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Well guess that now that the MAC has been able to finally get its feet back under it in football due to MARSHALL and the fact that MARSHALL and UCF have accepeted and will enter CUSA no later than 2005 its now time for the MAC to do its usual and begin to do more than badmouth MARSHALL...now we have some idiot from CANT STATE who has decided to push for ineligibility of both MARSHALL and UCF as far as conference titiles are concerned. While it will not have an affect in all likelyhood on UCF I guess that one more TITLE FOR THE HERD would be too much for the MAC member schools to handle.

Interesting that MARSHALL was brought back into the MAC when we were moving from Division 1-AA...and the MAC was suffering financially as well as with its bottom of the non BCS conferences image...MARSHALL quickly began to change the image with an immeadiate bowl berth..true we did not win that first bowl..but we also managed to increase the viewership of the MCB due to our style of play ...oh and how did we get to the MCB..winning the first of 5 conference titles..from that point on until this season we controled the MAC..every school in the MAC was second to MARSHALL with the exception of the one year that Toledo happend to win the conference titile...but we were again and as ususal in a bowl..

Marshall still holds the bowl streak nationally of 5 wins in a row..which will not be broken this season for sure..

The MAC teams were able to not only capitalize on the strength of MARSHALL financially but were able to recruit players that had never before come to the MAC and why..well if they were not playing at MARSHALL they were at one of the other conference schools...the conference or at least part of it Toledo, NIU, Miami of Ohio and WMU were able to build their football programs into ones that this season had a great impact on the national scene, and why because those schools had to do something to compete against MARSHALL....

Many of you at the other MAC schools have a short memory when it comes to the pre-MARSHALL days of the MAC..look at Miaimi of Ohio...going to their first bowl in what 17 years....17years...and where does so much of the negative come from Miami of Ohio...my god you would think they were the powerhouse of the MAC..not so...this season true they have had a great season and I congratulate them and do wish them every success in the Mobile bowl...as we all know Louisville does not have much success in bowls against MAC schools or they at least have not with MARSHALL...

What has been suggested and said by Kent State officials has to be taken to some degree with a grain of salt as that is afterall Kent State...one of the losingest football programs in the country..as well as its Kent State which gives us an idea as to how far in left field comments can come from.....

At anyrate..many of you would do well to count your blessings that the MAC has had MARSHALL in the conference these last years as the image of the MAC has totally changed due to the efforts of not only the football program at MARSHALL but the athletic department as well..instead of being so ready at the mark to make negative comments, you should be thanking all associated with MARSHALL....

Look at it this way...we win the EAST and the MACC next season go to another bowl and leave the conference with a nice chunk of change and you guys are on your own again..unless of course CUSA makes a change and brings us and UCF in for the 2004 season...wonder how many of the nay sayers schools will still want to remain on the MARSHALL schedule...we already know Miami of Ohio and Ohio University want to...me....when we leave I say leave it all behind us..including the OOC games that the two aforementioned are wanting, after the way the MAC has treated MARSHALL and the lack of thanks we are currently receiving ...why help those that are trying to make the last year of affiliation such a nightmare....

Think about it...think about having to rely on the Buffalos, Akrons, EMUs CMU's of the conference and you will see that having MARSHALL in the MAC has been a blessing all along


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The NCAA News -- January 7, 2002


Infractions case: Marshall University
The Division I Committee on Infractions has found lack of institutional control at Marshall University for violations of bylaws involving impermissible employment of academic nonqualifiers and a separate academic fraud incident.

The committee placed the university on four years of probation and reduced grants-in-aid in football and men's basketball, among other penalties.

The committee found that for a number of years, athletics department personnel arranged employment with a representative of the university's athletics interests for student-athletes in the football and men's basketball programs who were nonqualifiers during their initial year of enrollment. In addition, those student-athletes were paid at a rate much higher than rates commensurate with similar employment in the area.

A nonqualifier is an individual who does not meet NCAA academic qualifications as an incoming freshman. Individuals who are nonqualifiers are not allowed to practice or compete with their respective teams during their initial year and may not receive athletically related financial aid. NCAA bylaws also prohibit athletics interests from arranging employment for nonqualifiers during the first year of enrollment.

