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UAB4EVER Wrote:[ Most whites don't like JJ, Louis Farrachan, Al Sharpton or anyone who doesn't sit there and say thank you may I have another. So save the lectures for your little group of friends.

I think its safe to say most PEOPLE (Black AND White) don't like all those people you mentioned.(Well, outside your little group of friends).

Sorry you are so blinded.

KL

PS. A lot of PEOPLE (Black AND White) don't like some white folks either. (I realize this might be a foreign thought to many who only see/hear what they want to see/hear).

Oh...and the REAL topic of this thread...hope UTEP gets the #1 choice..and it looks (now) like Nolan.
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KnightLight Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:[ Most whites don't like JJ, Louis Farrachan, Al Sharpton or anyone who doesn't sit there and say thank you may I have another. So save the lectures for your little group of friends.

I think its safe to say most PEOPLE (Black AND White) don't like all those people you mentioned.(Well, outside your little group of friends).

No, it wouldn't be safe to say. If you are going to join the discussion then first read my post more carefully. Some blacks don't like those guys, especially the ones who are seeking approval from white America. The fact that some of us may disagree with their methodology doesn't mean we dislike their agenda of creating better opportunities for Black America and other minorities. My group of friends don't hide from reality.

Sorry you are so blinded.

I'm not blinded, I see clearly and that's the problem you have with me. I don't sugarcoat the truth and the truth is an ugly reflection of white America, not all but most. Therefore, you would want us to believe all that ugliness is behind us and the aforementioned men, won't let that happen because they are constantly stirring things up. You are the one I feel sorry for.

KL

Klan Linage?


PS. A lot of PEOPLE (Black AND White) don't like some white folks either. (I realize this might be a foreign thought to many who only see/hear what they want to see/hear).

You've described yourself perfectly. Seeing and hearing what you want and ignoring all else. A lot of people have just cause not to like some white folks as individuals and white people as a whole, again I say read your history.

Which whites? Slave owners such as:
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Robert E. Lee

or current racist like:

Bill O'Reilly
Pat Buchannon
TV show producers or movie producers

Please, do tell!

Oh...and the REAL topic of this thread...hope UTEP gets the #1 choice..and it looks (now) like Nolan.


I hope they do get Nolan and get back to their ROOTS since it was Black players who lead them to the promise land.
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UAB4EVER Wrote:
zyxwvutsru Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
uofmlimbo Wrote:Are you sure you want this guy? He's the Jesse Jackson of coaching.

Did he march with MLK?
Did he fight for civil rights?
Was he on the frontline fighting for justice for black people?
Does he not sit by and let others push him around?
Has he created better opportunities for tens of thousands of people?
Is he one of the most influential black men in America?
Does he not cater to white people?
Is he not afraid to stand up for what's right?
Does he challenge the establishment?
Does he call out institutional racism?

What? I don't get it!

He didn't lie, cheat and swindle his way around the law to pad his pockets with donations for his coalitions.
He doesn't pick and choose battles based on publicity and personal gain.

The comparison was flawed, but Double J isn't a saint.

Didn't say he was a saint but he has done far more good than some of the people we glorify. The statements that you made could apply to 3/4 of the CEOs of fortune 500 companies and they haven't help anyone but themselves. Everything that Bill O'Reilly writes isn't rue so save the 'No Spin Zone' cliff notes.

STFU!!! Jesse Jackson is nothing but a good snake oil salesman. He is garbage, I hate that motphuker!!! He uses his connection to MLK to further his pockets and those of his family. Don't drink too much kool aid dude!!! Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation. I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets. Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.
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Benjiminer Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
zyxwvutsru Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
uofmlimbo Wrote:Are you sure you want this guy? He's the Jesse Jackson of coaching.

Did he march with MLK?
Did he fight for civil rights?
Was he on the frontline fighting for justice for black people?
Does he not sit by and let others push him around?
Has he created better opportunities for tens of thousands of people?
Is he one of the most influential black men in America?
Does he not cater to white people?
Is he not afraid to stand up for what's right?
Does he challenge the establishment?
Does he call out institutional racism?

