Akron 6-2 in the mac

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MTSU 4-4 in the Sun Belt

in Akron's home opener

bluesmoke Wrote:Akron 6-2 in the mac

LOST to

MTSU 4-4 in the Sun Belt

in Akron's home opener

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Schadenfreude Wrote:

bluesmoke Wrote:Akron 6-2 in the mac

LOST to

MTSU 4-4 in the Sun Belt

in Akron's home opener

Here's a cookie:

No matter how often I see it, it always makes me laugh...

bluesmoke Wrote:Akron 6-2 in the mac

LOST to

MTSU 4-4 in the Sun Belt

in Akron's home opener

Yes they were 6-2 in the MAC. They lost to Miami and NIU. They did not play BG or Toledo, or else they would have had 4 losses in the MAC. What's your point?

WKU's strong desire to join up with the MAC speaks volumes about the SBC.......they are not on par with the MAC in any way, shape or form. In the same breath, I have nothing against the SBC, and wish them the best as I do any non-BCS conference.

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

DrTorch Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

You were 2-9 in 2000 Dr. Torch.......

Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

DrTorch Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

You were 2-9 in 2000 Dr. Torch.......

Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump.

ouch! Waiting for a reply to this. :D

rocketfootball Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

DrTorch Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

You were 2-9 in 2000 Dr. Torch.......

Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump.

ouch! Waiting for a reply to this. :D

The proverbial blind squirrel seemingly found the much-rumored nut. :D

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

KC,

What are you on down there???

"The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games". :rofl:

So will this apply to Solich IF he starts winning? What a dumb statement. In case you've forgotten, it is Coach Brandon that has won a couple bowl games with BG, not Meyer. We won before Meyer and we've won after Meyer. What's Ohio's excuse? In case you don't know, Meyer's ONLY offer was BGSU in 2001.

"Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs."

Didn't happen to BG when Josh Harris graduated and Meyer moved on.


"NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages."

?????? What advantages do NIU, UT and Miami have?

You must be delusional from all the losing over the years in Athens.

Why you continue to rip on BG is something I can't figure out. We haven't won a MAC title since 1992, which is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long to be waiting.
You haven't won a MAC title since 1968...the year I was born. When's the last time the Bobcats were ranked? And we've kicked your azzes all over the field for most of this series.

"Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump".

Still smarting after having 72 pts laid on you the last time OU was in town? You'll get more of that this year. And what makes Perry Stadium such a dump?


:rolleyes:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

DrTorch Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

You were 2-9 in 2000 Dr. Torch.......

Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump.

ouch! Waiting for a reply to this. :D

Kit Cat said it -- making it like a tree falling on Mars.

But since you ask -- when is Toledo going to get an indoor training facility?

Uh huh.

Schadenfreude Wrote:But since you ask -- when is Toledo going to get an indoor training facility?

Uh huh.

The exact same time Savage Hall gets renovated. (Plans are being drawn up as we speak) It will be made into a multi-purpose facility.

-Dan

using a lot of history in those rankings vandelay


B12 is OU, Texas and.......
P10 is USC, Cal and.....


I would put the b10 3rd coming into this year. Last year, most teams had new QBs ...now all have vets...I think that league will do well.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

DrTorch Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:10.MAC. NIU has a strong mid major program in a state without traditional 1-A powers. Toledo has its niche in this league as a city school with a nice on campus facility. Miami has that Biff image which is attractive in signing Jocks. Akron had the MAC's best recruiting class and with the talent in NE Ohio is on its way to being a strong program with facility upgrades. The other 8 members of this conference to be honest aren't very notable. The only reason BG is winning is because Urban Meyer got the ball rolling there. Had Urban chose Central Michigan instead, they'd be the ones going to bowl games. Any school in this conference could contend for a MAC Championship for a decent number of years when the right coach is in town but then its right back down the ladder in a weak QB year with coaches moving on to better jobs. NIU, Toledo, and Miami excepted from the cycles because of their advantages. Nobody in this league can fill a 40,000 stadium deserving of the BCS.

I guess BG will get a chance to prove the point in 2006. Meanwhile, the Falcons are 2-0 in bowls after Meyer...0-0 with Meyer.

No offense to Urban, but he wasn't our version of Grobe. BG won before him, and after.

You were 2-9 in 2000 Dr. Torch.......

Aside from coaches, why else does anyone choose to play at BG? They probably have the worst overall faciliites in the MAC. Thats beggining to change with the Sebo center, but the stadium remains a dump.

ouch! Waiting for a reply to this. :D

Kit Cat said it -- making it like a tree falling on Mars.

But since you ask -- when is Toledo going to get an indoor training facility?

Uh huh.

First my comments were more in shock of Kit-Cat's incredibly stupid posts.

Second, an indoor practice facility will be part of the Savage Hall renovation. A study is being done right now on exactly how to do the renovation. An exact timeframe is not in place, but I would guess within a couple of years.

"Umm "Hellacious" maybe? "

Well, I guess you can see now why I wasn't Miami material twenty-some years ago


Upon further review of the quality posts above, I would now rate the Big Ten at #3, the Big East ahead of the Mountain West, and most certainly, the WAC barely above the Sun Belt. After Boise State, Fresno St and Hawaii, the collection of Utah State, Idaho, NM State and San Jose State is not very attractive at all.

For all you guys who get taken into the Big Eat as #6, I state they should be much lower. Take for instance Temple. They beat Syracuse a BE bowl team but get rocked by us every time out, almost Compare their wins against us and how they competed in the BE. Its not close.

