Threaded Mode | Linear Mode

cant_think_of_a_witty_nam · 10-07-2002 08:52 PM

As far as I'm concerned, Mrs.Sippy is a beautiful state everywhere I've been. I grew up (I'm not as grown up as that might sound) in the Delta which is loathed by most. I was ready to get the hell out of there. Now that I have, I find myself speechless at it's magnificence when I go back home. Great farming landscapes. Stunning sunsets over ponds, through tree-lines, and amid dusty backroads. Every trip I make between Oxford and Sunflower (Hwys 6, 3, and 49) I find myself in awe of the serenity as I even pass Parchman. When I trek between Oxford and Starkville, I turn off the radio and watch the world race by at 67 mph (cruise set). My only real complaint is the presence of mosquitoes. Of course, life in the Delta has hardened me to the bloodsuckers of other areas. I guess vaccuuming a plethora of dead mosquitoes out of my backseat is a small price to pay for travelling God's country with the windows down. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

I'll be damned if that didn't turn into a novel. My apologies. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> (This ad for MS Tourism was brought to you by Jarrett Byrd)

cant_think_of_a_witty_nam · 10-07-2002 08:55 PM

Thanks for the words, we love good ole Dixie, too.

We both feel unrespected, so we do share some common ground there. I don't know if you've thought about this or not, but they did take the "victory margin" out of the equation in regards to rankings this year, so that may be why y'all aren't getting your due respect. Believe me, I've seen what BGU has done this year, as I keep up with every Div I schools' records and individual games every year since '95. Obsessed, yes, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that has raised an eyebrow at your scores. Good luck this year and come to Mississippi anytime.

JBRebel · 10-07-2002 09:05 PM

Well, gentlemen, we can jabber all day and night about SoS this, MAC that and the Dixie landscape (which I love, although I'm pretty damn particular to the hills of NE and N central Mississippi) but it just comes down to one thing:

Bowling Green has never been a national power. We have. BG has never won a national title. We have 3. BG has never won a power conference title. We've got 6 (just as many, btw, as that former #6 team we just knocked off).

No respect for a once mighty football powerhouse. End of discussion.

WizardRebel · 10-07-2002 09:08 PM

I won't even begin to restate what was said among my friends when the BG score popped up on ESPN during the Arkansas/UT game (mainly because this is a respectable forum <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ). I sincerely hope BG rips up the stereotypes of mid-majors. Unfortunately, I doubt they will not be given the stage to set the world on fire. Not anytime soon at least. We will need parity to set in even more than it is now before the MAC, WAC, C-USA, etc. get any real run in the NCAA. College football fans (as opposed to team-specific fans) as a whole will benefit exponentially from a few more '98 Tulanes, '00 Marshall's, and so on. As witnessed in college basketball by the surge of mid-major asskickers like Cincinatti and Kent St. When the conference-bowl-ties fall to the wayside (not that they will) the sport will become the truly spectacular sport it should be.

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 03:46 PM

I must admit that when I saw Ole Miss beat Florida, I didn't get why it was such a big deal. Florida is overrated anyhow, and Mississippe is underrated.

HOWEVER, Bowling Green is the most underrated school in the country. Period.

You can talk about SOS and everything else, but right now, we have played a schedule not that much different from a Big 12 team. We haven't played a bunch of 'weak' MAC teams yet. I think beating Missouri is mildly impressive, but didn't just "beat" them. we kicked the crap out of them 51-28, and it wasn't that close. IF Florida couldn't but more than 35 on the board against Ohio, does it mean something that we more than DOUBLED that? (72-21)

Transitive scoring doens't mean that much, but these kinds of numbers can't be denied.

BGSU is an 8-3 team of a year ago with a ton of talent back this year. We should have had votes in the polls pre-season! NOTHING for weeks. Missouri was getting some votes for shellacking Illinois, the we beat them by 23, and neither of us gets votes! What a load of bull.

The simple truth is that despite our record, stats, and accomplishments we are not ranked simply because we are Bowling Green. If our name was Ohio State, we are ranked where we deserve to be - a top 15 program.

10MAN · 10-08-2002 03:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MillenniumFALCON:
If our name was Ohio State, we are ranked where we deserve to be - a top 15 program.<hr /></blockquote>You said all you needed to say right there.!! You're Bowling Green, not Ohio St!

REBstill · 10-08-2002 03:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DrTorch:
Bowling Green is by far the most underrated and ignored team. Read the columnists, Dienhart hasn't mentioned them, they're ignored by ESPN, and the most attention is by Peter King as he mocked Mizzou for losing to(well, getting crushed by) BG.