What? I don't get it!

He didn't lie, cheat and swindle his way around the law to pad his pockets with donations for his coalitions.
He doesn't pick and choose battles based on publicity and personal gain.

The comparison was flawed, but Double J isn't a saint.

Didn't say he was a saint but he has done far more good than some of the people we glorify. The statements that you made could apply to 3/4 of the CEOs of fortune 500 companies and they haven't help anyone but themselves. Everything that Bill O'Reilly writes isn't rue so save the 'No Spin Zone' cliff notes.

STFU!!! Jesse Jackson is nothing but a good snake oil salesman. He is garbage, I hate that motphuker!!! He uses his connection to MLK to further his pockets and those of his family. Don't drink too much kool aid dude!!! Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation. I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets. Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.

Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets

I thought you implied that you were an educated person but this statement here tells me you still have a long way to go. I have many hispanic friends and they don't seem to share your same views on this country at this moment. I was with them when they boycotted and marched here in Atlanta and I'm not an advocate but I do stand up for what I see as right.

I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!

Go share this little nugget with the men I see standing in parking lots waiting to be picked up to make few dollars to feed their families but I guess you say it's their problem. I say it's our problem as Americans. Yes, I'm proud to be an American because I believe this is the greatest country in the world but I'm not so deceived that I don't acknowledge the wrongs that have been done and the changes that need to be made. If everyone said don't worry about it then nothing would change. If you are Hispanic, educated, and doing well financially then reach out and help your people. Don't be blinded by the slight of hand that is masked as equallity.

Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation.

That doesn't make you immune from being racist or predjudice. I tend to think you may be high school or college student that hasn't educated himself but has relied solely on a system that teaches and not educate. Live a little and get back to me but don't forget what your people are going through right now and what you can do to help.

Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with

They chose to spend their lives fighting so that others may have a better life. Yes, they have done somethings that are not ethical and corrupt but it will not overshadow the good they have done. Personally, I don't like any of the men I mentioned but I do respect them highly because at a time when their lives were seriously on the line they marched on so that I don't have to put up with the same things my parents had to tolerate but I know there is still work to be done. I live a comfortable life but I know it wouldn't have been possible just a short time ago. Remember these men were around when they had to sit on the back of the bus, when dogs were turned on them, when innocent people were being killed and terrorized. Some of the people who did those things still live today and the kids they raised are still here today. So if you want to be lead by the people who don't give a damn about you, be my guest.

You don't have to use profanity to get a point across and definitely shouldn't tell me to stfu when you have know idea who you are talking to. Use that education you have a little better.
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I remember a year ago when NR was a hot topic in the Tulsa search. The administration finally decided his bagage wasn't worth the risk.

I will say that if UTEP hires this guy it will be an awesome homecoming to Tulsa. I might have to try and make it back for that one
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UAB4EVER: All I was attempting to get across was that JJ is not a saint. You may believe that he has aided countless of impovrished black americans in their goal to overcome the centuries old oppression from white people. I can respect that. You are entitled to your opinion and can voice it freely, thanks in part to MLK and others. However, insinuating that I recite the propoganda of a "racist" such as Bill O'Reilly, which I wasn't although he did nail JJ on the tax fraud, indicates that you are quick to act upon any perceived sleight of JJ's reputation and label someone as, at best, a follower of a "racist," therefore calling me a racist. I take umbridge at that, but will do the correct thing and offer an apology for upsetting your delicate sensiblities.
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UAB4EVER Wrote:
Benjiminer Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
zyxwvutsru Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
uofmlimbo Wrote:Are you sure you want this guy? He's the Jesse Jackson of coaching.

Did he march with MLK?
Did he fight for civil rights?
Was he on the frontline fighting for justice for black people?
Does he not sit by and let others push him around?
Has he created better opportunities for tens of thousands of people?
Is he one of the most influential black men in America?
Does he not cater to white people?
Is he not afraid to stand up for what's right?
Does he challenge the establishment?
Does he call out institutional racism?

