Carol Bowers, an IUB senior majoring in psychology and journalism. "If you live someplace else all your life, you can come to Indiana and learn to be a Hoosier, but it will never be a part of you. " For Bowers, who grew up in the southern Indiana town of Salem, the term conjures up pleasant images of small-town life. These are the kinds of places, she says, where everybody knows your name and greets you with sincerity.

"I think small-town Indiana is like no other place on earth," she says. "To me, a Hoosier is someone who was born here and lives here and loves it."

Others are more optimistic about the chances of becoming an adopted Hoosier. "To me, it seems like another Midwesterner could be transplanted to Indiana and be fairly relaxed," says Ell en Kessler, an IUB graduate student from Connecticut. "I think people from the East Coast and from the West would have a harder time. Maybe their kids could be Hoosiers."

Others define the word with a list of values that seem part of the Hoosiers they know: traditional, conservative, family-oriented, relatively self-sufficient, and hard-working. It doesn't take the conscientious newcomer very long to learn the nuances. Blaise Cronin, dean of the School of Library and Information Science, grew up in Ireland and lived in England and Scotland before moving to Indiana last year.

"In the year I've been here, the term has been used frequently and always seems to strike a chord, a resonance," Cronin says. He believes the word conveys pride, a powerful sense of community, a lack of pretense, and a sense of the seasons.

HOOSIER HICK

But while most Indiana residents speak of being Hoosiers with pride, it's not unanimously a compliment. Some of the negative connotations traced by Peckham to "hoozer" seem to have survived. Some Indiana natives, in fact, say they dropped the term after m oving out of state, finding that their new friends ***ociated Hoosiers with roughness and stupidity.

"People think of Hoosiers as a little backwards -- as not quite out of the woods -- but that's not right," says Velma Carmichael, ***istant for special projects for IU's Folklore Ins***ute.

As a U.S. senator in 1987, former Vice President Dan Quayle, JD'74, ***ailed the negative images of the word. As Quayle and Sen. Alfonse D'Amato (R-N.Y.) bickered playfully on the Senate floor about which state's basketball team would win the NCAA champio nships, D'Amato quipped that the dictionary definition of Hoosier proved IU would bungle the job and allow Syracuse to triumph.

Quayle quickly fired off a letter to William A. Llewellyn, president of Merriam-Webster Inc. According to the definition in Webster's Third International Dictionary, Hoosier means not merely a native or resident of Indiana but also "an awkwar d, unhandy, or unskilled person, especially an ignorant rustic" and "to loaf on or botch a job." Surely, Quayle urged, the dictionary should reflect the more flattering side of the term -- its suggestion of widespread friendliness and hospitality -- or at least the long debate over its history.

Llewellyn responded that dictionary editors don't choose definitions but only reflect usage. And he ***ured Quayle that the term shouldn't "be taken to mean that inhabitants of the state are inherently awkward or rustic or anything like that." Quayle clearly considered the Hoosiers' last-minute win over Syracuse the best answer to D'Amato. After the victory, he introduced a non-binding resolution in the Senate defining a Hoosier as "someone who is quick, smart, resourceful, skillful, a winner, unique, and brilliant."

A MIXED HERITAGE

But non-binding resolutions aside, the term still struggles for respect.

"One interesting thing I've noticed in my undergraduate cl***es is how people from the southern part of Indiana call themselves Hoosiers and claim it with pride," says John McDowell, chairman of the IU Folklore Ins***ute. "People from the northern part of the state often don't call themselves Hoosiers, and they're embarr***ed by the term." McDowell notes that the term's connotations correspond with other differences -- topography, climate, settlement patterns -- that differentiate northern and southern Indiana. "What I've found is that for the people from the northern part of the state, the term means images of the backwoods -- sort of 'redneck' -- the southern bumpkin stereotype or the Brown County kind of rural character, and they don't identify with that. The y see themselves as being more cosmopolitan and urban," McDowell observes.

"On the other hand," he continues, "the kids from the southern areas talk about being a Hoosier -- and with pride. To them, it means 'gr***roots,' 'down home,' and 'good community.' It's more about values."

Patrick Furlong, professor of history at IUSB, agrees with McDowell. "To those in northern Indiana, the term does not come naturally," says Furlong, the author of Indiana: An Illustrated History. "I am not comfortable with the term Hoosier ex cept historically. It just doesn't feel right to me."

