FlashFan Wrote:So much for the "Aloha spirit". :rolleyes:

C'mon country-freak. I'll give you one more chance. That was pretty weak.

Let me help you out:

Instead of "So much for the aloha spirit," how about something like -

The Hawaii Warriors are so lame, they can't even beat a Big 10 team. (Oh wait, my bad. They beat both Northwestern and Michigan St.)

Let's try again: Hawaii is so lousy, they're never on ESPN.
(Sorry, my bad. Hawaii has been on ESPN more time than I can recall. Their QB broke Ty Detmer's passing record (for you country-freaks, Detmer won the Heisman)(that's an award). And, ESPN has had Hawaii highlights as their plays of the week more than once this season alone.) Wasn't Toledo on there too? My bad: NOT!

OK, here's another one: Hawaii is so bad a football team, they can't beat Alabama. (Oh wait, my bad again. They did beat Alabama.)

One last try: Hawaii is so pathetic, they can't send anyone to the NFL. (I give up. My bad again. Hawaii has sent at least four offensive linemen, two defensive linemen, two linebackers, a wide-receiver, a punter, and a running back to the league (that's the NFL you country-bumpkins) all in the last four years.) (And, their All-American receiver/return man - Chad Owens - should be in the league as well).

Cmon Wrote:Sorry, my bad. Hawaii has been on ESPN more time than I can recall.

I recall them playing on ESPN against Boise State. Care to tell us about that game?

cabana boy blue Wrote:lol, glad I 'm getting to you.... think about it .  like I said before it is not my fault or Hawaii's fault that your conference means ZIP, NADA, Nothing.  It is not my fault and Hawaii's fault that ESPN disagrees with what your OPINIONS are lol. :ownd:  :rofl: It is still a fact that the Hawaii Bowl and regular seasons games are sill the highest rated on ESPN,

Again, where is your proof? All you've offered is that we should trust you. Until you offer any actual PROOF, all we have are your ramblings -- the ramblings of a middle schooler drunk on fruity coconut drinks with frilly umbrellas.

Quote:lol sorry that your conference/team means nothing. lol it is not my fault that you conference has no integrity, it is just the way you people are.  It is not my fault , the Hawaii bowls fault  and ESPN's fault that Akron meant ZIP to them, it is just a reflection of your conference. 

Hate to tell you, but the WAC is as insignificant as the MAC. Last year the MAC had a top 10 team. This year the WAC does. Next year, another mid-major probably will. The fact that Hawaii can't even win that conference more than twice in their entire affiliation with the WAC tells me even more what a piss-poor average team they really are, and how the only way they win is to play at home, and the only bowl games they've ever -- EVER -- played in are really home games disguised as bowl games.

That, my friend, is bush league.

Quote:lol the following response from one of your conference fans says it all:
"let me ask you this: is Hawaii suing Akron over a breech of contract? If not, well, guess what, chief: either you have the world's most incompetent in-house counsel at the University of Hawaii, or Akron DID fulfill the terms of the contract, and you should grow up. "

lol , yes Akron did the full terms of the contract that is why they cancelled the game a few months before the season....

Obviously either you don't understand a thing about contracts as I had described them (not really unexpected, since they generally don't teach contract law in seventh grade, and such concepts are probably hard enough to comprehend when you are drunk out of your gourd on froofy hawaiian drinks) OR you are so set on feeling offended that you are willing to overlook the not-so-subtle nuances of contracts.

Quote:lol are you really this ignorant,

Again, I pause for quiet irony....

Quote:you statement says it all, lol lets sue everyone, I guess that is how you people need to handle things because it happens everyday with you folks ... further proof that you guys were brought up by wolves, what kind of values did your parents teach you?