What? I don't get it!

He didn't lie, cheat and swindle his way around the law to pad his pockets with donations for his coalitions.
He doesn't pick and choose battles based on publicity and personal gain.

The comparison was flawed, but Double J isn't a saint.

Didn't say he was a saint but he has done far more good than some of the people we glorify. The statements that you made could apply to 3/4 of the CEOs of fortune 500 companies and they haven't help anyone but themselves. Everything that Bill O'Reilly writes isn't rue so save the 'No Spin Zone' cliff notes.

STFU!!! Jesse Jackson is nothing but a good snake oil salesman. He is garbage, I hate that motphuker!!! He uses his connection to MLK to further his pockets and those of his family. Don't drink too much kool aid dude!!! Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation. I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets. Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.

Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets

I thought you implied that you were an educated person but this statement here tells me you still have a long way to go. I have many hispanic friends and they don't seem to share your same views on this country at this moment. I was with them when they boycotted and marched here in Atlanta and I'm not an advocate but I do stand up for what I see as right.

I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!

Go share this little nugget with the men I see standing in parking lots waiting to be picked up to make few dollars to feed their families but I guess you say it's their problem. I say it's our problem as Americans. Yes, I'm proud to be an American because I believe this is the greatest country in the world but I'm not so deceived that I don't acknowledge the wrongs that have been done and the changes that need to be made. If everyone said don't worry about it then nothing would change. If you are Hispanic, educated, and doing well financially then reach out and help your people. Don't be blinded by the slight of hand that is masked as equallity.

Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation.

That doesn't make you immune from being racist or predjudice. I tend to think you may be high school or college student that hasn't educated himself but has relied solely on a system that teaches and not educate. Live a little and get back to me but don't forget what your people are going through right now and what you can do to help.

Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with

They chose to spend their lives fighting so that others may have a better life. Yes, they have done somethings that are not ethical and corrupt but it will not overshadow the good they have done. Personally, I don't like any of the men I mentioned but I do respect them highly because at a time when their lives were seriously on the line they marched on so that I don't have to put up with the same things my parents had to tolerate but I know there is still work to be done. I live a comfortable life but I know it wouldn't have been possible just a short time ago. Remember these men were around when they had to sit on the back of the bus, when dogs were turned on them, when innocent people were being killed and terrorized. Some of the people who did those things still live today and the kids they raised are still here today. So if you want to be lead by the people who don't give a damn about you, be my guest.

You don't have to use profanity to get a point across and definitely shouldn't tell me to stfu when you have know idea who you are talking to. Use that education you have a little better.

You have yet to answer the question of Jesse's last "Real" job. Jesse Jackson is nothing but an opportunist, if you fail to see that then I can't help you. My parents came here legally, yet you seem to favor amnesty for all ILLIGAL immigrants. I am in favor of respecting the rule of law whether it has to do with immigration or civil rights. I know most of my black friends don't share your enthusiasm for Jesse, Al or Farrakan. The vast majority of Americans can see right trough them as smear merchants and dividers that use 60's style race and class warfare. I don't think you have realized this yet, but this is not the 1960's, sure there might be an idiot here and there that shows signs of being a racist. But you can't show any proof that there is systematic racism from the part of the state. As far as myself being in High School, well I wish it was the case but no I am in my mid 30s and have travelled a little bit accross the world including my ancestral country of Mexico where I have witnessed "Real" extreme poverty. We all believe in helping the down throtten and are quick to fight any injustices, we just have different approaches.
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Benjiminer Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
Benjiminer Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
zyxwvutsru Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:
uofmlimbo Wrote:Are you sure you want this guy? He's the Jesse Jackson of coaching.

Did he march with MLK?
Did he fight for civil rights?
Was he on the frontline fighting for justice for black people?
Does he not sit by and let others push him around?
Has he created better opportunities for tens of thousands of people?
Is he one of the most influential black men in America?
Does he not cater to white people?
Is he not afraid to stand up for what's right?
Does he challenge the establishment?
Does he call out institutional racism?

What? I don't get it!

