Quote:12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

WHY THE HELL IS THIS POST SPLIT!!!!!! SERIOUSLY !!!! THAT'S MY OPINION, I AGREED WITH CAL AND GAVE REASONS WHY , LIKE LESS MISS CLASS TIME. SPLIT THE CRAP FROM THESE OTHERS CLOWNS.

StillJonesing Wrote:

Proud El Pasoan Wrote:"Maybe 12 league games," Calipari answered. "Play everybody once, and have one mirror game, then you can build whatever kind of schedule you want.

"Why couldn't we do that?"

12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

Why, so you can get killed by more OOC teams? Maybe play a home and away series with Garner-Webb that likes to destroy you?

Why don't you get your sorry @ss team out of the C-USA if you don't want to play....Whoops, I forgot! Having trouble finding a home.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

Proud El Pasoan Wrote:"Maybe 12 league games," Calipari answered. "Play everybody once, and have one mirror game, then you can build whatever kind of schedule you want.

"Why couldn't we do that?"

12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

Why, so you can get killed by more OOC teams? Maybe play a home and away series with Garner-Webb that likes to destroy you?

Why don't you get your sorry @ss team out of the C-USA if you don't want to play....Whoops, I forgot! Having trouble finding a home.

Well we all have different opinions your just an ass about it. I just tend to agree with Calipari. I like more freedom in OOC scheduling after seeing what Terry Holland can do.

StillJonesing Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

Proud El Pasoan Wrote:"Maybe 12 league games," Calipari answered. "Play everybody once, and have one mirror game, then you can build whatever kind of schedule you want.

"Why couldn't we do that?"

12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

Why, so you can get killed by more OOC teams? Maybe play a home and away series with Garner-Webb that likes to destroy you?

Why don't you get your sorry @ss team out of the C-USA if you don't want to play....Whoops, I forgot! Having trouble finding a home.

Well we all have different opinions, I tend to agree with Calipari. I like more freedom in OOC scheduling after seeing what Terry Holland can do.

Well, Calipri is doing what is best for the league. 16 games still leaves plenty of OOC games and even a few cupcakes.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

Proud El Pasoan Wrote:"Maybe 12 league games," Calipari answered. "Play everybody once, and have one mirror game, then you can build whatever kind of schedule you want.

"Why couldn't we do that?"

12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

Why, so you can get killed by more OOC teams? Maybe play a home and away series with Garner-Webb that likes to destroy you?

Why don't you get your sorry @ss team out of the C-USA if you don't want to play....Whoops, I forgot! Having trouble finding a home.

Well we all have different opinions, I tend to agree with Calipari. I like more freedom in OOC scheduling after seeing what Terry Holland can do.

Well, Calipri is doing what is best for the league. 16 games still leaves plenty of OOC games and even a few cupcakes.

I would just rather play solid teams home and homes a bus ride away like Davidson, VCU, UNCW, ODU, Charlotte than fly our guys out to Texas mid week 4 or 5 times a season.

Sorry ECU fans' but your coach has shown nothing. I can honestly say that I saw no improvement in your team. I have not been impress with terry holland either. I sorry I dont feel the same way you do, but until I see major improvenment from bb and fb, I would say that so far , you have overrated him. talk is cheap. winner proves he is a winner.

gdayre Wrote:Sorry ECU fans' but your coach has shown nothing. I can honestly say that I saw no improvement in your team. I have not been impress with terry holland either. I sorry I dont feel the same way you do, but until I see major improvenment from bb and fb, I would say that so far , you have overrated him. talk is cheap. winner proves he is a winner.

Exactly how I feel. ECU doesn't need to worry about minor details of scheduling. Just get to .500 before you talk about leaving the conference or having to play us "lower" teams.

gdayre Wrote:Sorry ECU fans' but your coach has shown nothing. I can honestly say that I saw no improvement in your team. I have not been impress with terry holland either. I sorry I dont feel the same way you do, but until I see major improvenment from bb and fb, I would say that so far , you have overrated him. talk is cheap. winner proves he is a winner.

