yuck, would the OVC even want NKU?

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You're reading too much into it. In relation to BUDGET (what NKU's president was discussing), they are more like us and Murray than Kentucky or Duke or Michigan. The president's point is a valid one. WKU, Murray, and Northern Kentucky's athletic budget depends on the students. What did WKU do recently to pay for Diddle? Raise athletic fee. What are they doing to renovate Smith Stadium, raise tuition. The president was comparing NKU's athletic budget situation to Murray and WKU, not institution as a whole.

I see nothing untrue with the statement.

galojay Wrote:In relation to BUDGET (what NKU's president was discussing), they are more like us and Murray than Kentucky or Duke or Michigan. The president's point is a valid one. WKU, Murray, and Northern Kentucky's athletic budget depends on the students.

I know but I forgive me RBM, don't like being lumped in with Murray and OVC schools. Being mentioned in anyway connected with NKU just irks me.

Hate to say it, but in the eyes of the Council on Kentucky Higher Education and the budget, we are. I know we hate the OVC and the schools in it.... but what is being discussed in this article is budgets, not sports teams.

Tru - heh heh I'm the outsider on this board - and reasonable enough to understand why WKU wouldn't want to be lumped with the OVC schools. Go ahead and air your displeasure at the OVC-lumping. I think WKU has tried very hard to separate itself from the rest of the KY schools and the OVC. No worries!!

I think the logical place for NKU would be the OVC since the rest of KY schools are already in it (with the notable exception of one of course). I'm not sure how I would FEEL about them joining the OVC. It would depend on how much $$ NKU put towards their transition and if they did it "right," as in not skimp on facilities, scholarships, etc.

I posted this on my home board - you might find it interesting. Its from the Chronicle of Higher Education, which is the weekly newspaper for university/college professors and administration. I'm not putting this under the other NKU thread because I don't want to spoil the "Sun Belt" debate! ha ha ha
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Shifting From Division II to Division I Can Be Costly Move for Colleges, NCAA Study Finds
By BRAD WOLVERTON

Colleges and universities expecting to increase their athletics revenues by moving from Division II to Division I instead incur shortfalls of about $3-million a year, according to a report scheduled to be released on Saturday at a meeting of Division II chancellors and presidents.

The report, which is based on a study of 20 Division II institutions that switched to Division I competition in one or more sports from 1994 to 2002, found that few colleges perform an adequate analysis of the costs of such a move before they undertake it.

A recent spike in the number of institutions considering stepping up to Division I prompted the National Collegiate Athletic Association to commission the study. Nine colleges and universities are weighing a transfer, and an estimated two dozen are expected to explore the option in the next few years, the NCAA says.

The findings come as the NCAA continues to look for ways to slow the escalating costs of college sports. Earlier this year, the association formed a panel of college presidents to recommend ideas for taming the high cost of athletics (The Chronicle, January 2.

The report demonstrates the significant impact that a move to Division I can have on the health and viability of colleges and universities, said Mike Racy, a vice president at the NCAA who oversees the organization's 281 Division II programs.

"Such a large increase in costs for one department could have huge implications," Mr. Racy said during an interview on Thursday. "It could financially affect not only athletics, but the entire university."

The prestige of becoming a Division I program -- which holds the allure of higher ticket sales, bigger sponsorship deals, and increasing student enrollment -- sometimes blinds institutions to the financial repercussions of the move, said Jonathan M. Orszag, one of the study's authors. Instead, the study found that colleges suffer financially for at least the first five years after they switch to the higher classification.

The report also found that, for every dollar Division II institutions spend on athletics, they get only 20 to 60 cents back in increased revenue. A previous study by Mr. Orszag and others found that Division I colleges usually break even when they put money into their athletics programs (The Chronicle, August 15, 2003).

Instead of pouring more money into moving to a higher classification, some Division II institutions say they have decided to stay put so they can hire additional faculty members, make capital improvements, and provide more financial aid to students who do not participate in sports.

Officials at Grand Valley State University, which recently won an award for fielding the most successful Division II athletics program in the country, say they have never contemplated moving to Division I.

"The vast majority of student-athletes are in Division II and Division III, and they are unambiguously students first," said Mark Murray, the Michigan university's president. "We are proud to be able to drive our resources into the academic side of the institution."

The NCAA's report, "Empirical Effects of Division II Intercollegiate Athletics," will be available next week on its Web site.

I know this is off the topic, but does anyone besides me think the OVC will improve greatly when Peay brings FB on board and when/if More-head ever offers scholly IAA. I think it could be a good IAA league.......somebody smack me for saying that.

:lolup: :tomato:

How are Austin Peay and Morehead going to do anything for them? What football tradition do they have? How are they going to achieve anything more than what the rest of the OVC has lately? I doubt their budgets are any bigger.

I didn't say smack me with a tomato....ouch. I don't think peay will half ****** it. Tradition really means jack doody in IAA. If they are willing to spend the bucks then they'll be a qualitity addition. I've read nothing that indicates More-Head has any ambition, but if they were it would be good for the OVC.

I don't think Peay will half **** it either. They also have name recognition thanks to MBB. Morehead on the other hand - The earth needs to open up and swallow them whole.

racerbymarriage Wrote:I don't think Peay will half **** it either. They also have name recognition thanks to MBB. Morehead on the other hand - The earth needs to open up and swallow them whole.

Say what you will, AP has one of the all time great cheers! :laugh:

TrumanWKU Wrote:Say what you will, AP has one of the all time great cheers! :laugh:

And that equals football success somehow?