(02-07-2018 10:50 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 10:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 09:58 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 09:39 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 09:33 AM)Bogg Wrote:  Yea, Dayton would be a candidate for expansion, but I also don't think they're a clear first choice either. In the end, I think X's long-term goal is to position themselves similarly in relation to OSU/Cincy/Dayton that Nova is with PSU/Temple/St. Joe's, and putting Dayton on equal footing doesn't serve that purpose.

Are you trying to say that Xavier is a better brand than Cincinnati?

I'm saying that X's long-term goal is almost certainly to become to Ohio what Nova is to Pennsylvania (or eastern Pennsylvania at least, there isn't a good Pitt in this analogy). As it stands right now they're making significant progress in that direction, and X/Cincy are likely at worst on equal footing currently, bit with X having a leg up in conference affiliation.

Cincy is definitely the Pitt of Ohio.

Eh, Pitt's all the way out on the other end of Pennsylvania from Villanova, they're not really competing over the same territory/fans. Cincy/Temple are much closer equivalents, given that they both share their respective cities with X/Nova and are in the same conference. A theoretical ACC or Big 12 school in Cleveland would be the Pitt in this scenario.

Pitt's an odd duck out there because Philly is loaded. Pitt pretty much is the Villanova of western PA for hoops, when compared to its nearby schools, including PSU since it's so far out and up there from Philly. Academically, Pitt and Carnegie Mellon is kind of like...Penn State and Penn? The good state-related aspiring to be the private ivy/ivy-lite.

Cincy is the Pitt of Ohio for football, I'd say.

Cincy is more like the Villanova of basketball in Ohio, though. Cincy's got more banners than anyone else in the state, though, like Nova, there are others with potentially better resources at their disposal. It's a good school academically and resource-wise, but not Ohio's best.