BG leads the nation in scoring w/ 50+ pts/game, and this team is playing w/ injuries to key starters. Josh Harris hasn't lost as a starter, see his name on any Heisman lists? I wouldn't trade him for 2 Eli's.<hr /></blockquote>That's good because Eli isn't up for a trade, either. I don't know anything about Josh Harris but we'll wait and see where everyone stands. . .after the dust clears and everything shakes out. I do know about Eli and if you could get two for one - you should take it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

RebelsFan · 10-08-2002 06:03 PM

PLEASE!
First, yes, we did beat Florida and the team deserves all of the credit that they have recieved! I still believe that we lose 3 out of 4, if not all of the remaining road games. So, I am just basking in the glow of a great upset, but I am not at all thinking that we will end up in Atlanta, unless Cutt changes his play calling. The 4 plays for one yard at the goalline is testament to that. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Didn't work against Florida, no way I can honestly seeing it work against the remaining teams on the road schedule, perhaps maybe Arkansas.
Secondly, BSU...............
Sure they may have the #1 offense in the nation. WHOOP-DE-DOO! If BSU played the same caliber teams as we do in the SEC, they wouldn't win a single SEC game, Vanderbilt ring a bell? Marshall already showed that the MAC isn't capable of playing with the bigger conferences, in front of a national tv audience, no less. BSU may be the top dog in the MAC, but come on, the smaller conferences just haven't been around as long and don't have the history and reputation that the bigger one's do. Plain and simple! So, how that can be construed as no respect is beyond me.

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 06:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 10MAN:
You said all you needed to say right there.!! You're Bowling Green, not Ohio St!<hr /></blockquote>But what does that have to do with what we have proven on the field???

from a Mizzou fan: <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Subject: "You should be in the Top Ten"

This isn't even in doubt. Your offense is three times as good as the Sooners'. I was unsure at the time whether Bowling Green was very good or we weren't quite as good as we thought we were but subsequent events have proved beyond any doubt that:-
i) Missouri could be a top 25 team behind Brad Smith (dominating win v Troy State and matching the Sooners blow for blow suggests that we will be a force in the Big 12 North)

ii) Bowling Green's win over MU was an accurate reflection of the difference between the two teams. Your offense is not, as some of your posters have suggested, better conditioned or stronger than MU's: it just executes a great deal better. Josh Harris is outstanding: the media have decieded that Leftwich is the mid-major QB they intend to tout but, having seen both, I would be far more afraid of Harris.

Conclusion? Bowling Green should be in the top ten. You have a tremendous college football team. In my opinion, you would beat Oklahoma. The only team in the Big 12 that could beat you might be Texas, as I'm not convinced by your secondary. However, I suspect that the Longhorns would have to score 30+ points to register a win.
Good luck the rest of the way: I would love to see Bowling Green in a BCS game for two reasons: firstly, I honestly think you deserve it and secondly, BCS strength of schedule considerations would mean that, for Bowling Green to end up in a BCS game, Missouri would have gone 8-4 or 9-3!!!

Go Tigers and go Falcons!

<hr /></blockquote>

[ October 08, 2002, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: MillenniumFALCON ]

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 07:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RebelsFan:
PLEASE!
Secondly, BSU...............
Sure they may have the #1 offense in the nation. WHOOP-DE-DOO! If BSU played the same caliber teams as we do in the SEC, they wouldn't win a single SEC game, Vanderbilt ring a bell? Marshall already showed that the MAC isn't capable of playing with the bigger conferences, in front of a national tv audience, no less. BSU may be the top dog in the MAC, but come on, the smaller conferences just haven't been around as long and don't have the history and reputation that the bigger one's do. Plain and simple! So, how that can be construed as no respect is beyond me.<hr /></blockquote>First of all - it is BGSU. Second, the MAC has a winning record against the SEC in bowl games, if memory serves. I know that Miami (the real one in Ohio) is 3-0 in bowls against the SEC beating Florida, SC and Georgia in the 70s.

Would BG win the SEC, probably not. Would they be in the top 2-3 in either division? HELL YES.

Look, BG doesn't have the national titles that Florida has (we only have one in football), but we have been playing D-IA ball for a looooong time and have a great history, even if you don't respect it. Bowl wins, top 20 rankings...and don't get me started on the supposed inferiority of the MAC.

Troy Brown, Randy Moss, Chad Pennington, top 2 draft pick Byron Leftwich...all from MAC schools. The MAC schools are legit. We may not have as much NFL talent, but we have some - this isn't I-AA. We have two punters starting in the NFL in Brad Maynard and Dave Zastudil, and there are more players I forget.

The MAC isn't the Big 10. The MAC islegitimate division IA ball. BG scored 45 ppg againt BCS level competition. Marshall lost to VT, but VT is the #4 team in the nation and I think Marshall isn't even the top team in the MAC East (Miami).

