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ZippyRulz Wrote:
MaumeeRocket Wrote:He wouldn't start at OSU, UT, UC, or Kent. But, you are allowed to think that. Go to a different board and see if any of those schools would trade their quaterback straight up for Frye.
Board fans don't decide on starting QB's...coaches do. If placed on any of these teams, Frye would win the job. If Frye played w/UT his stats would be even higher. If Grad. played on the Zips his stats would be lower than what Frye's have been.
Call a coach, i'll give you Stutz's number, i can tell you already what he will say.
05-12-2004 08:22 PM
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ZippyRulz Wrote:
MaumeeRocket Wrote:He wouldn't start at OSU, UT, UC, or Kent. But, you are allowed to think that. Go to a different board and see if any of those schools would trade their quaterback straight up for Frye.
Board fans don't decide on starting QB's...coaches do. If placed on any of these teams, Frye would win the job. If Frye played w/UT his stats would be even higher. If Grad. played on the Zips his stats would be lower than what Frye's have been.
Do you have proof? I don't see any proof anywhere that shows that Frye is a better QB than Gradkowski, or vice versa for that matter, and I certainly have not seen any proof to show that Gradkowski would have lower stats at Akron and Frye would have better stats at Toledo.

Essentially, you are saying that there is proof that Frye is a better player than Gradkowski but everyone else on Toledo's squad is better than everyone else on Akron's squad. 03-lol
05-12-2004 09:28 PM
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Yea, I have to agree (seriously) with Axme and rocketfootball. Basically for any MAC QB to be a finalist for the Heisman, it'll take an undefeated season or at least league champ with some seriously huge numbers. Hell, Ben was awesome last year, MAC champs and he didn't get much notice. Maybe the Zips D should have beat him up like they did Leftwich, he could have limped down the field and gotten tons of press. IMHO, the only way for this to change is for Pennington, Leftwich, and Rothlesburger to shine in the NFL and for the MAC to continue knocking off BCS schools.

I really hope the 5, and the rest of the Zips, are reading all of these posts. He was fired up last year after the Zips were picked to finish fourth in the MAC East, well behind Miami, Marshall, and UCF. Not to say that that prediction wasn't accurate, we finished 3rd, just that I think Frye is one of those people who will take all of this "6th best QB in Ohio" stuff and use it as modivation.

Hopefully, we can finish this discussion in Early Dec. in Akron. Then Frye will 03-nutkick Toledo. Go Zips!
05-12-2004 09:54 PM
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You are right rocketfootball. Just about every starter on Toledo's roster is better than UA's. Of course, thats all thanks to 8 years of a division II coaching staff. However, this is what sets Frye apart from everyone else. It doesn't matter who he plays with. He will always make something happen. I realize that Frye will receive little attention without the wins, and I think the wins will start comming well after Frye is graduated. However, he will be an excellent NFL quarterback. With the amount of talent in the NFL, Frye will light 'em up.
Many of the losses we suffered last year were because of a poor defense; not the offense. We had a big-10 offense and an OAC defense. Without Frye, we probably would have been in the MAC basement right along with buffalo. Saying we had a better defense, we would have beaten Kent, UConn, and Wisconsin, and you are then looking at a 10-2 record. All three of those losses right there resulted from defensive meltdowns in the fourth quarter. Surely, your opinions on our "inferior" qb would be much different.
05-13-2004 11:44 AM
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Point of fact: in all three of the games you mention, Frye had the ball in his hands late in the game with the chance to put the Zips in the lead and in each case he failed to do so. I make no judgment and you can blame the coaches, the line, the defense, the cheerleaders, the refs, and the fans, but I think the QB is the guy who has to deliver in those situations. Had Frye done that, his profile would have been much higher today.
05-13-2004 12:21 PM
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thats not true at all. the coaches didn't give him a chance to win the game against these teams. against kent we ran two plays right up the gut to run the clock instead of letting him throw the ball.in thew wisconsin game we ran up the middle on the one ,and they stuffed us.they scored on the next play.the fact is they didn't give him a chance to win the games. i guess your right its his fault we only scored 38,31,37 points against these teams.im sure zwick would have had at east 50 in each of those games.oh!!!! thats right?how many points did osu score against wisconsin this year? and where was zwick?
this is nothing against zwick, but to say he is better than #5 is just plain dumb.
05-13-2004 08:03 PM
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If you're a coach, and your team has the lead late in the game, the best/obvious thing to do is run the football. I wouldn't take 65% completion rating plus the chance of a deflection and/or interception over a safe run to milk the clock. 65% is an F in any school course.

Next, on the goalline at Wisconson you're talking about, I can see the reasoning for the run up the middle - thats how most teams score touchdowns on short yardage situations. Its safe - I realize they didn't score but I'm talking about coaching - thats what you'd most want to do is run the football.

I know these things and I'm only 17. It would seem suicidal to pass on the goaline....even if you have a great QB. I looked up the Zips RBs on their team website and from the looks of them I would have given them the ball on the goaline too.


