<a href='http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Spring_Preview/Heisman_watch.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Sp...isman_watch.htm</a>

15 QB's mentioned, none of which is Charlie Frye. Not too surprising he is overlooked but it's still great for the Zips program to have someone they can legitimately promote to build interest from fans and prospective recruits.

The problem for Frye is he is probally the fourth or fifth best qb in Ohio.

Name somebody better as a QB and if you even mention UT's I'll just laugh at you.

He was the 2nd best QB in Ohio last year next to Roethlisberger, who was obviously a tremendous player.

SwampFox Wrote:Name somebody better as a QB and if you even mention UT's I'll just laugh at you.

He was the 2nd best QB in Ohio last year next to Roethlisberger, who was obviously a tremendous player.

SI thinks UT's Bruce Gradkowski is the best QB in Ohio and a "long shot" in the Heisman race. :D

<a href='http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/luke_winn/spring.heismanwatch/index.html' target='_blank'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writ...atch/index.html</a>

The same SI that thought Akron should be ranked #90-something in the nation a few years back but in actual results ended up as MAC-East Co-Champs w/ Marshall? (and should have beaten them)

SI is not a reliable source for me, sorry

Just gotta plagiarize from the zipsnation.org board on this subject. Credits to zipsrifle:

Well said. No doubt Gradkowski is talented. I agree that 5 will have to make himself noticed. Personally, I would rather be a bit of the underdog in these circumstances. Hopefully we can settle this on in the MAC Championship Game. Here is my take on what really happened:

Dooloo..Dooloo..Dooloo

SI Editor: Luke, good article, but remeber, the MAC has had some outstanding QB's in the last few years. You should probably have one of those guys in there somewhere.

Luke: Yea, good point, let me work on this one.

Back at his desk---

Luke Thinks: MAC Schools, Marshall, BG, Miami, Toledo ......yup that's about it. How can I make this quick....the Bachelor is on tonight and I need to get home....Completion Percentage....that'll do it!

Lets see here....

1) Gradkowski - Toledo
2) Hill - Marshall
3) Roethlisberger - Miami

Alright, Roethlisberger is gone so that leaves Hill and Gradkowski....I'll flip a coin.....and Gradkowski it is.


The next day --

Luke - Here you go boss.

SI Editor - Nice work Luke, who the hell is Gradkowski?!?

Luke - I don't know but he plays for Toledo.

SI Editor - Yup, Toledo is in the MAC with BG, Miami and Marshall. How good is this guy?

SI Editor Thinks - Boy, the MAC is a small confrence.

Luke - He's awesome... a Junior just like Roethlisberger.

SI Editor - Has anyone here been to Indiana to see him play?

Luke - No

SI Editor - Good work! You know, I might let you go to Florida the next time Miami and Toledo play so that you can see a MAC battle first hand!

Luke - Thanks boss! You know, there are 2 MAC teams in Florida.

SI Editor - Yea, I guess you're right.

SI Editor Thinks - Who is the second team?

Fade to black.

Again, none of these guys have probably ever been to a MAC game and probably have only watched 10 minutes of the ones on ESPN. Allright Zips.....the disrespect continues...lets use this as motivation.

Too bad that our Toledo friends are in the same camp as the media. I highly doubt that they have seen Frye play a game and have read next to nothing on his performances. They weren't there when Frye was lighting up Wisconsin or when he was playing through injury because he was on his back every other play. Akron gave up 35 sacks last year, Toledo gave up 19. If Gradkowski had to scramble for his life every play, I think his numbers wouldn't have been as good.

I haven't seen Gradkowski play. His numbers show that he is an exceptional QB. I'm not suprised he's been noticed. Toledo is a preseason top 25. IMHO, the media won't bother to look much further with a MAC team.

If the Zips don't win this year, it doesn't matter how good Charlie is, he won't get noticed. IF JD and the boys can get the job done, and the Zips get some key wins, then don't be suprised if you see "Fryesman" in the headlines at some point.

SwampFox Wrote:Name somebody better as a QB and if you even mention UT's I'll just laugh at you.

He was the 2nd best QB in Ohio last year next to Roethlisberger, who was obviously a tremendous player.

Im not an OSU fan, but he is definately not better than Zwick or Smith, Cribbs(if he plays), Gradkowski(the numbers dont lie), and i predict Jacobs at BG will be better than him at the end of the year. And yes i have seen all of them play at some point.

your right.lol. he is not as good as two qb's who sat on the bench last year for osu.
he was only projected to go between the third and fifth round of the draft. zwick or smith would have probably went what 1 or 2. he is only the total offense leader coming in for this year in the ncaa. remeber the numbers don't lie. as for numbers his qb rating is higher than your qb.remeber the numbers don't lie.

Im sure tressel is so dissappointed he has to choose between Zwick and Smith, when he could snatch up Frye :rolleyes:

I bet Barry Alvarez would take him. If I remember correctly he wanted to talk to him after the Wisconsin game last year cause fry LIT THEM UP.