Specifically, between November 1996 and the spring semester of 2000, at least 21 football nonqualifiers and two nonqualifiers in the men's basketball program were employed by a representative of the university's athletics interests during their first year of enrollment. The individuals performed janitorial duties at a business owned by the representative and were paid $25 per hour.

Athletics officials, particularly in the football program, were aware of the employment, and concurred that the assistance to nonqualifiers was an established program before the head football coach joined the university in 1996. One football staff member was assigned to coordinate the employment at the athletics representative's business; however, there was inadequate documentation of hours worked, wages paid or other assurance that the program met NCAA bylaws.

The academic fraud incident occurred during the spring of 1999 when an assistant professor at the university, who also served as a volunteer flexibility coach in the athletics program, provided advance copies of a final examination to football student-athletes. The committee concluded that the facts of the case demonstrated unethical conduct, academic fraud and provision of extra benefits.

During the university's hearing before the Committee on Infractions in September 2001, the committee members notified institutional representatives they were considering a finding of lack of institutional control and invited the university to respond at a later hearing or through written submission. The university responded briefly at the hearing and then later provided a response in greater detail in a letter from the university president. The committee concluded after considering all of the evidence that a finding of lack of institutional control was appropriate.

In its public report, the committee outlined detailed rationale for its finding of lack of institutional control pertaining to the employment of student-athletes. Evidence showed that before 1998, there was no system in place to monitor student-athlete employment. Beginning in 1998, a system was put into place, but it did not work properly. In addition, lack of communication between coaches and the compliance office contributed to the compliance problem.

Members of the committee said they were concerned about the university's lack of initiative to review policies about nonqualifier employment after specific concerns were raised. This eventually led to three self-reports by the university. Of those, the second and third reports amended limited and inaccurate information provided in the first report.

The committee said it was troubled by the overall effort taken by the university to understand and comply with NCAA bylaws, as well as to undertake adequate inquiry when possible problems had been identified. "This record of institutional response is hardly evidence of a university in charge and acting affirmatively to uncover and eliminate violations and compares quite unfavorably with the record of numerous other institutions that have appeared before the committee, institutions that vigorously and aggressively pursued an investigation once they learned of problems in their programs," the report said.

The Committee on Infractions considered self-imposed actions and penalties taken by the university. Among actions taken in February 2000, following discovery of impermissible employment arrangements, the university:

* Immediately released all current nonqualifiers from their current jobs in the event it was established that the athletics department facilitated their employment.

* Ended all employment assistance and offers of employment assistance to all nonqualifiers.

* Reduced the number of nonqualifiers the football and men's basketball programs are allowed to recruit. In football, the number of nonqualifiers permitted in 2001 was reduced to eight and then to six in 2002. In men's basketball, the number of nonqualifiers was reduced to one beginning in 2000. (Note: After July 2001, it was determined immediately to suspend for a two-year period the recruitment of all nonqualifiers in the football and men's basketball programs after their respective 2001 seasons).

* Scheduled appropriate rules education sessions.

* Declared all affected student-athletes ineligible and sought immediate restoration through the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement process.

* Required the student-athlete employment coordinator to attend an NCAA compliance seminar.

* Created the position of assistant compliance director.

In July 2001, after the discovery of extra benefits violations, the university:

* Discontinued recruitment of nonqualifiers in all sports for a period of two years beginning with the 2002-03 academic year.

* Placed a two-year moratorium on employment for all student-athletes at the athletics representative's business.

* Reduced grants-in-aid in football by two in 2002-03 and one in 2003-04. The university also proposed to reduce by one the 12 allowable official recruiting visits in men's basketball for 2002-03 and 2003-04, but the committee considered this penalty meaningless because the university averaged only eight visits in men's basketball during the past four years.

* Disassociated the athletics representative for two years beginning with the 2001-02.

* Fined the athletics representative an amount equal to all legal costs and internal costs incurred by the university because of involvement in NCAA legislation.

* Imposed a two-year probationary period.

* Required several staff members to attend rules compliance seminars in 2002 and 2003.