Jokes about Hoosiers can be fun -- as long as they are made from one Hoosier to another, Madison notes.

"I claim to be a Hoosier," he says. "I've lived here almost half my life. I get upset when outsiders make derogatory comments about Hoosiers. I think that may be a good operational definition of whether you're a Hoosier."

WHAT'S A HOOSIER?

What's a Hoosier? It's clear the mystery is a long way from being solved, but before I give up for good, I turn to my secret source.

Donald F. Carmony, MA'31, PhD'40, is an IU professor emeritus of history -- and my grandfather. Journalistic objectivity aside, I'd believe my grandfather if he told me he'd cracked the Hoosier dilemma.

But instead, my grandfather talks about the virtue of not knowing. The word Hoosier, as McDowell notes, is itself a part of our folklore. How we define it, own up to it, and mock it is a fascinating picture of ourselves. The legends we have created to exp lain it are more Hoosier than reality ever could be.

And my grandfather, named Hoosier historian by the Indiana Historical Society, knows when to leave a good mystery alone.

"When I chaired the state sesquicentennial convention from 1959 to 1967, I was asked that question many times by people," he says. "And I learned something very interesting. I soon learned they didn't want me to tell what I thought. So I'd pause and I'd h esitate and they'd tell me what they thought, which is exactly what they wanted to do.

"To pin it down as having a particular origin or meaning -- I think that discussion is likely to go on forever and ever. In fact, I kind of hope so."

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That's a great article, JD

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One interesting thing I've noticed in my undergraduate cl***es is how people from the southern part of Indiana call themselves Hoosiers and claim it with pride," says John McDowell, chairman of the IU Folklore Ins***ute. "People from the northern part of the state often don't call themselves Hoosiers, and they're embarr***ed by the term."</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have noticed this in many cases. I myself would buy and wear a T-shirt proclaiming, "Im a Hoosier and I'm damn proud of it!" but thats just me. I live in Southern Indiana, and have a lot of cousins/family in both the south and north. But, one thing I've kinda noticed is that even though they are technically Hoosiers, people who attend Purdue or any other college in state are less likely to call themselves Hoosiers, being that Indiana is where the "Hoosiers" are. Thats just been my experience...

Even so, I don't think we'll ever have a direct answer on what a Hoosier is...oh well, i kind of like it that way. It definitely different for everyone.
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BTTT! <img border="0" alt="[Cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/cheers.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by IU_lauren3:
That's a great article, JD

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One interesting thing I've noticed in my undergraduate cl***es is how people from the southern part of Indiana call themselves Hoosiers and claim it with pride," says John McDowell, chairman of the IU Folklore Ins***ute. "People from the northern part of the state often don't call themselves Hoosiers, and they're embarr***ed by the term."</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have noticed this in many cases. I myself would buy and wear a T-shirt proclaiming, "Im a Hoosier and I'm damn proud of it!" but thats just me. I live in Southern Indiana, and have a lot of cousins/family in both the south and north. But, one thing I've kinda noticed is that even though they are technically Hoosiers, people who attend Purdue or any other college in state are less likely to call themselves Hoosiers, being that Indiana is where the "Hoosiers" are. Thats just been my experience...

Even so, I don't think we'll ever have a direct answer on what a Hoosier is...oh well, i kind of like it that way. It definitely different for everyone.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">kinda like here. "Tarheels" takes on two meanings. one is about the univeristy. the other is anyone from North Carolina. I'm a "Tarheel" because I aint a Yankee Duke student-I'm a fan from here.
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Exactly, LL!

I still say former governor, Robert D. Orr, put it best for us ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Those unfortunate souls who, for some reason, live elsewhere may continue to speculate as to the origin of our name; and we Hoosiers will continue to enjoy their doing so."</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IU_lauren3: a Proud Hoosier since 1986 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

[edited because those 4 yrs of being in spell bowl just don't seem to be paying off ...]

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That's the theory, but I didn't actually get to see each up close and personal. And sure his times improved, but that's the progression that should happen at an event...so who know
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Jim Delany is the smartest man in the room. No, really. Six years ago, I named him the most relevant person in college football. Nothing has changed. If anything, the designation for the Big Ten commissioner was too modest.

Delany's clout runs through all of college athletics and is significant. Someday soon, if you believe the rumblings in college sports, the equivalent of a killer asteroid is about to hit. After soaking up the conference expansion vibe for four days at the Final Four, I get the feeling that Delany could be planning one of the most brilliant power plays in the history of college athletics.

