So they can suck the BCS a little harder.

PATHETIC.

Coaches in that situation should stand up for their school. Not sit back and bob their head up and down on the BCS.

Im sorry but along with Kent State Coach Pees brain this takes the cake.

Quote:Cinderella isn't welcome inside football kingdom

Published March 28, 2004

Mike Bianchi

Poor guy.

Looks like the disease got him good.

On the outside, Terry Hoeppner seems perfectly normal -- right thinking and rational. He's the football coach at Miami of Ohio, a mid-major team that finished with a 13-1 record last year, boasted perhaps the best quarterback in the country (Ben Roethlisberger) and ended the season with the longest winning streak in major-college football.

Wouldn't it be wonderful, I asked Hoeppner, if football were like basketball? Don't you wish you would have had a chance to be like Xavier or St. Joe's; to compete for a national title; to show the world you aren't just some podunk little school from Palookaville, USA?

This is when Hoeppner becomes irrational. This is when I know he has become infected by the cankerous condition known by most medical professionals as "the BCS Brain Blight."

"The Bowl Championship Series has been good for college football," Hoeppner insisted. "Our sport is different than basketball, and that's how I like it."

There you have it -- the deep-seated powers of this poisonous plague. The BCS Brain Blight is so strong and powerful that even the people who can benefit from its destruction want to keep it alive. These otherwise strong, virile football men walk around with glazed eyes and brainwashed minds like the Stepford Wives.

Hoeppner's RedHawks lost just one game last year -- a season-opening 21-3 defeat to an Iowa team that crushed Florida in the Outback Bowl. They finished No. 10 in the polls, and do you know what their prize was? A trip to Mobile, Ala., for the GMAC Bowl. Question: Was this a reward or a sentence?

"I think we could have played with anybody in the country," Hoeppner said. "But we had a great season, and we don't think about what might have been. If we want to be included in the BCS, we need to keep building. We need to have a great program, not just one great team."

How? Why?

How do you build a great program when you get almost no access to the BCS billions? How do you recruit the best athletes when all you're offering them is a bowl trip to Mobile?

In basketball, how do you think Gonzaga built its program to a point where it could be a No. 2 seed? I'll tell you how: Because the Zags have gained admission into the postseason tournament on a consistent basis, improved facilities, increased budget and therefore have been able to recruit better athletes.

And why do you have to build a great program? Why can't you just have a great team? One program shouldn't have an advantage just because it was fortunate enough to get into a major conference 75 years ago. St. Joe's doesn't have a great program, but for this one incredible season it has put together a magical collection of talent that can play with anybody.

In football, Miami of Ohio had that sort of team last year. And four years ago, Marshall went undefeated and had seven players go on to make NFL rosters. Marshall defeated Clemson that year by the same number of points as national champion Florida State did.

In basketball, one-fourth of the teams in the Sweet 16 were from non-BCS leagues, and all the Stepford analysts like Billy Packer keep acting as if these schools are pulling off major upsets. That's the BCS Brain Blight talking again. Xavier is not in the Elite 8 because of upsets, but because of access.

Meanwhile, there's no room for Cinderella in college football.

She's back in Oxford, Ohio -- scouring dishes, mopping floors, scrubbing madam's chamber.

"I'm a huge proponent of the BCS," Hoeppner says.

Poor guy.

Does this not piss some of you guys off?? If Coach Pruett EVER kissed ****** on the BCS like some of these fools I would have some serious problems with him. Any Coach that panders to the BCS deserves ZERO respect.

I dont even want to hear about oh you have to respect what we play in. BS.

I know and if you cared about your school you would to.

Other than the copyrighted material you stole, nothing in your post makes the least ******* bit of sense. Why don't you try again, and then perhaps a Miamian will respond to you?

DevilGrad Wrote:Other than the copyrighted material you stole, nothing in your post makes the least ******* bit of sense. Why don't you try again, and then perhaps a Miamian will respond to you?

Why take our Lords name in vain? :mad:

Actually, I think that Hoeppner seems to be very intelligent with a great deal of foresight. If you think about it, he coaches within a conference and for a team that is known as the cradle of coaches. If his success continues, in a few years he will probably be coaching for one of these BCS teams and the first question out of a reporter's mouth will be "what do you have to say about the statement you made in the past regarding blah blah blah?" No MAC team will be able to pay him what a BCS team will and he knows this. $$$$ Can you blame him?

I think Hoeppner needs to grow a sac and stand up for his school and college football. "The BCS has been good for college football"? How much was he paid to say this? Or is he really this blind? Here he has a chance to make a statement, as he was the coach of a 13-1 team, and what does he do? He praises the very system that held his team out of a BCS bowl and screws mid majors over. Un ****ing believebale.

It could be simpler.

The BCS's annual payment to the MAC could have strings attached, as in: No bad-mouthing us.

It's a guess.

Schadenfreude Wrote:It could be simpler.

The BCS's annual payment to the MAC could have strings attached, as in: No bad-mouthing us.

It's a guess.

Wow, that is some far fetched thinking. The BCS will never think of, or include a mid major conference in any of their money. I expected you to not be nearly so naive and have faith in such a corrupt, greedy sysytem.

DevilGrad Wrote:Other than the copyrighted material you stole, nothing in your post makes the least ******* bit of sense.  Why don't you try again, and then perhaps a Miamian will respond to you?

no copyright issue here, he's not passing the article off as his own work and he's not trying to make any money off of it.

The Knight Time Wrote:

Schadenfreude Wrote:It could be simpler.