* Required the assistant athletics director for compliance to conduct a presentation regarding NCAA rules governing student-athlete employment to conference compliance coordinators and to give a presentation about NCAA rules to a number of university groups.

* Produced and distributed an educational brochure to all representatives of the university's athletics interests.

* Realigned compliance responsibilities on a sport-specific basis between the compliance director and the assistant compliance director.

* Implemented a zero-tolerance policy for NCAA rules violations.

* Established an interim compliance committee to review the decisions of the compliance office.

* Transferred the compliance director from athletics to another department at the university.

* Issued letters of reprimand from the university president to the senior vice-president for operations who supervises the department of athletics, the director of athletics, the faculty athletics representative, the assistant director of athletics, the head football coach and the head men's basketball coach.

In addition, the Mid-American Conference has undertaken creation of preventive model protocols on nonqualifiers and transfer student-athletes.

Because of the serious nature of the case, the Committee on Infractions imposed all additional penalties that directly impact the athletics programs and activities that produced the infractions. The following additional penalties were imposed:

* Public reprimand and censure.

* Four years of probation beginning December 21, 2001.

* The university will reduce the number of initial counters available in football by five in each of the 2002-03, 2003-04 and 2004-05 academic years. The university is limited to 20 initial football counters in those years. Marshall has averaged 23 initial football counters during the past four years.

* The university will reduce the total number of football counters to 80 during the 2002-03, 2003-04 and 2004-05 academic years. The university self-imposed a limit of 83 counters in 2002-03 and 84 in 2003-04 and has averaged 84 football counters in the past four years. The reduction was based on information submitted by the university that documented Marshall had over-awarded football grants by at least 15 over the 1997-98 through 1999-00 academic years. The overage resulted from inclusion of the wages paid to nonqualifiers who worked for the athletics representative in the calculation of athletically related financial aid.

* The university will reduce the number of total counters in men's basketball by one during the 2002-03 and 2003-04 academic years. That limits the institution to 12 counters in each of those two years. It has averaged 13 counters in men's basketball during the past four years. The reduction was based on information submitted by the university that documented Marshall had over-awarded men's basketball grants by at least a total of two during 1998-99 and 1999-00. The overage resulted from inclusion of the wages paid to nonqualifiers who worked for the athletics representative in the calculation of athletically related financial aid.

* The former volunteer flexibility coach will be informed in writing by the NCAA that because of his involvement in certain violations of NCAA legislation, if he seeks employment or affiliation in an athletically related position at an NCAA member institution during the period of time beginning December 21, 2001, and ending December 20, 2003, he and the involved institution will be requested to appear before the Division I Committee on Infractions to consider whether the member institution should be subject to the show-cause procedures that could limit the coach's athletically related duties at the new institution for a designated period.

* The university will show-cause why it should not be penalized further if it fails to disassociate the athletics representative from its athletics program for a period of five years from December 21, 2001, based on his failure to provide complete and accurate records and his refusal to fully cooperate with the investigation. The disassociation will include refraining from accepting any assistance from him, refusing his financial assistance or contributions, ensuring that he receives no athletics benefits or privileges and implement any other actions necessary to eliminate his involvement in the university's athletics program.

* During the probationary period, the university will continue to develop and implement a comprehensive education program on NCAA legislation and submit periodic reports to the NCAA. At the end of the probationary period, the university's president will provide a letter to the committee affirming that the university's current athletics policies and practices conform to all requirements of NCAA regulations.

As required by NCAA legislation for any institution involved in a major infractions case, Marshall is subject to the NCAA's repeat-violator provisions for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case (December 21, 2001).

The members of the Division I Committee on Infractions who heard this case are: Thomas E. Yeager, committee chair and commissioner, Colonial Athletic Association; Paul T. Dee, director of athletics, University of Miami (Florida); Fred Lacey, attorney and retired judge, LeBoeuf, Lamb, Green and MacRae, Newark, New Jersey; Gene Marsh, professor of law, University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa; Andrea Myers, athletics director at Indiana State University; James Park Jr., attorney and retired judge, Frost Brown Todd, Lexington, Kentucky; and Josephine Potuto, professor of law, University of Nebraska, Lincoln.