He didn't lie, cheat and swindle his way around the law to pad his pockets with donations for his coalitions.
He doesn't pick and choose battles based on publicity and personal gain.

The comparison was flawed, but Double J isn't a saint.

Didn't say he was a saint but he has done far more good than some of the people we glorify. The statements that you made could apply to 3/4 of the CEOs of fortune 500 companies and they haven't help anyone but themselves. Everything that Bill O'Reilly writes isn't rue so save the 'No Spin Zone' cliff notes.

STFU!!! Jesse Jackson is nothing but a good snake oil salesman. He is garbage, I hate that motphuker!!! He uses his connection to MLK to further his pockets and those of his family. Don't drink too much kool aid dude!!! Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation. I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets. Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.

Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

all the other "civil rights advocates" only care to enrich their pockets

I thought you implied that you were an educated person but this statement here tells me you still have a long way to go. I have many hispanic friends and they don't seem to share your same views on this country at this moment. I was with them when they boycotted and marched here in Atlanta and I'm not an advocate but I do stand up for what I see as right.

I know first hand what poverty is and what hard work and education can do for anyone in this great country!!

Go share this little nugget with the men I see standing in parking lots waiting to be picked up to make few dollars to feed their families but I guess you say it's their problem. I say it's our problem as Americans. Yes, I'm proud to be an American because I believe this is the greatest country in the world but I'm not so deceived that I don't acknowledge the wrongs that have been done and the changes that need to be made. If everyone said don't worry about it then nothing would change. If you are Hispanic, educated, and doing well financially then reach out and help your people. Don't be blinded by the slight of hand that is masked as equallity.

Before you start calling me a racist, you must know that I am Hispanic second generation.

That doesn't make you immune from being racist or predjudice. I tend to think you may be high school or college student that hasn't educated himself but has relied solely on a system that teaches and not educate. Live a little and get back to me but don't forget what your people are going through right now and what you can do to help.

Ask yourself this question, has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with

They chose to spend their lives fighting so that others may have a better life. Yes, they have done somethings that are not ethical and corrupt but it will not overshadow the good they have done. Personally, I don't like any of the men I mentioned but I do respect them highly because at a time when their lives were seriously on the line they marched on so that I don't have to put up with the same things my parents had to tolerate but I know there is still work to be done. I live a comfortable life but I know it wouldn't have been possible just a short time ago. Remember these men were around when they had to sit on the back of the bus, when dogs were turned on them, when innocent people were being killed and terrorized. Some of the people who did those things still live today and the kids they raised are still here today. So if you want to be lead by the people who don't give a damn about you, be my guest.

You don't have to use profanity to get a point across and definitely shouldn't tell me to stfu when you have know idea who you are talking to. Use that education you have a little better.

You have yet to answer the question of Jesse's last "Real" job. Jesse Jackson is nothing but an opportunist, if you fail to see that then I can't help you. My parents came here legally, yet you seem to favor amnesty for all ILLIGAL immigrants. I am in favor of respecting the rule of law whether it has to do with immigration or civil rights. I know most of my black friends don't share your enthusiasm for Jesse, Al or Farrakan. The vast majority of Americans can see right trough them as smear merchants and dividers that use 60's style race and class warfare. I don't think you have realized this yet, but this is not the 1960's, sure there might be an idiot here and there that shows signs of being a racist. But you can't show any proof that there is systematic racism from the part of the state. As far as myself being in High School, well I wish it was the case but no I am in my mid 30s and have travelled a little bit accross the world including my ancestral country of Mexico where I have witnessed "Real" extreme poverty. We all believe in helping the down throtten and are quick to fight any injustices, we just have different approaches.

Please read slowly. I answered your question. I do believe people should enter this country legally and be documented but I also know that at one point this country was full of immigrants who stole land and granted themselves amnesty.

