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2001grad Wrote:Never said there was.  Just asking how many school in the MAC will qualify to be 1A in 2 years??  I bet the rule gets changed, but I hope not!!!  Maybe you can form a rival in Youngstown St.!!
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herdya Wrote:
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2001grad Wrote:Never said there was.  Just asking how many school in the MAC will qualify to be 1A in 2 years??  I bet the rule gets changed, but I hope not!!!  Maybe you can form a rival in Youngstown St.!!
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I think there is too much Jerry Garcia going on in this board.
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HuronDave Wrote:You can't really be that dense can you?  :(
No, but you obviously have no sense of humor :rolleyes:
Of course having to watch your football team can be pretty funny :D
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Hey herdya, you cannot comprehend how much of a sense of humor I have developed following EMU for all these years, believe me!! :D

BTW...I must have missed the humor part in 2001grad's posts. Unless you consider sad irony to be humor. 03-razz
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The irony is that we are leaving for a current and future D1A confrence and the one we are leaving will be 1AA in a couple of years, which is where our program was before we joined the confrence. We will still be 1A, you Won't!

What a crazy world!! 04-rock
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I, for one, will miss the millions of herd fans who sell out marshall stadium every game. I will also miss how those herd fans singlehandedly won the MAC east the past two years. And how, while their team only won the MAC once in the last four years, all those fans managed to win the other three MAC Championships. [Image: jo.gif]

As for where we were prior to 1997, I know that my school, despite not winning a MAC Championship, still owned a victory over 1995's Big 10 Co-Champ Northwestern Wildcats. Central Michigan had two victories in a row over Michigan State, at the very least BG was rated in the top 25. Further, in the first couple of years Marshall was in the MAC -- certainly before the Herd's mighty influence was the reason for all our successes -- Miami had wins over top-15ish rated VaTech and UNC squads.

As for this supposed notoriety that Marshall has brought to the MAC, how much of it is due to any more impressive wins than what MAC teams were already doing? Army in 1997? Western Illinois -- oh wait, they're I-AA. Troy State? I think they were I-AA then too... I know, South Carolina! Oh, what's that? They went 1-10 that year? Never mind. Oh yes, Wofford! That was a squeaker! Oh wait, they're I-AA as well...jeez, you guys play a lot of I-AA teams.

Well, you did beat a bad Auburn team in 1999. And you did win over BYU that same year -- and you're welcome that we subsidized that game for you. That same year you RUTSed Liberty and rolled over Temple. Woo.

Heck, as far as I can tell, the best win Marshall has since rejoining the MAC is a win over K-State and a bunch of RUTSed scores over I-AA schools. Congratulations. But since that K-State game, we should note your team is 2-8 against teams with winning records...and neither win was on the road.

So feel free to gloat about attendance as much as you care to. It's not like you have a team worth bragging about.
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RedSteve Wrote:I, for one, will miss the millions of herd fans who sell out marshall stadium every game. I will also miss how those herd fans singlehandedly won the MAC east the past two years. And how, while their team only won the MAC once in the last four years, all those fans managed to win the other three MAC Championships. [Image: jo.gif]

As for where we were prior to 1997, I know that my school, despite not winning a MAC Championship, still owned a victory over 1995's Big 10 Co-Champ Northwestern Wildcats. Central Michigan had two victories in a row over Michigan State, at the very least BG was rated in the top 25. Further, in the first couple of years Marshall was in the MAC -- certainly before the Herd's mighty influence was the reason for all our successes -- Miami had wins over top-15ish rated VaTech and UNC squads.

As for this supposed notoriety that Marshall has brought to the MAC, how much of it is due to any more impressive wins than what MAC teams were already doing? Army in 1997? Western Illinois -- oh wait, they're I-AA. Troy State? I think they were I-AA then too... I know, South Carolina! Oh, what's that? They went 1-10 that year? Never mind. Oh yes, Wofford! That was a squeaker! Oh wait, they're I-AA as well...jeez, you guys play a lot of I-AA teams.

Well, you did beat a bad Auburn team in 1999. And you did win over BYU that same year -- and you're welcome that we subsidized that game for you. That same year you RUTSed Liberty and rolled over Temple. Woo.

Heck, as far as I can tell, the best win Marshall has since rejoining the MAC is a win over K-State and a bunch of RUTSed scores over I-AA schools. Congratulations. But since that K-State game, we should note your team is 2-8 against teams with winning records...and neither win was on the road.