He -- officially, his conference -- could force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten. No mating dance as in the past, just a ruthless corporate takeover.

Every casual conversation regarding expansion here seemed to start with the sentence, "The Big Ten is going to do something ..." That has become as much of an assumption as the tournament expanding to 96 teams. The Big Ten said in December it is exploring expansion. The NCAA had a press conference here Thursday to lay out the parameters for a 96-team whoop-de-do. The only question is which will come first.

All of this is still speculation. The Big Ten could do nothing, although few at this point seem to believe it. Already the conference has hired a financial institution to vet potential new members. A search firm has identified 15 possible expansion candidates.

So let's start with the Big Ten expanding to 12 teams, splitting into two divisions and staging a championship game. Except we're aiming too low. Through the entire process, there has existed the possibility that the Big Ten could be that killer asteroid.

Why not go to 12, or 14 teams? Why not blow up the conference landscape and add five schools and go to 16? In that scenario, Notre Dame would be sort of an athletic outlier. Nearby, Purdue and Indiana could be pulling in $25 million a year in an expanded Big Ten for doing little in football. Despite the recent downturn on the field, ND rival Michigan would be getting richer and more powerful.

It almost makes Notre Dame's $15 million-per-year contract with NBC look inadequate.

It could happen if the Big Ten makes an end run and first rips apart the Big East. For years there has been speculation that the Big East was too vulnerable in football with only eight members. It barely hung on after the ACC raid. It is unwieldy in basketball with 16 members. The league is, at best, fourth in revenue produced among BCS leagues.

So call it Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Rutgers to the Big Ten. It doesn't really matter. Replace Rutgers with Missouri, fine. Either way, the Big East wouldn't have enough members to have a viable football conference, per NCAA rules. It would be a diminished basketball league.

The Big 16?
Schembechler Division
Connecticut
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Syracuse
Wisconsin

Grange Division
Illinois
Indiana
Missouri
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Pittsburgh

And Notre Dame wouldn't have a place for its other sports, most of which play in the Big East; this is an all or nothing proposition.

At that point, Irish power brokers would have to think seriously about conference football affiliation. That's what Notre Dame ND Jack Swarbrick was referring to last month in New York when he said if changes were "seismic" enough, his school would have to reconsider its independent status.

Swarbrick basically reiterated those comments last week in Kansas City.

" ... Everything is so unusual right now that you can envision situations where the world changes," Swarbrick told the Kansas City Star. "We hope it doesn't. We don't want it to.

"But we're monitoring that."

The New York-Kansas City statements are as far to the left that any Notre Dame administrator has leaned on the subject of independence. They suggest that Swarbrick knows that he might have to do something radical. Playing neutral site games against the likes of Washington State and Army just isn't getting it. Without conference affiliation or recent national championship hopes, it's basically BCS bowl or bust for ND each year. How about being able to play for a Rose Bowl berth every year?

Delany has a chance not just to reshape the college athletic landscape, but to take it over. Think of a conference that stretches basically from Kansas City to the Atlantic Ocean. At this point, it's not so much about the other teams that join. It's about forcing Notre Dame to make a move. Any Big Ten configuration that includes the Irish enhances the conference's value immensely.

The Big Ten Network is Delany's creation and, since December 2008, a profitable revenue stream. The Big Ten (Big 16?) would be the dominant conference in recruiting areas from the Midwest to New England. The network would be telling those recruits about it every day of the year.

If all that interest drives more folks to watch the BTN in the New York area, you kind of get where this going. It is has much about market share as it is about football excellence.

When the SEC finalized its ESPN/CBS 15-year, $3 billion deal last summer, a lot of us wrote that the conference was taking over the world. Turns out, it was trying to play catch up with the Big Ten. The domino effect may be just starting. If the Big Ten goes to 16, we're talking two eight-team divisions and a potentially mega-championship game. Indianapolis was on fire for the Final Four. Think about a weekend here surrounding a Michigan-Ohio State championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium.

If the Big Ten goes nuts, the ACC may feel compelled to stay competitive and expand itself with Big East leftovers. That conference is currently in negotiations for a new TV deal creating a reason to get bigger -- and richer. The Boston Globe hinted at such major expansion and realignment in a weekend story about Boston College's basketball coaching search.