We all know by now that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but let's go slowly here and recap what I said:

1. Did Hawaii and Akron sign a LEGALLY BINDING contract to play a football game (presumed answer: yes, since games are not generally announced without a signed contract)

2. Did Akron cancel out of the game with Hawaii? (yes)

3. Did Akron do so without getting sued by Hawaii? (yes)

So this raises one final question -- granted it's two parts, so don't let that throw you, but here it is: Did Hawaii not sue Akron because they are happy to not reclaim that which Akron rightly owed them OR Did Hawaii not sue Akron because Akron did what was required by the BUYOUT CLAUSE found in the game contract?

I'll wait for you to finish your daiqiri as you contemplate the answer; just get back to me with something besides a string of lol's that you seem to think are your most persuasive arguments.

Quote:EVERYONE knows why AKRON cancelled the game... lol, they knew they would get their ares handed to them so instead of getting embarrased they cancelled... lol yup that shows high integrity.... :ownd:  :rofl:

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you had a seat inside the University of Akron's football offices and have authoritative knowledge on their reasons for canceling a contract. :roll:

Quote:lol last thing for you to think about ....  No matter what your think, say, etc.

AKRON was still the only bowl eligible team that was not invited to a bowl and Hawaii was...... lol that shows how much respect your conference has, nuff said.
lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol,

And Hawaii was still the only team that couldn't get a bowl bid from any other bowl besides their hometown bowl, and that was only because their bowl organizers knew that they couldn't possibly get two schools to bring more than a handful of fans to the islands to take a financial bath on a minimum payout bowl. In fact, Hawaii, in its great and storied history has never participated in any other bowl besides one located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

I repeat: I have no love for Akron. But you should go back to your cabana boy duties and see if you can steal a few more drinks from your tourist clients. It's obvious you're out of your league here.

Quote::ownd:  :rofl:

A quick message board lesson: how do you know your arguments are weak and worthless?

You feel the need to use useless emoticons and piss-poor pidgen insults in place of a cogent argument.

Cmon Wrote:

FlashFan Wrote:So much for the "Aloha spirit". :rolleyes:

C'mon country-freak. I'll give you one more chance. That was pretty weak.

Let me help you out:

Instead of "So much for the aloha spirit," how about something like -

The Hawaii Warriors are so lame, they can't even beat a Big 10 team. (Oh wait, my bad. They beat both Northwestern and Michigan St.)

Let's try again: Hawaii is so lousy, they're never on ESPN.
(Sorry, my bad. Hawaii has been on ESPN more time than I can recall. Their QB broke Ty Detmer's passing record (for you country-freaks, Detmer won the Heisman)(that's an award). And, ESPN has had Hawaii highlights as their plays of the week more than once this season alone.) Wasn't Toledo on there too? My bad: NOT!

OK, here's another one: Hawaii is so bad a football team, they can't beat Alabama. (Oh wait, my bad again. They did beat Alabama.)

One last try: Hawaii is so pathetic, they can't send anyone to the NFL. (I give up. My bad again. Hawaii has sent at least four offensive linemen, two defensive linemen, two linebackers, a wide-receiver, a punter, and a running back to the league (that's the NFL you country-bumpkins) all in the last four years.) (And, their All-American receiver/return man - Chad Owens - should be in the league as well).

NFL? Really? I never knew that existed. Of course Canton is the location of the NFL Hall of Fame. Canton would be located in Ohio. Ohio is where the National Football League was born. You may wish to think about what you post before you post it, sonny.

Listen. I have no problems with hawaii. I love their pineapples. Other than fruit and tourism you offer very little else to society - well, you offer fine shooting location for that Brady Bunch episode.

Ohio, on the other hand, leads Hawaii in number of institutions of higher learning, fine museums, research institutions, hospitals, orchestras, and sports (college and professional).

If you care for examples, I am more than willing to back them up with thoughtful commentary and facts and not pathetic and baseless vitriol.

I've read quite a bit of the threads over at the your Scout board. I have really never known a fan base with such little knowledge about the game of football. One of your posters called Bowling Green the "Cradle of Coaches". That would be Miami with that nickname. This poster was not corrected by anyone.