So feel free to gloat about attendance as much as you care to. It's not like you have a team worth bragging about.
Actually it was Clemson in 1999. I think they finished 6-5 or 7-4, cannot remember. Very good post though, but if we are going back in time, you mentioned something about 1995?? We won 1AA championship in 92 and 96. Undefeated in 1999. 3 Heisman trophy candidates, but I guess the MAC had what 0 prior to that? Also, how many bowl games prior to our joing the league did the MAC have? I love all the ESPN shots about how the MAC is known for QB's, that is too funny, its more like Marshall is known for QB's and Miami got a very good one on Marshall's coat tail, but I don't seem to remember him being mentioned as Heisman either?? Moss, Pennington, and Leftwich are bigger names the MAC produced the previous 50 years. Oh well there is Jason Taylor, didn't even realize he went to Akron until a few weeks ago. So if we are taking a trip down memory lane then let's go. Few of you even remember when we were in the MAC the first time, so don't even go there, cause I wasn't even born then.
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2001grad Wrote:Moss, Pennington, and Leftwich are bigger names the MAC produced the previous 50 years.
Wow, I was going to leave this alone, but right off the bat, Jack Lambert's name comes to mind as bigger than the three Marshall players. I say we let all their careers play out before we say they're bigger names than a Hall of Famer.
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2001grad Wrote:Moss, Pennington, and Leftwich are bigger names the MAC produced the previous 50 years.
Wow, I was going to leave this alone, but right off the bat, Jack Lambert's name comes to mind as bigger than the three Marshall players. I say we let all their careers play out before we say they're bigger names than a Hall of Famer.
Fair enough.

We'll wait. here is a good poll question which former Herd will be inducted in the HOF first. Moss, Pennington, or Leftwich? Oh, and it wouldn't shock me if Troy Brown gets in.
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yaherd83 Wrote:I've never posted here. But thanks for all the congrats!

But I will say, miamihawktalk and zippyzoomba whatever its cracking me up with the bitter remarks. Especially since they're going bowling anyway! 05-nono
ZiggyZombaya thinks that they are the best and everyone else is a joke. Look at them crack on Toledo and make excuses about our game and say we got lucky against NIU and BG. Umm......whatever you guys say. Have fun watching us on ESPN in the MACC!
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2001Grad - Are you still bitter because the year you graduated the MAC said you could no longer play the MACC at home every year and you lost to Toledo?

The MAC will be just fine without Marshall and would have been fine even if Marshall never rejoined in 1997. You are making a bad name for the few Marshall fans that are actually decent. Why don't you stop making yourself look so stupid and go over to the C-USA board with the other Marshall fans that won't post over here anymore because they feel they are too good for the MAC!!!!
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Quote:but if we are going back in time, you mentioned something about 1995?? We won 1AA championship in 92 and 96.

how does that relate to 1995? Or I-A football? Congratulations on your championship in a different level, but you won no I-A games in those seasons. As far as I can tell, your only I-A game was against a 3-8 Mizzou, a 44-21 date at their homecoming.

Quote:Undefeated in 1999.

An impressive feat, to be sure. But again, your regular-season OOC schedule included a I-AA Liberty (who finished 4-7), a completely average Clemson squad (6-6), and the always woeful Temple (2-9).

At least last year, Miami had the balls to play Iowa (10-3) instead of a I-AA team -- the result? A one-loss season. Our other regular season OOC competition was Colorado State (7-6), and Cincinnati (5-7).

Going undefeated is hard, granted, particularly when everyone is gunning for you, but playing patsies makes it a little easier. The fact that Miami'04 and Marshall'99 both finished ranked #10 should tell you what the pollsters thought of their respective schedules...

Quote:3 Heisman trophy candidates, but I guess the MAC had what 0 prior to that?

Nicely done. One of them only had to go through two other schools to end up in Huntington -- and take advantage of the Herd's I-AA status so he didn't have to sit out a year before playing during the herd's final year in the lower division -- but that's neither here nor there...however, the game remains a team sport.

At the same time, what school in the MAC has influenced the game from the highest level -- that of head coach? What school at one time had alums or former assistants as head coaches at half of the Big Ten schools -- in the same year? It wasn't Marshall. And those coaches had as much or more influence on college football than a couple of heisman also-rans.

Quote:Also, how many bowl games prior to our joing the league did the MAC have?