Oh wait, what am I talking about! Rocket is right, Alvarez wouldn't want him now....especially since he's got 10 more games of experience since then. Even though rocket isn't an OSU fan, I can see his point. I mean, Zwick had 8 complete passes last year, I'll take that over Frye's 273 anyday! I would also agree that Cribbs is better, I'll take his 49% completion percentage over Frye's 65%. Hell, I bet that during half-time, Cribbs will even help out the KSU cheerleaders distribute Pot to the fans with those giant slingshots!

Man, what is Akron to do! Good thing that the Toledo fans have pointed out how Crappy our QB is. The Akron Beacon Journal's extensive coverage of the Zips has us all brain washed! Well, I guess we're stuck with Frye. We'll just have to manage.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Toledo fans have not even seen Frye play and the same goes with most of the college sports world. I'm sure Barry Alvarez felt the same way before the UA/Wisconsin game, but little did he know Frye would light up his secondary. Its alright though. Us zip fans are used to putting up with this year after year. Do the deal JD!

At Virginia two years ago several people around me were amazed at the guy. And that was his sophomore year.

If anybody in the country can develop a couple of receivers for Charlie real quick-like it'd be JD Brookhart. In six years at Pitt he coached two Belitnikoff winners.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:The problem for Frye is he is probally the fourth or fifth best qb in Ohio.

Yes, Your exactly right and too the point. Charlie Frye is like the 4th best QB in Ohio in my Opinion. and he will be a longshot to win the Heisman Trophy this year.

SwampFox Wrote:The same SI that thought Akron should be ranked #90-something in the nation a few years back but in actual results ended up as MAC-East Co-Champs w/ Marshall? (and should have beaten them)

SI is not a reliable source for me, sorry

How about ESPN? Gradkowski is listed on their Heisman candidate list too:

<a href='http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1795668' target='_blank'>http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1795668</a>

Frye will not get a sniff as even an also-mentioned this year unless he can put more wins on the table. A MAC QB putting up stats on a team struggling to win half its games will put him in oblivion, perception-wise.
I like Frye a lot and said so last year repeatedly, but to get national recognition he's going to need to be on an 8-3, 9-2 team. I don't know that he has the surrounding cast to do that, and that's too bad because he is a very talented QB playing in obscurity.
I'll still take Cribbs, though, if he plays this year. Parsing stats means nothing. Cribbs is usually the dominent athlete on the field who can hurt an opponent so many ways, not just passing percentage. I want the guy who will win the close games in the 4th quarter. That, above anyone else in the MAC this year, is Cribbs, if he plays.

I agree Axeme. And for what it's worth, I sent an email to ESPN's Ivan Maisel about Gradkowski's Heisman chances and he responded by saying that Toledo would have to go undefeated for him to be considered in the running.

That is a sad fact about the perception, but it is true. Pennington was in contention, but Marshall went 13-0 and finished ranked 10th in the country that year. Look at Miami last year......Roethlisberger got a little mention, but not much. You have to figure that if they would have beat Iowa and gone undefeated he would have been given much more consideration.

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MaumeeRocket Wrote:The problem for Frye is he is probally the fourth or fifth best qb in Ohio.

Yes, Your exactly right and too the point. Charlie Frye is like the 4th best QB in Ohio in my Opinion. and he will be a longshot to win the Heisman Trophy this year.

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lower case (within the sentence)
to, not too (which means "also")
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Charlie Frye would start for any college/univ. in Ohio this fall. That makes him the best QB in Ohio. No, he won't win the Heisman but there are a lot of fringe benefits to the program for promoting him. People will know about him in the NFL, if not in college.

ZippyRulz Wrote:

ucbearcat4ever Wrote:

MaumeeRocket Wrote:The problem for Frye is he is probally the fourth or fifth best qb in Ohio.

Yes, Your exactly right and too the point. Charlie Frye is like the 4th best QB in Ohio in my Opinion. and he will be a longshot to win the Heisman Trophy this year.

you're, contraction for "you are"
lower case (within the sentence)
to, not too (which means "also")
opinion, lower case (within the sentence)
And, upper case (beginning a sentence)

Charlie Frye would start for any college/univ. in Ohio this fall. That makes him the best QB in Ohio. No, he won't win the Heisman but there are a lot of fringe benefits to the program for promoting him. People will know about him in the NFL, if not in college.

He wouldn't start at OSU, UT, UC, or Kent. But, you are allowed to think that. Go to a different board and see if any of those schools would trade their quaterback straight up for Frye.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:He wouldn't start at OSU, UT, UC, or Kent. But, you are allowed to think that. Go to a different board and see if any of those schools would trade their quaterback straight up for Frye.

Board fans don't decide on starting QB's...coaches do. If placed on any of these teams, Frye would win the job. If Frye played w/UT his stats would be even higher. If Grad. played on the Zips his stats would be lower than what Frye's have been.