(01-04-2018 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:26 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 11:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are also many many examples of teams declaring themselves national cahmpions---many of them are not even undefeated teams.

IIRC, all of those examples occurred when teams either played no bowl games or one. It's entirely another matter to claim a title when we do have a playoff system that requires a team to win two games against top-4 calibre teams. Had UCF had this season 40 years ago, then they could make a fanciful title claim even though no wire service votes them #1. Nobody would pay attention to it, the AP and UPI were the only widely-regarded title granters, but still they claim it. The playoffs eliminate all grounds for these kinds of frivolous claims.

Undefeated means little unless we know who a team played. Transitivity means even less - Auburn lost three games before losing to UCF, nobody, not even Auburn fans said they were playoff worthy, so how on earth does beating a non-playoff-worthy team mean you are national champs over teams that won actual playoff games?

It's astonishing that we have to keep going over this.

Actually--we have a "playoff system" that by one of the commissioners own admission--eliminates the G5 from participation. Thats the exactly the type of environment that creates split championships. Ignore it or dont. Its going to to happen. If the the little CFP Invitational doesnt like it--then they should improve their product. This how things evolve.

True. But we all knew the playing field in August.

Actually--we didnt. The CFP has claimed that the G5 was included. Bill Hancock lied. The documents that the G5 signed are a lie. Its a CFP "Big Brand" Invitational and now everyone knows it. If everyone knows it--then why is Bill Hancock still spinning lies?

Actually, if noise State did not lose their 3 games? They would have been inside the top ten ahead of UCF. There are some favore towards certain G5 schools over others. Houston might have made the playoffs if they did not lose their last few games.