The Be goes 8th tops. Any team that keeps Rutgers and Temple in play for as long as they did gets knocked down on that alone.

BTW, in an awful move by the MAC, Temple will join if for no other reasopn they need to have enough schools get the stands taken care of w/the NCAA mandated attendance. Its sickening but will happen..

Maybe it depends on which world you live in.

If you want to point to competition, then the MAC has had a few wins against 1-A competition of note, so has every non-bcs conference. But maybe the overall record needs to be examined when judging the entire conference. UCF and Marshall should be excepted in these discussions. I don't think the MAC has had a winning percentage (per season or overall) against 1-A competition since Marshall has come and gone from the league. Nick, you can research that.

If you want to look it objectively, look at the dollars the TV networks are willing to pay for the product. That stands for itself. Not exposures...but dollars. There's a big difference. I know for sure, the MAC doesn't have the dollar-per-exposure ratio that the new CUSA does. You can figure the GRPs if you want to, but look at the contracts. nCUSA is larger, if only from the ESPN standpoint. And Shad...Football drives TV money, not hoops, so your argument about the loss of future NCAA units in the new CUSA falls short (besides that, no one knows what the nCUSA will do in hoops).

Maybe you could look at it from a "fandom" standpoint. Which conference averages more fans per game when compared to the competition. There are no (nor anywhere near it) 40/10 programs in the MAC. That's something that's important, because at 40,000 average attendance football programs are self-sufficient, at 10,000 basketball programs are self sufficient. Most nCUSA programs are capable of both levels, some are there already. No MAC stadium can accomodate 40K.

Maybe you could look at the bowl committees who are willing to financially agree to a tie in with a conference. Because we all know, and agree, that bowls are not about competition. Bowls are about making money, and they make money by getting fans in the seats.
And before you say that "CUSA pays for those bowls" you have to ask, "How come CUSA has more money thatn the MAC?"

How you rate conferences depends your perspective.

I would encourage all of you to look at what the people who are in the business of marketing college sports are willing to pay for your product. These people don't make stupid decisions, and I think you should seriously look at where the MAC is placed in the media structure of college sports. It's not above CUSA.

It's the marketplace, man.

Peace,

GreenSteve.

Vandelay, did you post this sh!t just to bait the rebels into posting on this site, or were you just trying to find out how many of them still enjoy reading over here?

The Knight Time Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:I would still rank the Big East 6th. West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and Louisville are top 25 calibur. As far a tv exposure, stadium size, and overall quality, I still think the Big East is ahead of the MWC. Louisville has a very strong program now.

I wouldn't.

Last year's BE "champion" got absolutely steamrolled by the MWC champion- Utah.

WVU and Lousiville are the only real top 25 caliber teams I see. Pitt has a transitional program with a new coach, Syracuse is a total mess, and the rest of the league is comprised of teams that very easilly could be playing in the MAC or CUSA........and be beat.

I think after the top 5 it's very close with the MWC, BE, MAC, and CUSA.

I believe the Sun Belt jumped forward adding Troy, but took 2 BIG steps back by adding FAU and FIU.

Let's face the facts. UCF FB went 0-11 in 2004.It included an embarassing blowout loss to the Buffalo Bulls 48-20.During the same period, FAU was 9-3 including a 35-28 win at University if Hawaii.
For you to criticize the addition of the Owls to the Sunbelt is ludicrous.

GreenSteve Wrote:Maybe it depends on which world you live in.

If you want to point to competition, then the MAC has had a few wins against 1-A competition of note, so has every non-bcs conference.  But maybe the overall record needs to be examined when judging the entire conference. UCF and Marshall should be excepted  in these discussions. I don't think the MAC has had a winning percentage (per season or overall) against 1-A competition  since Marshall has come and gone from the league. Nick, you can research that.

If you want to look  it objectively, look at the dollars the TV networks are willing to pay for the product. That stands for itself. Not exposures...but dollars. There's a big difference. I know for sure, the MAC doesn't have the dollar-per-exposure ratio  that the new CUSA does. You can figure the GRPs if you want to, but look at the contracts. nCUSA is larger, if only from the ESPN standpoint. And Shad...Football drives TV money, not hoops, so your argument about the loss of future NCAA units in the new CUSA falls short (besides that, no one knows what the nCUSA will do in hoops).

Maybe you could look at it from a "fandom" standpoint. Which conference averages more fans per game when compared to the competition. There are no (nor anywhere near it) 40/10 programs in the MAC. That's something that's important, because at 40,000 average attendance football  programs are self-sufficient, at 10,000 basketball programs are self sufficient. Most nCUSA programs are capable of both levels, some are there already. No MAC stadium can accomodate 40K.

Maybe you could look at the bowl committees who are willing to financially agree to a tie in with a conference. Because we all know, and agree, that bowls are not about competition. Bowls are about making money, and they make money  by getting fans in the seats.
And before you say that "CUSA pays for those bowls"  you have to ask, "How come CUSA has more money thatn the MAC?"

How you rate conferences depends your perspective.

I would encourage all of you to look at what the people who are in the business of marketing college sports are willing to pay for your product. These people don't make stupid decisions, and I think you should seriously look at where the MAC is placed in the media structure of college sports.  It's not above CUSA.

It's the marketplace, man.

Peace,

GreenSteve.

Good luck winning your conference tournament next year.

Peace.