The BCS's annual payment to the MAC could have strings attached, as in: No bad-mouthing us.

It's a guess.

Wow, that is some far fetched thinking. The BCS will never think of, or include a mid major conference in any of their money. I expected you to not be nearly so naive and have faith in such a corrupt, greedy sysytem.

<a href='http://www.bcsfootball.org/revenue.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.bcsfootball.org/revenue.shtml</a>

I will accept your apology graciously. :wave:

GreenBison Wrote:no copyright issue here, he's not passing the article off as his own work and he's not trying to make any money off of it.

It would have been helpful had he cited the publication. Was that the Cincinnati Post?

Typical "MAC-Speak".

It was ripped off from the Orlando Sentinel, and could have been easily linked to using a hyperlink, with a small portion excerpted here for fair use.

Incidentally, copyright doesn't just mean passing off something as your own. That's plagarism. Copyright also means having a say in how and where your works are reprinted--literally having the right to say how it is copied. The exception are excerpts reproduced under fair use.

As for the meat of what Hep said and how the columnist reacted to it...

...well, like DG, I am confused as to ATO's initial rant had anything to do with anything...besides taking a swipe at his favorite anti-green target just out of habit. What exactly did Pees say? And how does it relate to this? And how do we know that what Hep said was represented in context? And does Hep really say anything besides "we have to take care of what we can control"?

I know that a herd fan will find it amazing that the chip is not permanently affixed to your shoulder, and that you might be able to get something done if you're not worried about keeping it perfectly balanced there....but yes, that is what I am suggesting.

And if you can't tell the difference between diplomacy and overtly telling someone off...well...that doesn't surprise me.

Oh, and while we're at it, and we're not worried about copyright infringement, I would like to invite all the Herd fans to find me a published article anywhere where St. Bobby of Charleston-Huntington-Nitro has overtly told off the BCS. Because certainly he, as a symbol of all that is good and right in the football world, has spoken out against the evil that is the BCS.

mxman 870 Wrote:

DevilGrad Wrote:Other than the copyrighted material you stole, nothing in your post makes the least ******* bit of sense.&nbsp; Why don't you try again, and then perhaps a Miamian will respond to you?

Why take our Lords name in vain? :mad:

Because he's ignorant!

Last time a MAC coach "sucked up" this bad was when Urban Meyer was positioning himself for his next job.

This is indeed a rare occassion because I find myself in complete agreement with ATO .... see no reason to call this BCS pig a beauty queen. The BCS is a bad deal, and Miami of Ohio has been screwed by the system as bad, if not worse, than any school since its inception. Could understand "no comment", but to say it's been good for college football when it's habitually pissed on the institution that's paying him his salary is beyond comprehension.

Rockets7 Wrote:Actually, I think that Hoeppner seems to be very intelligent with a great deal of foresight.

I think he seems to be a criminal lunatic shopping for a job at Indiana.

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:

mxman 870 Wrote:

DevilGrad Wrote:Other than the copyrighted material you stole, nothing in your post makes the least ******* bit of sense.  Why don't you try again, and then perhaps a Miamian will respond to you?

Why take our Lords name in vain? :mad:

Because he's ignorant!

DevilGrad or the Lord?

RedSteve Wrote:Oh, and while we're at it, and we're not worried about copyright infringement, I would like to invite all the Herd fans to find me a published article anywhere where St. Bobby of Charleston-Huntington-Nitro has overtly told off the BCS. Because certainly he, as a symbol of all that is good and right in the football world, has spoken out against the evil that is the BCS.

He has said he's in favor of a playoff.

If the comments are out of context...then this discussion is nothing more than flame-bait.

If the article as presented is accurate...then I agree w/ MU ATO. I'm tired of seeing MAC coaches kiss up to the BCS. Especially as they are getting drilled more and more...pre-season games...bowl bids...now it's becoming nearly impossible to get teams on a schedule (certainly for home MAC games). Any MAC coach who even hints that he supports the BCS, and that it's, "good for college football" needs a swift kick in the ******...as a start.

Hoeppner has had one good season. Going into last year I thought he kept Miami (OH) underachieving. One could argue that even last year's team underachieved. Nevertheless, one very good year does not a superstar make. Bruce Snyder had one good year at ASU...and I insisted he was an average coach leading ASU to mediocrity.

Frankly, the jury is still out on Hoeppner. We'll see if he helps Miami (OH) continue a winning tradition, or if he is the flash in the pan that I suspect he is.

As for Pees, he made similar comments a while back, that started a similar heated thread.

Quote:The Bowl Championship Series has been good for college footba

The quote has a very definite past tense in the most critical part of his statement. As I stated on MHT when the same topic came up, he makes no indication that this is the way it should be in the future.

Further, he doesn't say HOW it has been good. Good because it lets half the schools take all the money? Or good because it gets people thinking about how to crown a national champion?

Finally, if you look at Hep's comments as a whole, he is talking about having HIS
team take care of business, and not worry about things that are outside of their control. At this point, what does his program have to gain by bitching and moaning about the unfairness of the system? Are you any of you seriously proposing that all Hep has to do is moan to the press about how his program is getting ripped off, and all of a sudden, a light will go on in BCS land as all the ADs at those schools will say "golly, our system may not be fair after all. We should fix it!"

Again, I look for clickable links and hard and fast statements from St. Bobby that show that he has done so...and that it has done any good for his cause.

Frankly, I think this whole debate is an exercise in interpreting the Delphic oracle.