That's stupid. Holland has been here about ONE and a half years, what the hell do you expect? Football is clearly back on the up and up. He hired a great staff with successful head coaching experience. He put together a dream OOC for pirate fans with home and homes across the board, he got an ACC team in to Greenville in hoops, he added a 100,000 watt FM station to our pirate network, he has the ball rolling on stadium expansion. We built new practice facilities. I think he clearly has been a success thus far and is a proven Athletic administrator at Virginia and Davidson. The man sits on the US national basketball commitee and has chaired the selection commitee.

Read this if you have doubt about him....

http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2004/1...terry.html


Specifically as far as last year's basketball it was a throw in the trash year. We had 4 players leave the team last spring once the new coach was announced. Our leading scorer transferred to Pitt, a big man transferred and is now at Xavier, a guard transfered and is now at UTEP, and a big man asked for his release from his LOI and went to Marquette last year. Those are 4 that would have helped and you can't blame this staff for that. On top of two starters lost in the first 7 games of the season. This was out of the basketball coaches hands.. He couldn't replace those players in the spring, and they couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken crap, but they cleanded house and we have a great recruiting class coming in and this staff has had success in the past.

ECU Basketball Staff

D1 Head Coaching experience 355-246 in 20 total season..15 winning seasons?..eight, 20 win seasons?.8 regular season titles.....5 NCAA tourneys.2 NITs.. One Sweet 16 appearance (with a #14 seed) .. Coaching at Chattanooga, VCU, and Virginia Tech, in the Big East, A-10, CAA, and SoCo

Marquee Wins include:.... UConn, Illinois, Louisville, , Michigan, Virginia, Villanova, St. John?s, Providence, Texas A&M, Pitt, West Virginia, Boston College, Miami, Auburn, Colorado, Ole Miss, , Memphis, Alabama, Georgia, Charlotte, some of these several times etc...

What has he done for the conference? That's cool about the radio deals, until the coaches start winning and I mean winning better than 500 I would not get on this board and brag about nothing. The only thing that considers me is what have you done lately? When is the last time you had an appearance in the NIT or NCAA tournament? What is your highest ranking in CUSA? Now your fb program hasnt been to a bowl in years. Until Skip proves something, he is still unknown. Dont give me that crap about him being great either, I dont care nor impress who his father is either. His father is not the coach, he is and if I am correct, didnt he get can by his father while he was at South Carolina? If I'm correct, before the season was over. That is what is important to me and most people on this board. It is important for his coaches to win. No body cares about you or I did fifteen years ago either. It is only about the last 4 years that I care about and that's all.

Quote:What has he done for the conference? That's cool about the radio deals, until the coaches start winning and I mean winning better than 500 I would not get on this board and brag about nothing. The only thing that considers me is what have you done lately? When is the last time you had an appearance in the NIT or NCAA tournament?What is your highest ranking in CUSA?

We haven't been in the post season, but we also haven't exactly been a push over either for much of the last 4 years. A few nice wins in here including some OOC games for the conference.

#1 Marquette..top 10 Dwayne Wade lead eventual final four (2003)
#2 Marquette..top 10 Dwayne Wade Lead tourney team (2002)
#3 Lousiville...Pitino Lead 18 win NIT team (2002)
#4 UAB....2nd round tourny team (2005)
#5 Charlotte top 25 tourny team (2005)
#6 Houston NIT team (2002)
#7 Rutgers NIT team Big East team (2002)
#8 Oregon State 4th place PAC 10 team (2005)
#9 Virginia Tech (winning record overall big East team) (2004)
#10a Northwestern (winning record overall Big 10 team) (2002)
#10b UNCW top 30 RPI CAA tourney and regular champ (2006)

Quote:Now your fb program hasnt been to a bowl in years. Until Skip proves something, he is still unknown. Dont give me that crap about him being great either, I dont care nor impress who his father is either. His father is not the coach, he is and if I am correct, didnt he get can by his father while he was at South Carolina? If I'm correct, before the season was over. That is what is important to me and most people on this board.