So, when does school go back into session for you?

lol, glad I'm skill getting to you a$$ backward hicks.... but is still does not change the fact that no one wanted Akron, lolol :rofl: NO ONE! ESPN did not want them in the Hawaii bowl, The Hawaii Bowl did not want them in the bowl and the people of Hawaii did not want them in the bowl... AKRON is ZIP, NADA, Nothing, Zilch.... there is no interest in MAC football, look at what happened to your mighty conference champ or should I say CHUMP because they sure played like one. Go back to dating your farm animals and stary in your ignorant world because that is just what you inbreed hicks deserve,... ZIP, NADA, NOTHING lolololololololo :ownd:

And it still does not change the FACT that AKRON cancelled because they knew they were going to get thir arse handed to them like Toldeo did today ... lol, AKRON = No integrity, no respect and no ball$...

lol, REdsteve everything you point out is everything that Hawaii has and the MAC does not. stop whining, it is not Hawaii's fault that ESPN wants a bowl game in Hawaii... the next time ESPN is looking to start a bowl game I'm sure they will look at a MAC school location. lol, yeah right it will never happen.. take a deep and say MAC is suckie, suckie because that is what it is..... thank you for noticing all of the things that Hawaii has and the MAC does not, it only further proves, the MAC has ZIP, Nothing, NADA, Zilch. Deal with it, youir confernce sucks and is in the arm pit of america lol.....

Cmon Wrote:The Hawaii Warriors are so lame, they can't even beat a Big 10 team.  (Oh wait, my bad.  They beat both Northwestern and Michigan St.)

Right. And they didn't have any officiating help in those games.

Quote:Let's try again:  Hawaii is so lousy, they're never on ESPN.
(Sorry, my bad.  Hawaii has been on ESPN more time than I can recall. 

Ah, but see, with the magic of the internet, I can find out exactly how many times Hawaii was on ESPN/ESPN2 this year: three times in the regular season. Four times including the last home game, er, bowl.

And how many times were the Miami RedHawks on ESPN or ESPN2 this season? Including their bowl game tomorrow, four times.

Hey, that sounds about equal...quite an amazing feat for a school that doesn't have nearly the supposed clout with ESPN that Hawaii does.

But wait...Miami's four appearances on ESPN/ESPN2 pales in comparison to Toledo's SIX appearances on those networks.

Tell me again how Hawaii is so much more highly sought than MAC teams?

Quote:Their QB broke Ty Detmer's passing record (for you country-freaks, Detmer won the Heisman)(that's an award).

Yes, Timmy passed Ty's passing record. However, he never won Ty's Heisman. Did he even get invited to New York? No. Why? Because 1) by playing in Hawaii, he automatically gets to play more games per season than Detmer did, and 2) his passing efficiency this season is only 39th in the nation, despite playing in a conference where defense is optional.

Oh, and incidentally, Timmy's 39th ranking in pass efficiency is behind no fewer than 5 MAC quarterbacks. FIVE. Omar Jacobs, Bruce Gradkowski, Josh Betts, Charlie Frye, and Josh Cribbs are all more efficient QBs than Chang.

Quote:And, ESPN has had Hawaii highlights as their plays of the week more than once this season alone.)  Wasn't Toledo on there too?  My bad:  NOT!

Ah, I had no idea we were now keeping "plays of the week appearances" as an NCAA stat category. Since they are, perhaps you could give me a breakdown on how many times each school has appeared.

Or here's a thought: maybe you pay attention to your school a little more than you pay attention to any other.

Quote:OK, here's another one:  Hawaii is so bad a football team, they can't beat Alabama.  (Oh wait, my bad again.  They did beat Alabama.)

Did you miss the part where NIU did the same thing, but they managed to do it IN Tuscaloosa without the benefit of home field advantage?

oh wait, let me translate my last post into hawaiian pidgen.