A copy of the complete report from the Division I Committee on Infractions is available on NCAA Online at http://www.ncaa.org.
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ODDBALL ....any reply from you based on your normal and ususal idiotic logic..is not one that many would or will pay attention to..

If you are going to reply ...try to use what little brain matter you have and come up with something a little more origianal than what you customarily put on message boards....I know that is going to be difficult as it will involve trying to do something that you are not known for ....THINKING


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Are you denying that Marshall has cheated repeatedly to gain a competitive advantage?
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Oddball Wrote:Are you denying that Marshall has cheated repeatedly to gain a competitive advantage?
When we are all old men , are we still gonna have to listen to this ?
They done some wrong things , got caught and are being punished ..
let it go ..
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SAHerdFan Wrote:When we are all old men , are we still gonna have to listen to this ?
I thought the exact same thing...

...while reading MARSHALL77's post. :rolleyes:
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As far as the Kent State's AD comment...

Here's an analogy:

Man comes home from work, tells his wife that he's leaving her for a secretary at the office he's been lusting after for 5 years. He even brags about it, and tells his wife that the only reason she's "looked good" lately is because she's been seen with him (even though the secretary isn't even as good looking... but she's got a bigger bank account and a southern accent). They file for divorce, effective 2005.

The husband then gets angry when his wife tells him that he doesn't really deserve a birthday gift from her this year. :D
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The secretary may not be exactly good looking, but considering the ole ball and chain he is leaving behind, being in her arms will be like heaven!
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Motown, that was priceless, then some idiot comes along and blindly thinks the perceived ball and chain that he is carrying around is somehow worst than the new bride that he has selected. He is so enamored that he did not notice that the new bride has VD. I prefer the ball and chain.
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MARSHALL77 Wrote:Well guess that now that the MAC has been able to finally get its feet back under it in football due to MARSHALL and the fact that MARSHALL and UCF have accepeted and will enter CUSA no later than 2005 its now time for the MAC to do its usual and begin to do more than badmouth MARSHALL...now we have some idiot from CANT STATE who has decided to push for ineligibility of both MARSHALL and UCF as far as conference titiles are concerned. While it will not have an affect in all likelyhood on UCF I guess that one more TITLE FOR THE HERD would be too much for the MAC member schools to handle.

Interesting that MARSHALL was brought back into the MAC when we were moving from Division 1-AA...and the MAC was suffering financially as well as with its bottom of the non BCS conferences image...MARSHALL quickly began to change the image with an immeadiate bowl berth..true we did not win that first bowl..but we also managed to increase the viewership of the MCB due to our style of play ...oh and how did we get to the MCB..winning the first of 5 conference titles..from that point on until this season we controled the MAC..every school in the MAC was second to MARSHALL with the exception of the one year that Toledo happend to win the conference titile...but we were again and as ususal in a bowl..

Marshall still holds the bowl streak nationally of 5 wins in a row..which will not be broken this season for sure..

The MAC teams were able to not only capitalize on the strength of MARSHALL financially but were able to recruit players that had never before come to the MAC and why..well if they were not playing at MARSHALL they were at one of the other conference schools...the conference or at least part of it Toledo, NIU, Miami of Ohio and WMU were able to build their football programs into ones that this season had a great impact on the national scene, and why because those schools had to do something to compete against MARSHALL....

Many of you at the other MAC schools have a short memory when it comes to the pre-MARSHALL days of the MAC..look at Miaimi of Ohio...going to their first bowl in what 17 years....17years...and where does so much of the negative come from Miami of Ohio...my god you would think they were the powerhouse of the MAC..not so...this season true they have had a great season and I congratulate them and do wish them every success in the Mobile bowl...as we all know Louisville does not have much success in bowls against MAC schools or they at least have not with MARSHALL...

What has been suggested and said by Kent State officials has to be taken to some degree with a grain of salt as that is afterall Kent State...one of the losingest football programs in the country..as well as its Kent State which gives us an idea as to how far in left field comments can come from.....