Don't think that the SEC on your shirts means you are a 'level above' the MAC. I don't mean to get pissy, but we had 2 teams in the top 25 last year, we produce heisman finalists, NFL players...everything you can ask of a conference. Please forget that we are "a MAC school." We are a damn good football team.

BTW - BG would acually improve our record against the SEC if we were in the SEC - remember that most teams are afraid to play us at home.

finally - i don't agree with sagarin right now...but FWIW:

35 Bowling Green A = 78.68 4 0 57.57( 141) 0 0 | 0 0 | 76.45 42 | 80.32 29
36 Arkansas A = 78.66 2 2 74.81( 18) 0 0 | 0 1 | 72.62 53 | 82.40 19
37 Texas A&M A = 78.64 3 2 72.84( 30) 0 1 | 0 2 | 75.97 45 | 78.99 36
38 Boston College A = 78.19 3 1 71.09( 53) 0 1 | 0 1 | 76.32 44 | 75.57 48
39 Marshall A = 77.75 3 1 70.46( 59) 0 1 | 0 1 | 76.96 37 | 76.58 43
40 Tennessee A = 77.72 4 1 62.30( 115) 0 0 | 0 1 | 70.52 65 | 77.78 40
41 Virginia A = 77.49 4 2 73.57( 23) 0 1 | 0 2 | 81.98 21 | 75.09 51
42 Mississippi A = 77.23 4 1 66.69( 89) 0 0 | 1 1 | 79.67 32 | 73.77 55

According to Sagarin - these are the teams we would be favored over if we played them at home:

21 LSU A = 81.34 4 1 67.57( 81) 0 1 | 0 1 | 80.24 26 | 81.41 20
22 Colorado St. A = 81.26 4 2 79.43( 2) 0 0 | 2 1 | 84.88 15 | 79.22 35
23 Auburn A = 81.21 4 1 67.86( 78) 0 1 | 0 1 | 76.44 43 | 84.15 11
24 Texas Tech A = 81.04 4 2 75.26( 15) 0 1 | 0 2 | 85.01 14 | 79.35 33
25 Alabama A = 80.88 4 2 72.94( 27) 0 2 | 0 2 | 79.76 29 | 80.44 27
26 Kentucky A = 80.71 4 1 67.05( 86) 0 0 | 1 1 | 81.02 25 | 79.94 30
27 Clemson A = 80.51 3 2 75.68( 13) 0 2 | 0 2 | 80.05 28 | 79.66 31
28 Colorado A = 80.46 3 2 78.09( 4) 0 1 | 2 2 | 82.21 20 | 79.28 34
29 Louisville A = 79.92 3 2 72.80( 31) 1 0 | 1 2 | 80.08 27 | 81.36 21
30 Wisconsin A = 79.89 5 1 70.69( 56) 0 0 | 0 1 | 82.30 19 | 77.83 39
31 Oregon St. A = 79.82 4 2 70.34( 61) 0 1 | 0 2 | 76.50 41 | 83.18 14
32 Nebraska A = 79.60 4 2 70.97( 55) 0 0 | 0 2 | 77.12 36 | 79.41 32
33 California A = 79.15 4 2 72.87( 29) 0 0 | 0 2 | 81.31 24 | 80.52 25
34 Georgia Tech A = 78.84 4 2 71.71( 42) 0 0 | 0 1 | 73.86 47 | 80.34 28

Caliber of the SEC...I think we are the caliber of the SEC. To say we wouldn't win a single SEC game is totally laughable.

[ October 08, 2002, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: MillenniumFALCON ]

rocketfootball · 10-08-2002 08:05 PM

The only point I want to make is that I must think underrated means something different than Ole Miss fans do.

Bowling Green and Mississippi's strength of schedule shouldn't matter to someone that watches the teams play and see what kind of recognition they get.

If BG and Ole Miss played I am pretty confident that the spread for the game would have BG a big underdog. The actual outcome would probably be much closer than the spread...and no I am not saying that BG would win. But, this to me says that BG is more underrated than Ole Miss. Take into consideration that BG is 4-0 and not ranked while I believe that Ole Miss is ranked in 1 of the polls and it makes a little more sense.

No one is saying that BG is better than Ole Miss. We are just saying that BG is more underrated because they get so much less recognition. Does that make sense to you guys?

JBRebel · 10-08-2002 08:23 PM

Bowling Green won a national title? Please, enlighten me. I want to learn at least one new thing every day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

I agree, Rocket, we're arguing semantics here. We're underappreciated, y'all are underappreciated and sure, I'll go along that y'all are more underappreciated than we are.

I think what we're arguing (or I am) is that we have more of a reason to be taken seriously than y'all do.

We beat blah blah who beat blah blah who beat blah blah is a pretty ludicrous argument.

We beat #6 BLAH, er FLA.

Y'all beat Mizzou. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Awfully impressive.