The rumblings are out there. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying the components are in place for it to happen.

Only the man at the controls of that killer asteroid knows for sure.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegefo...;btn-print

Boston Globe article

But the face of college basketball and of college athletics could be very much in flux. Among the major rumblings is that the Big Ten could have expansion plans involving as many as five teams, with not only Notre Dame but as many as four ACC teams targeted, included BC.

BC officials have said the answer to any Big Ten inquiry would be, “NO, NO, NO.’’ But the Big Ten could take a bite out of New England and New York by grabbing Rutgers, Syracuse, and Connecticut, as well as Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, which would give the Big Ten network coverage from New England through the Midwest and, if Notre Dame were included, across the nation.

With four teams gone, the Big East would collapse, of course, in football, but one of the offshoots would be for the ACC to come in and take the remaining four Big East teams — South Florida, West Virginia, Louisville, and Cincinnati — to create a 16-team megaconference. The SEC would then have to react and would move to take Texas and Texas A&M. And suddenly you would have three 16-team superconferences.

All of that is only in the chatter stage, but the chatter is out there, and it trickles down to how schools compete and how coaches recruit and how athletic directors choose coaches.


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INDIANAPOLIS -- Jim Delany is the smartest man in the room. No, really. Six years ago, I named him the most relevant person in college football. Nothing has changed. If anything, the designation for the Big Ten commissioner was too modest.

Delany's clout runs through all of college athletics and is significant. Someday soon, if you believe the rumblings in college sports, the equivalent of a killer asteroid is about to hit. After soaking up the conference expansion vibe for four days at the Final Four, I get the feeling that Delany could be planning one of the most brilliant power plays in the history of college athletics.

He -- officially, his conference -- could force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten. No mating dance as in the past, just a ruthless corporate takeover.

Every casual conversation regarding expansion here seemed to start with the sentence, "The Big Ten is going to do something ..." That has become as much of an assumption as the tournament expanding to 96 teams. The Big Ten said in December it is exploring expansion. The NCAA had a press conference here Thursday to lay out the parameters for a 96-team whoop-de-do. The only question is which will come first.

All of this is still speculation. The Big Ten could do nothing, although few at this point seem to believe it. Already the conference has hired a financial institution to vet potential new members. A search firm has identified 15 possible expansion candidates.

So let's start with the Big Ten expanding to 12 teams, splitting into two divisions and staging a championship game. Except we're aiming too low. Through the entire process, there has existed the possibility that the Big Ten could be that killer asteroid.

Why not go to 12, or 14 teams? Why not blow up the conference landscape and add five schools and go to 16? In that scenario, Notre Dame would be sort of an athletic outlier. Nearby, Purdue and Indiana could be pulling in $25 million a year in an expanded Big Ten for doing little in football. Despite the recent downturn on the field, ND rival Michigan would be getting richer and more powerful.

It almost makes Notre Dame's $15 million-per-year contract with NBC look inadequate.

It could happen if the Big Ten makes an end run and first rips apart the Big East. For years there has been speculation that the Big East was too vulnerable in football with only eight members. It barely hung on after the ACC raid. It is unwieldy in basketball with 16 members. The league is, at best, fourth in revenue produced among BCS leagues.

So call it Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Rutgers to the Big Ten. It doesn't really matter. Replace Rutgers with Missouri, fine. Either way, the Big East wouldn't have enough members to have a viable football conference, per NCAA rules. It would be a diminished basketball league.

The Big 16?
Schembechler Division
Connecticut
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Syracuse
Wisconsin

Grange Division
Illinois
Indiana
Missouri
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Pittsburgh

And Notre Dame wouldn't have a place for its other sports, most of which play in the Big East; this is an all or nothing proposition.

At that point, Irish power brokers would have to think seriously about conference football affiliation. That's what Notre Dame ND Jack Swarbrick was referring to last month in New York when he said if changes were "seismic" enough, his school would have to reconsider its independent status.

Swarbrick basically reiterated those comments last week in Kansas City.

" ... Everything is so unusual right now that you can envision situations where the world changes," Swarbrick told the Kansas City Star. "We hope it doesn't. We don't want it to.

"But we're monitoring that."