Quote:lol you know nothing you stupid lol guys lololol you want facts who needs lol facts  :rofl: i have all kind sportsmenship  :ownd: you are stupid to think anything why should we  even debate because i know  :withstupid: all you dumb dumb islanders who sucky sucky on coconut drinks and have sex with bowls of poi    :ownd:    :snore:  :eek:    :D  :crying:

You may now understand my post.

lol Red steve, now I make you look like and ignorant idiot also, You said the following:

"Again, where is your proof? All you've offered is that we should trust you. Until you offer any actual PROOF, all we have are your ramblings -- the ramblings of a middle schooler drunk on fruity coconut drinks with frilly umbrellas"

Here is the proof:<a href='http://starbulletin.com/2002/05/23/sports/simpson.html' target='_blank'>ESPN Rating</a><a href='http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/02/sp/sp06p.html' target='_blank'>ESPN</a>

Sweet Lord, it took you this long to produce a column on how the hawaii bowl is nothing more than a home game for UH and an article on how Hawaii's blowout loss to an undefeated Boise State team was not even the highest rated FRIDAY night ESPN game this season? And from that you expect us to glean that Hawaii is some holy grail for ESPN?

1. Sure, if ESPN regional is staging a game, they'll want it to be a success. How do you hold a successful game in Hawaii? Invite the only team whose fans don't have to drop a couple of grand per person to go to the damn game. They like Hawaii because of geography, not because of competitive purposes.

2. Being the second best rated game on a friday night ESPN2 game is like being the second runner up at a junior high beauty pageant. What games of consequence were played on Friday night this year? ESPN put you on because they figured slightly more people would watch to see if Boise State could stay undefeated than would watch poker. And yet you think that means ESPN thinks you are more attractive than any MAC schools? well, what about Toledo? As you can see above, they were on ESPN two times more than you -- not bad for a bunch of midwestern phalluses, eh?

Want to really impress me? Show me how all of Hawaii's games this season rated against Toledo's or Miami's or Marshall's or BG's. Don't pull out two tangentially related articles and trot that out as some kind of proof of anything. That's so weak, I'm embarassed for you.

lol, I see you did not mention that FACT THAT the Hawaii-BYU game was the highest rated game in ESPN2 history, another example of midwest integrity, you guys have no integrity, why is that ? ...like I said you don't have to believe what I post, it still does not change the fact that THE AKRON ZIPS WERE THE ONLY BOWL ELIGIBLE TEAM WHO DID NOT GET INVITED TO A BOWL AND WHAT CONFERENCE ARE THEY FROM .... RIGHT THE BIGTIME BLUE BALLS mac CONFERENCE. lol, keep whining that will help.... it is not my fault that MAC schools sucks... it is just a fact..... like I said before it is not my fault ESPN has a major interest in the University of Hawaii, it is not my fault the MAC is ZIP, NADA, Nothing, ZILCh, it is just a fact.... and most of all it is not my fault you live where you do and can't afford to get out of your barn.. lol :rofl: :ownd: lol, again you can't think say, post, etc what you want it does not matter to me .... it still does not change the fact that ESPN, the Hawaii Bowl and the people of hawaii did not want the ZIPS because that is exactly what the bowl would have got from a MAC team ZIP, NADA, NOTHING, ZILCH as was shown by your conference chump today... your cump got punked big time. lol yes that is an elite conference lololololololololoolo

Why is anyone bothering with this idiot? Well, what the hell.

FWIW, while Hawaii residents appear to have relatively low obesity rates (<a href='http://starbulletin.com/2004/09/02/news/story1.html' target='_blank'>source</a>), the picture is radically different for native Hawaiians, and it appears that the suicide rate in paradise is pretty damned high. Civility prohibits me from suggesting that some of these guys become just another statistic.

Back to the only substantive point I saw in this thread, the primary reason teams are willing to play at Hawaii is that the NCAA gives them an extra regular season game as an inducement to do so. If UH were such an attractive destination for regular-season football, it wouldn't require bribes from both the NCAA and the Hawaii state legislature (travel subsidies) to attract opponents. When neither is a factor, as in the case of the bowl game, that crew is usually stuck sucking left hind tit for an opponent. If I were a taxpayer in Hawaii, I'd wonder about an athletic program that consumes so many subsidies yet represents the state so poorly.