At anyrate..many of you would do well to count your blessings that the MAC has had MARSHALL in the conference these last years as the image of the MAC has totally changed due to the efforts of not only the football program at MARSHALL but the athletic department as well..instead of being so ready at the mark to make negative comments, you should be thanking all associated with MARSHALL....

Look at it this way...we win the EAST and the MACC next season go to another bowl and leave the conference with a nice chunk of change and you guys are on your own again..unless of course CUSA makes a change and brings us and UCF in for the 2004 season...wonder how many of the nay sayers schools will still want to remain on the MARSHALL schedule...we already know Miami of Ohio and Ohio University want to...me....when we leave I say leave it all behind us..including the OOC games that the two aforementioned are wanting, after the way the MAC has treated MARSHALL and the lack of thanks we are currently receiving ...why help those that are trying to make the last year of affiliation such a nightmare....

Think about it...think about having to rely on the Buffalos, Akrons, EMUs CMU's of the conference and you will see that having MARSHALL in the MAC has been a blessing all along


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Whatever..... :rolleyes: :snore: :snore: :snore:

You will not win the MAC next year regardless.

You actually want us to thank you? You ought to be thanking us for letting you back into the MAC after getting the boot in the late 60's for over 150 violations.

And I am looking forward to BG thumping the Herd in BG next yr.
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MARSHALL77 Wrote:ODDBALL ....any reply from you based on your normal and ususal idiotic logic..is not one that many would or will pay attention to..

If you are going to reply ...try to use what little brain matter you have and come up with something a little more origianal than what you customarily put on message boards....I know that is going to be difficult as it will involve trying to do something that you are not known for ....THINKING


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Truth hurts....I don't agree with Oddball some of the time but what the hell is wrong with his post? I mean come on...you act like Marshall has done nothing wrong...ever.

Take your "titles" and get lost...you'll fit in perfectly in Convict USA.
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No doubt the MAC has Marshall to think for the regrowth.....until you can put more than 10 fans in our stadium shut up.



OOH yeah :wave: :wave: :wave:

PS....why does everyone have to wear Ohio State shirts, are all the schools in Ohio a part of Ohio State?
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MUHERD Wrote:No doubt the MAC has Marshall to think for the regrowth.....until you can put more than 10 fans in our stadium shut up.



OOH yeah  :wave:  :wave:  :wave:

PS....why does everyone have to wear Ohio State shirts, are all the schools in Ohio a part of Ohio State?
Oh I was there in Dumpington in '99 and 2001 and there were a good number of BG fans there...especially 2001 cuz we were all stuck up in the corner of your stadium.

I don't wear OSU shirts...I didn't attend OSU and don't give a rat's ****** about the Buckeyes.
And until MUg can compete in football WITHOUT breaking the rules, you shut the hell up. :chair:
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Motown Bronco Wrote:The husband then gets angry when his wife tells him that he doesn't really deserve a birthday gift from her this year.  :D
Since when does winning the MAC championship and EARNING a bowl birth rank as a "gift"?

Just thought the analogy was inaccurate.
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Falconfreak90 Wrote:Take your "titles" and get lost...you'll fit in perfectly in Convict USA.
We'll take'm and DShoe with us

I can't believe he was trying to get Toledo a game on ESPN and their AD axed it.......What a Moron

Im sure S. Miss, Memphis and if TCU stays will take the spots DShoe has been getting the MAC

