The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

That is true when you put it in that light. The coaches have to deal with time away from campus during the week with a higher bar to hit with grades and more games overall.

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Isn't one of the reasons they give for not having a playoff system is because it would interfere with academics?

Blah blah blah

gcd Wrote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

Precisely.

With 12 games the number of Bowl eligible teams will probably go up leving the MAC struggling to get three invites.

it puts NIU on the map, no? and if we support that, we're part of the hypocrasy.

gcd Wrote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

Reducing the rides to 85 was a good thing. Mid Majors like NIU get players that might otherwise go to a BCS school. I agree on the playoff issue They need a FB playoff!

NIUBro Wrote:

gcd Wrote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

Reducing the rides to 85 was a good thing. Mid Majors like NIU get players that might otherwise go to a BCS school. I agree on the playoff issue They need a FB playoff!

Novak was quoted as saying they should increase eligibilty to 5 years from 4 in the 12 game schedule is adopted. He said that would effectively increase the active roster from 65 to 85.

The playoff idea has always been discounted since it would add games and decrease time in the classroom. Hypocrisy at it's finest, an NCAA trait.

Quote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

I really don't see how a 12th game is THAT big of a deal.. the season is 14 weeks of practice and conditioning anyways... baseball plays 50-60 games... basketball plays 25-30 (most during school), and the list goes on...

Football plays ONE game a week, and until this recent expirament by the MAC, they were almost all on weekends.

...as for reducing the rides (it is 83, not 85, iirc)... they need to do most Division I school a favor and cut the # of scholarships to about 50-60, and allow schools to cut a portion of those up into partial scholarships... (and then make I-AA schools drop about 15-20 rides as well)

Unless you are in a BCS conference, odds are you WILL NOT make money on football... (NIU doesn't). But there is a huge amount of pressure on mid-major schools to sponser D-IA football for publicity reasons... most of the MAC schools, frankly, have no business being Division I... schools that can't get 15,000/game in the stadium are losing a TON of money...

The size of football programs, and the costs of staying competitive is alot more than most I-A and I-AA programs can afford... if the program sizes were cut, more schools would be able to afford the sport, and Title IX would be ALOT less of a burden.

Title IX is not unreasonable... there is a VERY common misconception that it requires 50-50 funding... that isn't true... college wrestling (and other sports) programs are being cut because football takes up SO many scholarships... the number of scholarships a men's team gets compared to womens (13-15 in basketball for example) is made to "make up" for football...

ijustkrushalot Wrote:

Quote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

I really don't see how a 12th game is THAT big of a deal.. the season is 14 weeks of practice and conditioning anyways... baseball plays 50-60 games... basketball plays 25-30 (most during school), and the list goes on...

Football plays ONE game a week, and until this recent expirament by the MAC, they were almost all on weekends.

...as for reducing the rides (it is 83, not 85, iirc)... they need to do most Division I school a favor and cut the # of scholarships to about 50-60, and allow schools to cut a portion of those up into partial scholarships... (and then make I-AA schools drop about 15-20 rides as well)

Unless you are in a BCS conference, odds are you WILL NOT make money on football... (NIU doesn't). But there is a huge amount of pressure on mid-major schools to sponser D-IA football for publicity reasons... most of the MAC schools, frankly, have no business being Division I... schools that can't get 15,000/game in the stadium are losing a TON of money...

The size of football programs, and the costs of staying competitive is alot more than most I-A and I-AA programs can afford... if the program sizes were cut, more schools would be able to afford the sport, and Title IX would be ALOT less of a burden.

Title IX is not unreasonable... there is a VERY common misconception that it requires 50-50 funding... that isn't true... college wrestling (and other sports) programs are being cut because football takes up SO many scholarships... the number of scholarships a men's team gets compared to womens (13-15 in basketball for example) is made to "make up" for football...

I enjoyed reading all of your mistakes and thinking to myself...Wow people from U of I are great! :wave:

I think less scholarships is good for only one reason. Guys who would have been taking that last scholarship from a school like Miami and been a 4th string running back are now getting a chance to start at a school like NIU and make a name for themself.

Title IX is only unreasonable because football has so many more people, they should really adjust it to take that into account. Having to cut teams like mens volleyball, rugby, lacrosse, swimming, track, etc.. (all sports NIU doesn't have, some solely for money reasons though) but to make sure that they fit for title IX is counter-productive and doesn't help people.

crazywilly Wrote:

ijustkrushalot Wrote:

Quote:The Presidents and the NCAA are concerned for the student athlete, however, they will add a 12th game, they schedule games at mid week, they reduced the rides to 85, they are increasing the grade requirements. Kind of puts the coaches in a tough position.

I really don't see how a 12th game is THAT big of a deal.. the season is 14 weeks of practice and conditioning anyways... baseball plays 50-60 games... basketball plays 25-30 (most during school), and the list goes on...