How many bowls were out there period before Marshall joined the MAC. Answer: a lot less than today. The MAC -- especially this year -- has been a beneficiary of the glut of bowls and lack of eligible teams. Why is Marshall going bowling this season? Because Marshall had heisman trophy winners in years past? Because of Marshall's stellar 6-5 record? Or because of their ability to melt down in the last three minutes of a division-clinching game? Or so they could invite UC's Gino Guidugli to join Stan Hill as guest bartenders at the pre-game events?

No. They got a bowl because Ft. Worth needed a warm body.

Quote:I love all the ESPN shots about how the MAC is known for QB's, that is too funny, its more like Marshall is known for QB's and Miami got a very good one on Marshall's coat tail, but I don't seem to remember him being mentioned as Heisman either??

Well, were Chad or Byron mentioned for Heisman during their junior year? No. So why should Ben be? Be that as it may, before his junior season started, Ben was being mentioned during early Heisman chatter. After he tried to do too much against Iowa, granted, it went away, but he was being mentioned.

Regardless, based on early returns, it seems that Ben may end up having the brightest pro career of the three. He's already the front runner for Rookie of the Year -- something neither of Marshall's progeny accomplished -- and has knocked off the NFL's two best teams in subsequent weekends.
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:rolleyes: Speaking of 1995, Toledo went undefeated and was ranked in the Top 25. Marshall had no bearing on that, so how did the media even know about the MAC back then????? :D
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rocketfootball Wrote:I don't think anyone is pissy about it. Anyone with logic and the understanding that there are 56 teams eligible for 56 spots knows that Marshall is going to a bowl game.
No there are obviously whiners out there.

Here is just a few of the wusses whine.
<a href='http://herdnation.com/forums/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=11289' target='_blank'>CLICK HERE for some of the whine & *****</a>
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There were 21 bowl games and 42 bowl teams in 1997. This year there are 28 games and 56 bowl slots available.

If the Herdiban are claiming credit for that, Marshall Reynolds must be a hell of a lot richer than I had thought.
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Quote:Also, since you are a genious how many MAC schools met the 15,000 att. rule this year?? or last year, or any year for that matter??

After Bowling Green beat them and their bowl hopes looked dead (at the time), Marshall's attendance immediately dropped to 19,000 for their final game. Not exactly a light year above that mythical, magical 15K mark. Not to mention that a read a smattering of fans on the Herd 'Vine - a message board for die hard fans if there ever was one - swearing that they "wouldn't cross the street" to watch their team play that last game.

Herd fans are under this impression that their fan base is immune to any win-loss cycles. But give Marshall a couple sub-.500 seasons or so, and the ridiculous "15K law" will suddenly become a topic of conversation in Huntington too.
Yea right.

To a sub .500 season. :rofl:

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MU attendance falling below 15,000. :rofl:
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DevilGrad Wrote:There were 21 bowl games and 42 bowl teams in 1997. This year there are 28 games and 56 bowl slots available.

If the Herdiban are claiming credit for that, Marshall Reynolds must be a hell of a lot richer than I had thought.
so, 2001 grad, repeat after me:

w-a-r-m b-o-d-y.
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Okie Chippewa Wrote:What's humorous about all of this is MAC fans will overwhelmingly root for the Herd to beat Cinci.
Because...

1) Marshall is still in the MAC and a win counts for the MAC in the record books and for the ESPN Conference Bowl Trophy; and

2) Cinci fans and coaches are much more caustic of the MAC.

Furthermore, CUSA will also overwhelmingly root for the Herd to beat Cinci.
Because...

1) Marshall will be a new member of CUSA; and

2) Cinci is leaving CUSA.

MAC & CUSA Fans rooting together? A common enemy (aka Cinci) truly makes for strange bedfellows.
This I respect & understand.

This post was to those that are pissy NOT the MAC in general.

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herdya Wrote:
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2001grad Wrote:Never said there was.  Just asking how many school in the MAC will qualify to be 1A in 2 years??  I bet the rule gets changed, but I hope not!!!  Maybe you can form a rival in Youngstown St.!!
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What does Jeff Garcia have to do with anything :D
Doesnt he putt from the rough??

Thats what T.O. said. IT must be true.
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2001grad Wrote:Moss, Pennington, and Leftwich are bigger names the MAC produced the previous 50 years.
Wow, I was going to leave this alone, but right off the bat, Jack Lambert's name comes to mind as bigger than the three Marshall players. I say we let all their careers play out before we say they're bigger names than a Hall of Famer.
Have to agree on that one. :ownd:
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