Sure he works hard for Marshall, but he has tryed to get other schools spots
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save your self the trouble orf arguing with the idiots on this board. The MAC sucks, bye bye :D
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SAHerdFan Wrote:
Oddball Wrote:Are you denying that Marshall has cheated repeatedly to gain a competitive advantage?
When we are all old men , are we still gonna have to listen to this ?
They done some wrong things , got caught and are being punished ..
let it go ..
Well, when you "done wrong" and got caught, you didn't "done nothin'" about it that you weren't forced to do. So, yeah, you are going to keep hearing about it. In fact, next time you get caught...and with the institutionalized sense of entitlement, denial, and collective persecution complex down there, a next time is inevitible...you will hear about it from your new cellmates, as well.
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Oddball Wrote:Are you denying that Marshall has cheated repeatedly to gain a competitive advantage?
I could see if there were actually a competitive advantage gained by the Marshall infractions. HOWEVER most of the FB players involved were not on the 2 Deep based on those who served suspensions. Many never qualified probably hurting Marshall more than helping as scholarships had to be held aside if they did qualify.
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MARSHALL77 Wrote:Well guess that now that the MAC has been able to finally get its feet back under it in football due to MARSHALL and the fact that MARSHALL and UCF have accepeted and will enter CUSA no later than 2005 its now time for the MAC to do its usual and begin to do more than badmouth MARSHALL...now we have some idiot from CANT STATE who has decided to push for ineligibility of both MARSHALL and UCF as far as conference titiles are concerned. While it will not have an affect in all likelyhood on UCF I guess that one more TITLE FOR THE HERD would be too much for the MAC member schools to handle.

Interesting that MARSHALL was brought back into the MAC when we were moving from Division 1-AA...and the MAC was suffering financially as well as with its bottom of the non BCS conferences image...MARSHALL quickly began to change the image with an immeadiate bowl berth..true we did not win that first bowl..but we also managed to increase the viewership of the MCB due to our style of play ...oh and how did we get to the MCB..winning the first of 5 conference titles..from that point on until this season we controled the MAC..every school in the MAC was second to MARSHALL with the exception of the one year that Toledo happend to win the conference titile...but we were again and as ususal in a bowl..

Marshall still holds the bowl streak nationally of 5 wins in a row..which will not be broken this season for sure..

The MAC teams were able to not only capitalize on the strength of MARSHALL financially but were able to recruit players that had never before come to the MAC and why..well if they were not playing at MARSHALL they were at one of the other conference schools...the conference or at least part of it Toledo, NIU, Miami of Ohio and WMU were able to build their football programs into ones that this season had a great impact on the national scene, and why because those schools had to do something to compete against MARSHALL....

Many of you at the other MAC schools have a short memory when it comes to the pre-MARSHALL days of the MAC..look at Miaimi of Ohio...going to their first bowl in what 17 years....17years...and where does so much of the negative come from Miami of Ohio...my god you would think they were the powerhouse of the MAC..not so...this season true they have had a great season and I congratulate them and do wish them every success in the Mobile bowl...as we all know Louisville does not have much success in bowls against MAC schools or they at least have not with MARSHALL...

What has been suggested and said by Kent State officials has to be taken to some degree with a grain of salt as that is afterall Kent State...one of the losingest football programs in the country..as well as its Kent State which gives us an idea as to how far in left field comments can come from.....

At anyrate..many of you would do well to count your blessings that the MAC has had MARSHALL in the conference these last years as the image of the MAC has totally changed due to the efforts of not only the football program at MARSHALL but the athletic department as well..instead of being so ready at the mark to make negative comments, you should be thanking all associated with MARSHALL....

Look at it this way...we win the EAST and the MACC next season go to another bowl and leave the conference with a nice chunk of change and you guys are on your own again..unless of course CUSA makes a change and brings us and UCF in for the 2004 season...wonder how many of the nay sayers schools will still want to remain on the MARSHALL schedule...we already know Miami of Ohio and Ohio University want to...me....when we leave I say leave it all behind us..including the OOC games that the two aforementioned are wanting, after the way the MAC has treated MARSHALL and the lack of thanks we are currently receiving ...why help those that are trying to make the last year of affiliation such a nightmare....

Think about it...think about having to rely on the Buffalos, Akrons, EMUs CMU's of the conference and you will see that having MARSHALL in the MAC has been a blessing all along


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Quote: No doubt the MAC has Marshall to think for the regrowth.....until you can put more than 10 fans in our stadium shut up.



More of the same old BLAH BLAH BLAH. :chair:
12-17-2003 07:44 AM
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Oddball Wrote:Are you denying that Marshall has cheated repeatedly to gain a competitive advantage?
When we are all old men , are we still gonna have to listen to this ?
They done some wrong things , got caught and are being punished ..
let it go ..
Didn't Marshall77 start this thread? Seems like you should be talking to your own.
12-17-2003 08:04 AM
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