Football plays ONE game a week, and until this recent expirament by the MAC, they were almost all on weekends.

...as for reducing the rides (it is 83, not 85, iirc)... they need to do most Division I school a favor and cut the # of scholarships to about 50-60, and allow schools to cut a portion of those up into partial scholarships... (and then make I-AA schools drop about 15-20 rides as well)

Unless you are in a BCS conference, odds are you WILL NOT make money on football... (NIU doesn't). But there is a huge amount of pressure on mid-major schools to sponser D-IA football for publicity reasons... most of the MAC schools, frankly, have no business being Division I... schools that can't get 15,000/game in the stadium are losing a TON of money...

The size of football programs, and the costs of staying competitive is alot more than most I-A and I-AA programs can afford... if the program sizes were cut, more schools would be able to afford the sport, and Title IX would be ALOT less of a burden.

Title IX is not unreasonable... there is a VERY common misconception that it requires 50-50 funding... that isn't true... college wrestling (and other sports) programs are being cut because football takes up SO many scholarships... the number of scholarships a men's team gets compared to womens (13-15 in basketball for example) is made to "make up" for football...

I enjoyed reading all of your mistakes and thinking to myself...Wow people from U of I are great! :wave:

They don't teach English at U of I, Willy. That would be beneath them. :)

Krush,

Excellent post as usual...well though-out and succinct. Sometimes I wonder if the others have listened to too much Talking Heads, "I can't seem to face up to the facts / tense and nervous, I can't relax."

Kudos Krush.

No one expected you to disagree with your Fighting Illness buddy. You and your fellow trolls have still not answered the question that was posed to you. Why do you spend time on a Mid Major board of a school that does not deserve a D1a Football team? You should be more worried about how Ron Zook will turnaround that train wreak downstate.

Without all the midmajor programs, from what pool of eligible opponents would the bigger boys get all their "tune up games" or would those all be replaced by more and more BCS only intersectional matchups between SEC - BT- PAC TEN - BIG 12 - ACC ?
Would there simply be more conference gamesd played?

Would such schduling make it more difficult for enough teams to reach six wins to become bowl eligible? Are games vrs midmajors considered the ticket to a bowl for mediocre teams ? Why else do so many BCS schools seek to pad their records playing vrs. nonBCS games especially away @ such places as Hawaii ( bonus of great trip for players and fans with alot of disposable income) and don't you love it when the results go the other way ?


Plus - the more that players from the MAC make a big name for themselves in the pros, MAC recruiting will improve and thge talent level and competitiveness of the MAC teams should continue making progress.

However, the critic is right that the MAC and some other midmajors cannot hide from the abysmal attendance stigma.

Quote: Sometimes I wonder if the others have listened to too much Talking Heads, "I can't seem to face up to the facts / tense and nervous, I can't relax."

I totally disagree. You can not listen to too much Talking Heads.

As for the facts:

Facts are simple and facts are straight.
Facts are lazy and facts are late.
Facts don't come with what to do.
Facts don't do what you want them to.
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living, turned inside out.
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing but faceless men.

:D

Quote:Why do you spend time on a Mid Major board of a school that does not deserve a D1a Football team?

Read my post again.

I said that schools that can't get 15,000/game simply cannot keep up with higher level division IA programs, and have no business being division IA. These schools choose to remain in IA because of the prestige of being a I-A school... regardless of whether or not they can keep up.

I never said anything about NIU. The only thing that seperates a program like NIU and, for example, Indiana, is that Indiana benifits from being in a BCS conference, and has a guarenteed stream of revenue from BCS bowl bids, TV rights, etc... plus large traveling fan bases from places like tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, etc...

As for scholarships and Title IX... i believe that Division I-A scholarships should PROBABLY be cut by about 15-20 across the board (I-A and I-AA)... this would make it more affordable for schools to provide a football program. It would allow schools to save money from either having add teams to be title IX compliant, or save programs from the chopping block (such as wrestling, and even football).

55 scholarships is even too much for most I-AA programs to carry... as most I-AA schools lose money on football (and some are cutting the sport all-together, such as Eastern Tennessee State Football)

My only beef with Title IX is that it should be modified to require participation along the lines of high school participation numbers... which in the state of Illinois is roughly 60-40 Boys-Girls... rather than the "proportionality" required now, which requires equal funding along the lines of enrollment at a particular school.

I cannot imagine many college coaches as happy campers trying to field competive teams week in/out and productive practices in a 12 game schedule - or with programs in I -aa playoffs - or 1-A post season with fewer players on rosters. The attrition rate in college (injury, grades, discipline problems ) is probably alot higher than HS ball.

Are you NOT suggesting fewer football scholarships?