Had we played a D1aa like half of the CUSA bowl teams used for bowl eligiblity we would have been in a bowl two. Nahh we play BCS teams and actually got one of the conferences two BCS wins last year.

As far as Holtz he has proven he can be a successful coach IMO.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coa...achid=1104

He laid the foundation at UConn to where they are now. He led his last UConn team to its first Playoff appearance ever the most wins in school history and was #7 in the final D1aa rankings, and he left to take a job to be near his mother recovering from cancer and help his old man. Good grief give him another year. O'leary went 0-11 in year one and he is a modern day saint around here now.

Quote:It is important for his coaches to win. No body cares about you or I did fifteen years ago either. It is only about the last 4 years that I care about and that's all.

How about 5 or 6 years ago??? We were in the top 25 beating top 10 and 20 teams and 3 or 4 BCS teams a year for this conference, and getting votes in the polls, does that count?? Not exactly 15 years ago. More importantly how about this year were CFN/Fox Sports, Atlon and others think we will be a contender and think we have chances to win our OOC games. Against Navy, UVA, WV, and NCSU.

What part of the last 4 years are you ECU fans not understanding? The bcs is based on 4 yr time line. Now anything beyond that is nothing to us or anyone else. Now no gives a crap what you did 5 or 10 or 15 years ago. I also notice that all your bb victories are against former cusa schools at which time were in conference so in reality they were not ooc games. I like most people will give your ad a chance to prove that his hire are going to turn your programs around. Dont brag about him being great until his coaches start winning and having .500 or better records. I also noticed that you said nothing about his own dad firing his butt at S. Carolina either. Skip has to prove that he can win D-1A football. No one here cares who his father is neither. Skip is the head coach and not his father. Dont get me wrong either, I hope Skip can help your fb team back to winning ways, that helps the conference. Until his coaches win, and turn your programs around into winner, then there is nothing to brag about him being such a great AD. Radio and tv are part of his job, but his #1 concern is to get coaches who can turm your programs to winners. Now for predictions, that's all it is, and the game still must be played. I hope you have much success in your ooc games this year, this is an example of what Holland needs to validate your point. That also goes for stokes.

Quote:I also notice that all your bb victories are against former cusa schools at which time were in conference so in reality they were not ooc games.

I only listed what I considered the best wins, we also beat other respectable teams like (Ol'Miss 2003 ) Pepperdine(2005) Virginia Tech (2003, another time) Old Dominion (2003) Toledo (2005) in the last 4 years and

In the last 4 years we are 28-18 in the OOC in basketball.

Quote:I like most people will give your ad a chance to prove that his hire are going to turn your programs around. Dont brag about him being great until his coaches start winning and having .500 or better records.

No you haven't given the man a chance or any of our coaches. 2nd Terry Holland already goes down in histroy as a great coach and athletic administrator regardless of what he does at ECU.

http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2004/1...terry.html

Quote:I also noticed that you said nothing about his own dad firing his butt at S. Carolina either.

Over blown story first off. His roll was changed from OC to Associate Head Coach yes, fired no. It is pretty clear he and his father differed on offensive philosophy later in his career. The old man was stuck in time and wanted to call the shots and run the Tony Rice offense from 1987. Regardless, Skip has had successful spread offenses and called the plays here last season and at UConn when he had full control.

This from his bio


Under his command, the 2005 Pirates featured the school's fourth-best passing attack in history by averaging 256.0 yards per game. Furthermore, Holtz tutored junior quarterback James Pinkney to a 2,773-yard season, which stands second all-time and ahead of numbers put up by former ECU standouts and current NFL notables Jeff Blake and David Garrard.

At South Carolina Holtz was recognized as one of the winners of the Assistant Coach-of-the-Year Award by the All-American Football Foundation.

Holtz has been credited for developing high-powered and prolific offenses throughout his coaching career. During his last season at UConn, he led the Huskies to a school-record 10 victories and an appearance in the quarterfinal round of the NCAA Division I-AA playoffs. His team ranked 11th nationally in scoring offense, averaging nearly 36 points per game.