The New York-Kansas City statements are as far to the left that any Notre Dame administrator has leaned on the subject of independence. They suggest that Swarbrick knows that he might have to do something radical. Playing neutral site games against the likes of Washington State and Army just isn't getting it. Without conference affiliation or recent national championship hopes, it's basically BCS bowl or bust for ND each year. How about being able to play for a Rose Bowl berth every year?

Delany has a chance not just to reshape the college athletic landscape, but to take it over. Think of a conference that stretches basically from Kansas City to the Atlantic Ocean. At this point, it's not so much about the other teams that join. It's about forcing Notre Dame to make a move. Any Big Ten configuration that includes the Irish enhances the conference's value immensely.

The Big Ten Network is Delany's creation and, since December 2008, a profitable revenue stream. The Big Ten (Big 16?) would be the dominant conference in recruiting areas from the Midwest to New England. The network would be telling those recruits about it every day of the year.

If all that interest drives more folks to watch the BTN in the New York area, you kind of get where this going. It is has much about market share as it is about football excellence.

When the SEC finalized its ESPN/CBS 15-year, $3 billion deal last summer, a lot of us wrote that the conference was taking over the world. Turns out, it was trying to play catch up with the Big Ten. The domino effect may be just starting. If the Big Ten goes to 16, we're talking two eight-team divisions and a potentially mega-championship game. Indianapolis was on fire for the Final Four. Think about a weekend here surrounding a Michigan-Ohio State championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium.

If the Big Ten goes nuts, the ACC may feel compelled to stay competitive and expand itself with Big East leftovers. That conference is currently in negotiations for a new TV deal creating a reason to get bigger -- and richer. The Boston Globe hinted at such major expansion and realignment in a weekend story about Boston College's basketball coaching search.

The rumblings are out there. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying the components are in place for it to happen.

Only the man at the controls of that killer asteroid knows for sure.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegefo...;btn-print

Boston Globe article

But the face of college basketball and of college athletics could be very much in flux. Among the major rumblings is that the Big Ten could have expansion plans involving as many as five teams, with not only Notre Dame but as many as four ACC teams targeted, included BC.

BC officials have said the answer to any Big Ten inquiry would be, “NO, NO, NO.’’ But the Big Ten could take a bite out of New England and New York by grabbing Rutgers, Syracuse, and Connecticut, as well as Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, which would give the Big Ten network coverage from New England through the Midwest and, if Notre Dame were included, across the nation.

With four teams gone, the Big East would collapse, of course, in football, but one of the offshoots would be for the ACC to come in and take the remaining four Big East teams — South Florida, West Virginia, Louisville, and Cincinnati — to create a 16-team megaconference. The SEC would then have to react and would move to take Texas and Texas A&M. And suddenly you would have three 16-team superconferences.

All of that is only in the chatter stage, but the chatter is out there, and it trickles down to how schools compete and how coaches recruit and how athletic directors choose coaches.


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RE: What's a Hoosier?
INDIANAPOLIS -- Jim Delany is the smartest man in the room. No, really. Six years ago, I named him the most relevant person in college football. Nothing has changed. If anything, the designation for the Big Ten commissioner was too modest.

Delany's clout runs through all of college athletics and is significant. Someday soon, if you believe the rumblings in college sports, the equivalent of a killer asteroid is about to hit. After soaking up the conference expansion vibe for four days at the Final Four, I get the feeling that Delany could be planning one of the most brilliant power plays in the history of college athletics.

He -- officially, his conference -- could force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten. No mating dance as in the past, just a ruthless corporate takeover.

Every casual conversation regarding expansion here seemed to start with the sentence, "The Big Ten is going to do something ..." That has become as much of an assumption as the tournament expanding to 96 teams. The Big Ten said in December it is exploring expansion. The NCAA had a press conference here Thursday to lay out the parameters for a 96-team whoop-de-do. The only question is which will come first.

All of this is still speculation. The Big Ten could do nothing, although few at this point seem to believe it. Already the conference has hired a financial institution to vet potential new members. A search firm has identified 15 possible expansion candidates.

So let's start with the Big Ten expanding to 12 teams, splitting into two divisions and staging a championship game. Except we're aiming too low. Through the entire process, there has existed the possibility that the Big Ten could be that killer asteroid.

Why not go to 12, or 14 teams? Why not blow up the conference landscape and add five schools and go to 16? In that scenario, Notre Dame would be sort of an athletic outlier. Nearby, Purdue and Indiana could be pulling in $25 million a year in an expanded Big Ten for doing little in football. Despite the recent downturn on the field, ND rival Michigan would be getting richer and more powerful.