They chose to spend their lives fighting so that others may have a better life. Yes, they have done somethings that are not ethical and corrupt but it will not overshadow the good they have done. Personally, I don't like any of the men I mentioned but I do respect them highly because at a time when their lives were seriously on the line they marched on so that I don't have to put up with the same things my parents had to tolerate but I know there is still work to be done.
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UAB4EVER Wrote:Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

You make a racist assumption when you assume that Hispanics "crossed over" illegally. My hispanic ancestors were here when the King of Spain was in charge, and without ever moving from their land were Spanish, Mexican, Texan, American, Confederate and American again. Our land was north of the Rio Grande, FWIW. My German and English ancestors "crossed over" the same way my Spanish ancestors did - in big ships crossing the Atlantic. Just much later.

When you start talking racism, I can only refer you to the Bible - take care of the beam in your own eye before treating the mote in your neighbor's eye.

And my opinion of JJ matches his, BTW. JJ is out for himself. Look at his behavior in the Duke case. he comes in and makes some speeches, gives the accuser a scholarship, then fades away as the truth comes out. A real man who is interested in justice would have looked at the facts, not the races of the people involved. he does not have my respect.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:
UAB4EVER Wrote:Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

You make a racist assumption when you assume that Hispanics "crossed over" illegally. My hispanic ancestors were here when the King of Spain was in charge, and without ever moving from their land were Spanish, Mexican, Texan, American, Confederate and American again. Our land was north of the Rio Grande, FWIW. My German and English ancestors "crossed over" the same way my Spanish ancestors did - in big ships crossing the Atlantic. Just much later.

When you start talking racism, I can only refer you to the Bible - take care of the beam in your own eye before treating the mote in your neighbor's eye.

And my opinion of JJ matches his, BTW. JJ is out for himself. Look at his behavior in the Duke case. he comes in and makes some speeches, gives the accuser a scholarship, then fades away as the truth comes out. A real man who is interested in justice would have looked at the facts, not the races of the people involved. he does not have my respect.

All of your concerns have been covered read with a little more discernment and don't just focus on the things you disagree with. I have agreed to some extent with everyone who has responded to me but you guys just read a sentence and respond. Try to understand and then seek to be understood.
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[/quote]...has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.[/quote]

Hey Duffus, who says only "real jobs" are corporate jobs? The only thing that statement "tells" us is that you are probably a Bushie Fascist.

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...has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.[/quote]

Hey Duffus, who says only "real jobs" are corporate jobs? The only thing that statement "tells" us is that you are probably a Bushie Fascist.

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Great another racist pointing the finger at someone else.

Stick to sports and post the rest of this rubbish somewhere else.
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uofmlimbo Wrote:Are you sure you want this guy? He's the Jesse Jackson of coaching.

No, he isn't.

When it comes to talking about and coaching basketball, Nolan Richardson is still relevant.
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...has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.[/quote]

Hey Duffus, who says only "real jobs" are corporate jobs? The only thing that statement "tells" us is that you are probably a Bushie Fascist.

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Hey NumNuts, with that response it tells me that you're part of the Lunatic Left and possibly a communist pig.
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Benjiminer Wrote:
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...has Jesse and Al ever held a real job?? not a government job a real corporate job? that should tell you something about the kind of people we are dealing with.

Hey Duffus, who says only "real jobs" are corporate jobs? The only thing that statement "tells" us is that you are probably a Bushie Fascist.

Sieg Heil!

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Hey NumNuts, with that response it tells me that you're part of the Lunatic Left and possibly a communist pig.[/quote]

1) Nothing wrong with being a member of the Left, and he's right in his assessment.

2) Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto or anything else by Marx or Engels? Don't listen to the propaganda and other nonsense about Socialism and Communism until you read what its modern founders intended it to be.
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Sophandros Wrote:2) Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto or anything else by Marx or Engels? Don't listen to the propaganda and other nonsense about Socialism and Communism until you read what its modern founders intended it to be.

Even my Blue Dog Dem friends know how WACKED Socialism and Communism are in this world.

Only a good socialist or communist can just say "Socialism and Communism really works. We just haven't really tried it yet in the USA correctly."

Stick to talking about the Saints.

