(09-12-2017 08:13 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:03 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 06:57 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 06:51 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 06:33 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Well when you have the top qb in college football your definitely no slouch.

I'm not sure how the reigning Heisman Trophy winner, whose numbers are actually up slightly this year so far, loses the Heisman and doesn't become the number one QB pick in the draft. Plus both of Lamar Jackson games were on the road against p5 opponents, while average over 40 points a game and still hasn't thrown a pick.

Josh Rosen is outstanding but most of his great numbers this year come against downtrodden Hawaii. His adjusted QB rating suffer because he can't run while Jackson adjusted QB rating surpass Rosen because he can run. Add to the fact that Rosen has played both his games at home, a luxury that Jackson has not had yet this year.

The only reason i would put rosen ahead of him is because he is your more prototypical nfl qb. Jackson while still very good relies heavily on his mobility.

So far the only qbs in the nfl that are still playing who can be considered mobile qb's are cam newton and Russell Wilson and of those two only cam still uses his mobility a good amount of the time.

But you talked about the best QB in college football (The first quote from you in this post), not who will be the best NFL QB, so I'm confused. IMO Lamar Jackson remains the best college QB until unseated.

But see to me its kinda a weird issue overall.

For example tom brady is clearly the best nfl qb of all time. So to me even though he didn't perform great in college i would still consider him the best college qb of his era because clearly the talent was there.

I would argue the particular michigan team he was on did not allow him to achieve the greatness in college that he achieved in the nfl.

But isn't it all about the results? If Lamar Jackson is getting better results then Rosen, then he's the better QB, isn't he? Quite simple to me.

As for Tom Brady, surely the best NFL QB, perhaps of all time, no doubt. But using your logic of playing for a Michigan team that didn't allow him to achieve his greatness can be applied to the NFL as well.

Suppose he was drafted by the Cleveland Browns instead of NE and Belichick as the coach. We may never have talked about Tom Brady once if the draft had gone that way. Being drafted in the 6th round certainly gave many other teams an opportunity to draft Brady.