(07-14-2017 07:44 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 07:01 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 06:54 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 06:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?

WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.

Okay sure, act like the ACC is the Ivy League. The entire post is disrespectful in tone to WVU (Now WVa since you keep taking that shot). Most of the conference isn't that competitive to get into.

I'm sorry if the truth somehow offends you. Perhaps the reason for your umbrage is that the ACC snub Rutgers.