You are obviously clueless about world affairs and the benefits of freedom and capitalism. (Hint, we do it RIGHT...and that's why Muslim-facists want to KILL US!)

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KnightLight Wrote:
Sophandros Wrote:2) Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto or anything else by Marx or Engels? Don't listen to the propaganda and other nonsense about Socialism and Communism until you read what its modern founders intended it to be.

Even my Blue Dog Dem friends know how WACKED Socialism and Communism are in this world.

Only a good socialist or communist can just say "Socialism and Communism really works. We just haven't really tried it yet in the USA correctly."

Stick to talking about the Saints.

You are obviously clueless about world affairs and the benefits of freedom and capitalism. (Hint, we do it RIGHT...and that's why Muslim-facists want to KILL US!)

KL

Capitalism has many flaws, as does any system. But answer the question: have your read ANY Marx? There are certain aspects of his and Engels philosophy that can be applied to current situations in a positive manner.

I just find it very interesting that people like to talk about things as if they know about them when they've never studied them or even read them. The most glaring example of this is debates concerning evolultion, particularly natural selection.

Anyway, Capitalism is NOT the reason that the terrorists want to kill us. Israel and our involvement with them is the primary reason.
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wow I guess this thread doesn't pertain to what the title is, ahh a lil over 2 weeks til kick off and maybe we will all relax...
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UAB4EVER Wrote:Good for you, being a second generation hispanic and all, thank God your family crossed over before the new immigration laws kick in. You should be advocating for them rather than drinking the kool aid that you speak of.

You make a racist assumption when you assume that Hispanics "crossed over" illegally. My hispanic ancestors were here when the King of Spain was in charge, and without ever moving from their land were Spanish, Mexican, Texan, American, Confederate and American again. Our land was north of the Rio Grande, FWIW. My German and English ancestors "crossed over" the same way my Spanish ancestors did - in big ships crossing the Atlantic. Just much later.

When you start talking racism, I can only refer you to the Bible - take care of the beam in your own eye before treating the mote in your neighbor's eye.

And my opinion of JJ matches his, BTW. JJ is out for himself. Look at his behavior in the Duke case. he comes in and makes some speeches, gives the accuser a scholarship, then fades away as the truth comes out. A real man who is interested in justice would have looked at the facts, not the races of the people involved. he does not have my respect.

All of your concerns have been covered read with a little more discernment and don't just focus on the things you disagree with. I have agreed to some extent with everyone who has responded to me but you guys just read a sentence and respond. Try to understand and then seek to be understood.


Got to give you a "10" for being condescending.

Here is a column from today's paper on the subject of JJ and the other victim's leaders:

Prophet without honor
By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Washington Post Writers Group
SAN DIEGO - A few years ago, my friend Juan Williams told me that he thought we had something in common -- namely, how those who represent our communities, or claim to represent them, view us with suspicion and resentment.

In interviews with Hispanic members of Congress, the NPR senior correspondent and Fox News commentator said he had detected that some of them were uneasy about me and much of what I write.

"They don't trust you," he said. "They never know what you're going to do. And they know you won't always agree with them and, when they're wrong, you're going to say so."

Juan said it reminded him of how the members of the Congressional Black Caucus felt about him.

Now many black members of Congress -- along with local and state officials, academics, the civil rights establishment, etc. -- will trust him even less. That's because my friend has written a provocative and immensely important book that challenges a lot of what they're selling to the masses.

Titled Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America -- And What We Can Do About It, the book is a good read. But it's also a good deed. And you can bet it won't go unpunished.

You see, it ain't easy being Juan Williams. As a panelist on Fox News Sunday, my friend comes across as a common-sense liberal dueling with conservatives who spend all their time in a right-wing bubble. But put him around those individuals whom we in the media generously refer to as "black leaders," and suddenly Juan is a common-sense conservative dueling with liberals who are trapped in a left-wing bubble.

As you can guess from the title of his book, Williams has had a bellyful of African-Americans acting as their own worst enemy. He's tired of black people not having good leadership and instead settling for professional grievance brokers -- the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Rev. Al Sharpton et al. -- who "misinform, mismanage and miseducate [the black community] by refusing to articulate established truths about what it takes to get ahead: strong families, education and hard work" and who do all this for their own financial and political benefit because keeping people weak is a way to keep them dependent on their "leaders."