During his five-year tenure as head coach at Connecticut, Holtz guided the Huskies' program to national top 25 rankings the last four seasons and unprecedented success in the school's 100-year football history which provided a firm foundation for the school's eventual move to the I-A level in 2002.

Holtz's stay at South Carolina marked the second time in his career that he had worked under his father on an offensive staff. He combined forces with his father at Notre Dame for four years, in fact, serving the Fighting Irish's offensive coordinator during the 1992 and 1993 seasons.

During those seasons, he was in charge of one of the country's most potent offensive attacks - a period in which the Irish compiled a 21-2-1 record. The 1992 Notre Dame offense ranked third nationally in total offense, averaging better than 470 yards per game. The 1993 Irish offense, despite the loss of All-America running backs Jerome Bettis and Reggie Brooks, ended the season ranked No. 9 in scoring offense (36.6 points per game). During Holtz's two seasons as offensive coordinator at Notre Dame, the Irish offense averaged nearly 37 points per game.

Quote:Skip has to prove that he can win D-1A football.

After inheriting a program which had posted just three wins in its last 25 games over the previous two-plus seasons, Holtz quickly instilled a sense a pride, commitment and character into a Pirate team which came just one play away from making its first bowl appearance since 2001.

Are you serious?? He was given a grade of A- by ESPN, cnnsi or some sports site for the job he did this year, and Scout.com, Athlon, and CFN ranked his first real recruiting class #1 in CUSA.

Just a few current CUSA coaches in there first season......

Skip Holtz
2005 5-6....previous season 2-9

Jeff Bower
1991 4-7...previous season 8-3

George O'Leary
2004 0-11...previous season 3-9

Tommy West
2001 5-6....previous season 4-7

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Confe...uiting.htm

Quote:No one here cares who his father is neither. Skip is the head coach and not his father. Dont get me wrong either, I hope Skip can help your fb team back to winning ways, that helps the conference. Until his coaches win, and turn your programs around into winner, then there is nothing to brag about him being such a great AD. Radio and tv are part of his job, but his #1 concern is to get coaches who can turm your programs to winners. Now for predictions, that's all it is, and the game still must be played. I hope you have much success in your ooc games this year, this is an example of what Holland needs to validate your point. That also goes for stokes

yada yada yada

sorry, but he did get fired by his father. I remember that story from yrs ago. I dont care what article claims anything. He needs to prove what he can do in CUSA. Yes I am giving Holland the benefit, I am not the one crowing on this and that and he has prove nothing on the field or court. I am glad that you got back all the radio, but has nothing to do what goes on the field or court. You should have waited on you to have a winning season before getting on this board and proclaim that he is the best. BB, you have never been even close to .500 all long as you have been in this league. It was even more then than it is now and still no .500. Stokes is not the best fit for you. Holland needs to hire a coach based on his record not his friendship. Dont get me wrong, I do hope that you have success. The more success you have will prove he is worthy of your praise, and also that proves good for the conference. Until ECU proves it on the field and court, Holland has proved nothing to anyone in this conference but you.

Quote:sorry, but he did get fired by his father. I remember that story from yrs ago. I dont care what article claims anything. He needs to prove what he can do in CUSA.

About the so called demotion, first off if that was the case SO what. If that is your biggest knock then it's pretty weak considering the rest of his resume. Although there was more to the situation...this from an article....

?You?d have to understand Lou to understand that move,? said a close associate of Skip Holtz. ?Lou wanted to appear to have more control of the offense last year and so he made a statement to the team that we was assuming the offensive coordinator role. In reality, it was still Skip who called the plays and did the day to day duties of the coordinator role.?

The fact is Holtz hired a great staff, even stealing the DC away from a Big 10 school and engineered a 3 game improvement and almost made a bowl, finishing 6th in CUSA last season. He was a successful D1aa head coach before and a successful OC at Notre Dame.

Quote:Yes I am giving Holland the benefit, I am not the one crowing on this and that and he has prove nothing on the field or court.

The coaches have had one year, at least give them a 2nd. Good Grief.

Quote:I am glad that you got back all the radio,

Back on the radio?? we had 28 stations across NC, SC, and VA last season, we just added back a 100,000 watt flagship something we used to have in the late 90's, and yes it was an accomplishment for Holland.

