(08-17-2017 12:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no, FIP to me is saying what should have happened. But ERA is what actually did happen.

And yes, FIP is saying the only batted balls we care about are homers. And that's a joke. When 90+% of extra base hits are directly related to the pitcher. You can say how is it 90%? It could be 80% or 95%. But bottom line a vast majority of extra base hits are due to a pitcher. And FIP doesn't care about those. Advanced metrics have got to find a way to take into account the extra base hits. Because a pitcher can control far more of that than you want to admit.

Pitching is far more than just striking out guys.

ERA IMO is far better in measuring what a pitcher has done in a season than FIP. ERA is what actually DID happen. FIP is what maybe kind of should have happened. 2 totally different animals.

You keep saying that ERA is what DID happen. But what DID happen is not the responsibility solely of the pitcher. There are plenty of other factors involved. Are you comfortable dismissing all of them?