Can I get an amen?

Convinced that many of the problems that black people face today can be solved by black people, Williams doesn't think the answer is to embrace victimhood, blame all your troubles on racism and wait for white America to bail out black America in what he calls the "blacks-as-beggars" approach.

And he's particularly incensed that you don't have more black leaders getting in the faces of black youth and telling them that -- in order to be a success -- you have to stay in school, study hard, speak proper English, stay away from crack and stop defining what it means to be authentically black as someone who is acting like a thug and "dressing like a convict."

Can I get another amen?

This should sound familiar. Williams draws much of his inspiration from the now-infamous speech delivered by comedian Bill Cosby on May 17, 2004, to a few thousand members of the black elite who gathered in Washington to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Supreme Court's decision in Brown vs. Board of Education.

Instead of basking in how far African-Americans have come in the last half-century, Cosby lobbed grenades. He talked about dropout rates, out-of-wedlock births, drug abuse, high rates of incarceration and other forms of self-defeating behavior that plague the black community, and how no one seemed to be doing anything about it. Cosby was criticized -- not because what he said wasn't true but because he aired dirty laundry and said publicly things that many African-Americans talk about only behind closed doors.

Now Juan Williams has done the same thing. And besides diagnosing the illness, he's offered a prescription.

"It's so simple," he told me. "It's all about education. You've got to say to young people who are thinking of dropping out of school: 'Don't do it. It's a death sentence.' After you graduate, take any job you can find and work hard. You can move up from there."

It's a solid message, not just for African-Americans but for all Americans. And the black community owes the messenger a debt of gratitude for having the courage to spread it.


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Ruben Navarrette Jr. writes for the Washington Post Writers Group. He is a columnist at the San Diego Union-Tribune.ruben.navarrette@uniontrib.com
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The article you posted about Juan Williams was not anything new to me. I believe in all the things he said with the exception of his simplistic approach. The problem is more complex than he makes it out to be and therefore his solution fails to meet the needs of the community. Just like Bill Cosby, he fails to hold accountable the people most responsible for the predicument in the first place.

In order for the situation to be overcome there has to be real:
- Social Change -open & honest discussions
- Polictical change -Policies to assist the poor in bettering themselves
- Personal Responsibility -Take charge of your own life
- Equal Access to education -Tuition is going up and federal aid is being cut
better schools in urban communities with better teachers and access to the latest technology
- Increase minimum wages for larger corporations such as Wal-Mart

I could go on and on. It took more 40 years to create the problem and it definitely will take longer to overcome it. You guys think that the civil rights movement happened 100's of years ago. But it was only in 1965 when we began to see true government intervention, especially in the south. That was 100 years after the Emancipation Proclaimation Act of 1865. If it took 100 years between those to events, what makes you think we as a country can get over such things in less than half that time.

I also saw the interview Mr. Williams did with Michael Eric Dyson, a Professor of Sociology at Penn University, and Mr. Dyson challenged him to broaden the scope of his thinking. He has also asked Mr. Cosby to engage in a productive dialog and so far Mr. Cosby has declined because he certainly knows he can't match intellect with someone like Mr. Dyson when it comes to this issue. Because neither Cosby nor Williams is an expert on the topic but Mr. Dyson is. So thanks for trying to enlighten me but my depth of knowledge on this subject goes much deeper than an article written by a journalist about a jounalist who has suddenly assumed that they can speak for a people while working for the man.

If you truly would like to enlighten yourself, a little here are three good books to read.

1. Is Bill Cosby Right or has the middle class lost their minds by Michael Eric Dyson
2. Make me want to holler: life as a black man in America by Nathan McCall (been a while since I read it but I believe he is the author)
3. Up from slavery by Booker T. Washington

Easy reads and it gives you different perspectives on the subject of Black plight in America and they all are very informative.
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