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 08:35 PM

BGSU's Football National Championship in 1954? was in the "small college" division under college hall of famer Doyt Perry, the namesake of our current stadium.

I don't know what that classification meant (I have been told it was like I-AA), but BGSU and the MAC went Division I soon after that.

[ October 08, 2002, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: MillenniumFALCON ]

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 08:36 PM

From Ohio head coach Brian Knorr:

"We've played Florida and Pittsburgh," said Knorr. "And Bowling Green is the best team we've faced."

win over Florida? YAWNNNN

Central Michigan (our opponent this weekend) coach:
"To me, it

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 08:46 PM

I think what we're arguing (or I am) is that we have more of a reason to be taken seriously than y'all do.

If we had a chance this year to play Florida at home...

***georgia_tech_swagger*** · 10-08-2002 08:56 PM

Fine, fine. You guys have beaten two ungodly powerhouse Big XII teams in Kansas and Missouri, who until y'all beat them I could've sworn that they were BCS bound. Plus, you destroyed that up-and-coming BCS contender Tennessee Tech. If you take care of the rest of those Giants in Akron, Kent St, and whoever else is in the MAC, y'all will get my vote for National Champions, ok? You are so right, I change my decision. I'm thinking BGSU should be ranked no. 6 right now. 4-0 in the MAC? What are these poll voters thinking?
A 12-0 from the, um what is y'alls mascot again, anyway. A 12-0 season from BGSU will surely place y'all in Tempe for a chance to play the Miami Hurricanes in the National Championship Game. And once y'all destroy them, you can hoist that crystal football high in the air and say, "We're number one, we're number one."

Go on with yo bad selves, BGSU. I really think you can do it!!!
We're not worthy, we're not worthy... <img border="0" alt="[Bow]" title="" src="graemlins/bow.gif" />

Alright, sorry for the sarcasm, but I think we get your point. Y'all are having a great year and are highly unrecognized for it. Good luck the rest of the way! I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for y'all the rest of the year. You've got my attention, but unfortunately, I'm not a voter.

rocketfootball · 10-08-2002 09:13 PM

You guys obviously don't get it. I am not saying that BG will win the national championship or should be #6 in the nation right now. How hard is it to understand that the most underrated team in the country does not have to be a powerhouse?

An example would be if we take a team like East Carolina and said that they were terrible because the lost to Duke. The media then ranked them as the worst in D I-A and said that several D III teams could beat them.

They sure as hell are not a good team, but that would probably be enough to make them the most underrated team.

Talking about the most underrated team in the country is how this whole thing got started. You guys obviously can't see that point!

What a waste of time this and the other threads have been!

MillenniumFALCON · 10-08-2002 09:19 PM

BGSU isn't going to Tempe, but neither is miss.

We are very close on the field. Believe it or not.

Thanks for hearing me out. If you only take one thing away from this, remember that the MAC is still I-A. We may not get a shot at the "championship" until there is a playoff, but we aren't far removed from the SEC, and we can't get a sniff from the media, even though we are close to equal on the field.

JBRebel · 10-08-2002 09:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MillenniumFALCON:
From Ohio head coach Brian Knorr:

"We've played Florida and Pittsburgh," said Knorr. "And Bowling Green is the best team we've faced."

win over Florida? YAWNNNN <hr /></blockquote>Opinions--everybody's got 'em.

I think just a little less of Knorr's than I do of yours, if it makes you feel any better.

They don't call the MAC a mid-major for nothing, ya know. . .I'll be sure to write in a vote for BGSU on my next ballot.

You happy now?

Seriously, come on. Be for real. MTSU had the most potent offensive force in the nation last year and the lowly 7-4 Rebels bent them over their knee and spanked them good (I think that was last year, anyway). Trent Dilfer was a great quarterback in a mid-major. We could sit around all night and play woulda shoulda coulda but none of that really means ****.

We've been DIV 1-A our entire existence. We have 3 DIV-1A trophies, 6 power conference titles and the son of one highly esteemed former Saint taking snaps.

The fact that you're even arguing this point proves you know little about college football.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, my son. Please, go do a bit of research on Ole Miss and let me know what you find out.

rocketfootball · 10-08-2002 09:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JBRebel:
We've been DIV 1-A our entire existence. We have 3 DIV-1A trophies, 6 power conference titles and the son of one highly esteemed former Saint taking snaps. <hr /></blockquote>Did you know that Ole Miss had a football team before Division I split into D I-A and D I-AA? I hope so. I know what you meant, but it seems to be funny stirring you guys up. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

Besides, MilleniumFalcon was not trying to say that Ole Miss does not have a good tradition of winning. He did say that Mississippi won't be playing for the national title this particular year and I think you will have to agree. You guys seem to get very defensive over here.

Threaded Mode \| Linear Mode Are we the Rodney Dangerfield of NCAA football?
Author	Message