Quote:You should have waited on you to have a winning season before getting on this board and proclaim that he is the best. BB, you have never been even close to .500 all long as you have been in this league.

We have been in the league 5 whole years, and the league was a power league for 4 of them. That's relative, many so called good mid major programs moving up like we did would have had trouble as well.

Quote:It was even more then than it is now and still no .500. Stokes is not the best fit for you. Holland needs to hire a coach based on his record not his friendship.

Funny you missed the fact Holland also hired McCarthy on the same day as Stokes as a combo package, and together they have

20 years of D1 Head Coaching experience 355-246 in 20 total season..15 winning
seasons..eight, 20 win seasons.8 regular season titles.....5 NCAA
tourneys.2 NITs.. One Sweet 16 appearance (with a #14 seed) ..
Coaching at Chattanooga, VCU, and Virginia Tech, in the Big East,
A-10, CAA, and SoCo

Marquee Wins include:.... UConn, Illinois, Louisville, , Michigan,
Virginia, Villanova, St. John?s, Providence, Texas A&M, Pitt, West
Virginia, Boston College, Miami, Auburn, Colorado, Ole Miss, ,
Memphis, Alabama, Georgia, Charlotte, some of these several times etc...

Quote:Dont get me wrong, I do hope that you have success. The more success you have will prove he is worthy of your praise, and also that proves good for the conference. Until ECU proves it on the field and court, Holland has proved nothing to anyone in this conference but you

What ever I didn't say anything untile you guys bad mouthed them. Again our new leadership has had one year!! what the hell do you expect. How did O'Leary and Bower and others do in year one?? GEZZ

StillJonesing Wrote:

Quote:12 would be GREAT. 6 in football would be great as well.

WHY THE HELL IS THIS POST SPLIT!!!!!! SERIOUSLY !!!! THAT'S MY OPINION, I AGREED WITH CAL AND GAVE REASONS WHY , LIKE LESS MISS CLASS TIME. SPLIT THE CRAP FROM THESE OTHERS CLOWNS.

WHY!!!!! This is BS.

Who r u kidding? You have been in this league longer than 5 years, dude. Not once have you posted a .500 record in this league in bb. Look, I am glad that the ECU fans are excited about him and all, but until his coaches proves something first, I wouldnt be on this board bragging. If, for some un-godly reason, your coaches dont produce, then you look like a fool proclaiming that he is the best. AD's are judge on the preformance's of your coaches and the exposure of your program.including donation, tv,radio,etc. Yet you pointed out that this is their first year, but you are the one claiming he is the best, yet the record shows no winning record in either. To claim something, something must be there to prove your point. You are the one selling this with no proof.

Quote:Who r u kidding? You have been in this league longer than 5 years, dude. Not once have you posted a .500 record in this league in bb.

Wrong, Basketball joined in 2002

2001 14-14 last year in CAA
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2002 12-18 (5-11) #178
2003 12-15 (3-13) #152
2004 13-14 (5-11) #117
2005 9-19 (4-12) #188
2005 8-20 (2-12) #285

We have been bad, but normally we have been pretty decent in the OOC, and at least mediocre and near the upper half of 330 D1 basketball schools. The records may not indicate it but we were playing to 50 SOS's several of those years as we played in the tough division with Louisville, Charlotte, Cincy, Marquett, Depaul, and St. Louis. Where did you expect us to finish a couple of years removed from mid major status?

Quote:Look, I am glad that the ECU fans are excited about him and all, but until his coaches proves something first, I wouldnt be on this board bragging. If, for some un-godly reason, your coaches dont produce, then you look like a fool proclaiming that he is the best.

They are all proven.

Skip Holtz 33-23 as a head coach when hired including a 10 win season and a top 10 finish.

The ECU basketball staff has 20 years head coaching experience and has won over 300 games and been to NCAA, the Sweet 16, and upset top 25 teams with lesser schools.

Terry Holland has close to 15 years of successful athletic administrating experence including in the ACC.