Next, I laugh in total amazement at the fact somebody could even CONSIDER Zwick over Frye - that shows me someone's intelligence.

Someone did bring up a good point, in that if you put Charlie Frye in Bruce Gradkowski's shoes, Frye would in reality probably lead that team to more wins, and put up better numbers. I don't think Toledo had a better offensive supporting cast as far as skilled players go, but UT's OL is always awesome. Give Frye their OL and their defense and thats SCARY.
05-15-2004 01:20 PM
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Gotta agree with Swampfox here. If you are going to consistently win games you have to have more than just a QB. Most coaches would try to run the clock out with a run up the middle or try to score at the goal line with a running play....why? Because if you can't be successful at running the ball too then you are not going to be a championship type of team.

Don't fault the coaches for running the ball in those situations. I have seen the best of QB's try to throw the ball late in the game and it really hurt the team. In fact, I remember it happening in a bowl game last year....I think it was Houston vs Hawaii or something like that.
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MaumeeRocket Wrote:He wouldn't start at OSU, UT, UC, or Kent. But, you are allowed to think that. Go to a different board and see if any of those schools would trade their quaterback straight up for Frye.
This Buckeye fan would trade for Frye in a second. He's as good as any QB in the country.

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05-18-2004 02:32 PM
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im not faulting the coaches for running the ball.all im saying is (axeme)you can't blame the qb for losing those games when we couldn't run the ball. if #5 would have thrown in those situations ,and got picked off you could blame him. fact is we tried to run the ball ,and got stuffed. if the defenese would have held those teams under 30 we also would have won all three of those games.im not making excuses.i just dont see how you could blame #5. thats my only point.
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as far as the toledo qb better or worse than #5 i have no idea. i dont agree that toldeo had a better players at all the offense postitions than akron. our te got picked up by the rams. cherry is in camp with the jags. their coach quoted he was one of the better players in mini camp so far of all drafted, and free agents players.
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RACER Wrote:im not faulting the coaches for running the ball.all im saying is (axeme)you can't blame the qb for losing those games when we couldn't run the ball. if #5 would have thrown in those situations ,and got picked off you could blame him. fact is we tried to run the ball ,and got stuffed. if the defenese would have held those teams under 30 we also would have won all three of those games.im not making excuses.i just dont see how you could blame #5. thats my only point.
racer, I really don't blame CF for those losses, only that he has had a shortage of big wins to hang his hat on. That is not his fault necessarily. There's the Marshall win but you can't even give him all the credit for that. As I said earlier, I like him a lot. Maybe those big wins will come this year. He's a fine QB and could prove to be the best in the MAC this year. He's very talented, but he needs some marquee performances to up his profile.
Last year, I thought Ben, Cribbs, Harris, and Grad had better years. It's very hard to compare him with Cribbs (Harris, too) because they are so different. Two completely different styles.
I wish him luck, except at Dix.
05-19-2004 06:57 AM
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AXEME is 100% correct in stating that Cribbs and Frye are different style players.

Frye is a Dean's List student, Cribbs is on trial for selling drugs and beating his wife.

Frye is the #1 total offense leader returning to college football this season, Cribbs is a #1 draft pick for intramurals at Ohio State.... Prison.

Frye is the #1 returning passer in the MAC, Cribbs passed on taking the 5th at his own trial.

Akron will destroy Kent State this year, just like in 6 of the last 8 games between the two teams.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
But you usually are, so it's to be expected.
Turning your bitter hate towards us this year instead of your own team? How many games will that last?
05-19-2004 09:19 AM
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I agree with racer. By talking up Frye, I'm not trying to say that he is a better qb than Gradkowski. Also, comparing Frye to Cribbs and Harris is tough because they are different. Again, I'm not saying who is better necessarily. I guess it all depends on what you prefer in a qb.
However, I think Frye deserves some props for all that he has accomplished so far. He has a shot at breaking Leftwich's record in total yards for crying out loud. As a fan of the MAC, I would be pulling for Frye. I was thrilled with the success of Rothlisberger and Harris. Frye's success can help mantain the MAC's reputation as a league with top notch qb's. Heck, I hope Gradkowski tears things up this season too (as long as he is not playing the zips).
05-19-2004 10:07 AM
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In case you haven't noticed yet Zip fans, our opinions are worthless on this board. We are enemy #1 to most of the other posters because we are dragging down the MAC. Any player on the UT, Miami, BG, Marshall, OU etc..roster is better than ours just by their prescence on those reveered campus's. Don't ya know that until we win something we're just supposed to keep our mouths shut. :chair:
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as far as the si deal its just a magazine.the two magazines i saw out had cf ranked 10 best overall qb. grad and the qb from uconn were BELOW him. in the other magazine it had #5 ranked #1 qb in the mac. it's just somebody's opinion who probably never saw much of any of the qb listed in the magazine
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