It almost makes Notre Dame's $15 million-per-year contract with NBC look inadequate.

It could happen if the Big Ten makes an end run and first rips apart the Big East. For years there has been speculation that the Big East was too vulnerable in football with only eight members. It barely hung on after the ACC raid. It is unwieldy in basketball with 16 members. The league is, at best, fourth in revenue produced among BCS leagues.

So call it Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Rutgers to the Big Ten. It doesn't really matter. Replace Rutgers with Missouri, fine. Either way, the Big East wouldn't have enough members to have a viable football conference, per NCAA rules. It would be a diminished basketball league.

The Big 16?
Schembechler Division
Connecticut
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Syracuse
Wisconsin

Grange Division
Illinois
Indiana
Missouri
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Pittsburgh

And Notre Dame wouldn't have a place for its other sports, most of which play in the Big East; this is an all or nothing proposition.

At that point, Irish power brokers would have to think seriously about conference football affiliation. That's what Notre Dame ND Jack Swarbrick was referring to last month in New York when he said if changes were "seismic" enough, his school would have to reconsider its independent status.

Swarbrick basically reiterated those comments last week in Kansas City.

" ... Everything is so unusual right now that you can envision situations where the world changes," Swarbrick told the Kansas City Star. "We hope it doesn't. We don't want it to.

"But we're monitoring that."

The New York-Kansas City statements are as far to the left that any Notre Dame administrator has leaned on the subject of independence. They suggest that Swarbrick knows that he might have to do something radical. Playing neutral site games against the likes of Washington State and Army just isn't getting it. Without conference affiliation or recent national championship hopes, it's basically BCS bowl or bust for ND each year. How about being able to play for a Rose Bowl berth every year?

Delany has a chance not just to reshape the college athletic landscape, but to take it over. Think of a conference that stretches basically from Kansas City to the Atlantic Ocean. At this point, it's not so much about the other teams that join. It's about forcing Notre Dame to make a move. Any Big Ten configuration that includes the Irish enhances the conference's value immensely.

The Big Ten Network is Delany's creation and, since December 2008, a profitable revenue stream. The Big Ten (Big 16?) would be the dominant conference in recruiting areas from the Midwest to New England. The network would be telling those recruits about it every day of the year.

If all that interest drives more folks to watch the BTN in the New York area, you kind of get where this going. It is has much about market share as it is about football excellence.

When the SEC finalized its ESPN/CBS 15-year, $3 billion deal last summer, a lot of us wrote that the conference was taking over the world. Turns out, it was trying to play catch up with the Big Ten. The domino effect may be just starting. If the Big Ten goes to 16, we're talking two eight-team divisions and a potentially mega-championship game. Indianapolis was on fire for the Final Four. Think about a weekend here surrounding a Michigan-Ohio State championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium.

If the Big Ten goes nuts, the ACC may feel compelled to stay competitive and expand itself with Big East leftovers. That conference is currently in negotiations for a new TV deal creating a reason to get bigger -- and richer. The Boston Globe hinted at such major expansion and realignment in a weekend story about Boston College's basketball coaching search.

The rumblings are out there. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying the components are in place for it to happen.

Only the man at the controls of that killer asteroid knows for sure.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegefo...;btn-print

Boston Globe article

But the face of college basketball and of college athletics could be very much in flux. Among the major rumblings is that the Big Ten could have expansion plans involving as many as five teams, with not only Notre Dame but as many as four ACC teams targeted, included BC.

BC officials have said the answer to any Big Ten inquiry would be, “NO, NO, NO.’’ But the Big Ten could take a bite out of New England and New York by grabbing Rutgers, Syracuse, and Connecticut, as well as Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, which would give the Big Ten network coverage from New England through the Midwest and, if Notre Dame were included, across the nation.

With four teams gone, the Big East would collapse, of course, in football, but one of the offshoots would be for the ACC to come in and take the remaining four Big East teams — South Florida, West Virginia, Louisville, and Cincinnati — to create a 16-team megaconference. The SEC would then have to react and would move to take Texas and Texas A&M. And suddenly you would have three 16-team superconferences.

All of that is only in the chatter stage, but the chatter is out there, and it trickles down to how schools compete and how coaches recruit and how athletic directors choose coaches.


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