Finally, tell Timmy Chang to buy a parka. If you're used to playing nine games a year in Hawaii, it's awfully ******* cold up in Canada.

Respond if you like, but you've seen my one and only take on this. For New Year's, I'm renewing my resolution to stop picking on fools, cripples, and mendicants.

Best personal regards,
DG

lol awhole lota whinning going on lol.... this is too ez .. damn you guys are ignorant and it still does not change the fact your teams are in the MAC. Yup, that is big time chump status ..... lollololololololololo :ownd: :rofl: :ownd: :ownd:

Quote:lol awhole lota whinning going on lol.... this is too ez .. damn you guys are ignorant and it still does not change the fact your teams are in the MAC. Yup, that is big time chump status ..... lollololololololololo&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; :ownd:&nbsp; :rofl:&nbsp; :ownd:&nbsp; :ownd:

:withstupid:

DevilGrad Wrote:Why is anyone bothering with this idiot? Well, what the hell.

FWIW, while Hawaii residents appear to have relatively low obesity rates (<a href='http://starbulletin.com/2004/09/02/news/story1.html' target='_blank'>source</a>), the picture is radically different for native Hawaiians, and it appears that the suicide rate in paradise is pretty damned high. Civility prohibits me from suggesting that some of these guys become just another statistic.

Back to the only substantive point I saw in this thread, the primary reason teams are willing to play at Hawaii is that the NCAA gives them an extra regular season game as an inducement to do so. If UH were such an attractive destination for regular-season football, it wouldn't require bribes from both the NCAA and the Hawaii state legislature (travel subsidies) to attract opponents. When neither is a factor, as in the case of the bowl game, that crew is usually stuck sucking left hind tit for an opponent. If I were a taxpayer in Hawaii, I'd wonder about an athletic program that consumes so many subsidies yet represents the state so poorly.

Finally, tell Timmy Chang to buy a parka. If you're used to playing nine games a year in Hawaii, it's awfully ******* cold up in Canada.

Respond if you like, but you've seen my one and only take on this. For New Year's, I'm renewing my resolution to stop picking on fools, cripples, and mendicants.

Best personal regards,
DG

Do you MAC fans intentionally miss the points, make arrogant statements based upon your own opinions, and not understand football? Or, are you just plain stupid?

Either way, Devil Boy, why do you start by saying things like "Why bother?" and then go rambling on with a whole lot of nothing.

I admit, Miami (Ohio) is a solid team. The Warrior's coach - June Jones - clearly stated after UH beat Miami (with Big Ben playing) that he would love to play Miami again "just to see Ben play again." I've also admitted that Marshall is a great team that, if I recall correctly, consistently knocks of top twenty schools.

But, Toledo? Come on! Toledo just got pummeled by the 5th place (out of 7!) team in the horrible Big East. And, it was a team that was independent last season.

Once Toledo showns that it can win a bowl, and consistently beat teams like Alabama, Oregon St., Fresno St., and Michigan St., then maybe they'd get some respect.

Until then, Toledo will be taking a back seat (way in the back) to teams like Marshall, Miami (Ohio), and Akron.

Anyways, I still suggest that you mid-west pigs lose some weight. Really. Obesity is not good for your health. Forget about college football. There's more to life than the MAC. Really. Subscribe to The National Geographic (that's a magazine), and see that there's life outside of poking your fat girlfriends, male prostitutes, and farm animals.

Best regards.

Yo, Central Michigan fan. Great win over Ball St. (which is another solid team). Toledo was given the win over you guys, and they talk all their smack about officiating.

Why is it that Toledo fans whine and talk alot of empty trash when they lose (to a mediocre team in their "big bowl game")? They get humiliated, then blame the officiating and make excuses. And, when other teams are SUCCESSFUL, they can only cry and whine some more, saying that other teams won "because they got help from the officiating."

You know, maybe it's just the Toledo wanna-be's that are the cry-babys of the MAC.