(02-08-2017 04:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 03:10 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 12:58 PM)green Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 12:01 PM)YNot Wrote:  Could the PAC get Oklahoma, without Texas, if there are sufficient other Central time zone schools?

At the height of the conference realignment drama, all signs pointed to Oklahoma and Oklahoma State leaving — or, at the very least, wanting to leave — for the Pac-12, but in the 11th hour, the Pac-12 decided not to expand any further.
-- collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com

NO THANKS, I'LL PASS

the basic problem was Oklahoma without Texas was not worth it. Still isn't. The Texas market is required. But there were other problems.Namely Oklahoma State was never vetted with P12 Presidents and Chancellors. It does not come close to the Academic standards and even further from the research standards of the Pac-12. When Boren tried to sell OSU and OU to Scott, he was told a quick no. The only way OSU is invited to another conference is in a package of 4 or more schools, and even then I doubt it. If it were KU and OU fine, or ISU and OU perhaps. As R1 schools go, TTU, UVW and K State are really marginal, only ahead of R2 schools like OSU, and Baylor as far as expansion choices go.

B12 value: 1) Texas ... gap ... 2) Oklahoma ... gap ... 3) Kansas
Iowa State and Texas Tech, even Texas Christian (not actually a faith school) for being in Dallas and being selective (despite R2 research level) are possible complimentary additions. The rest are stuck no matter what, as are at least two of the three in the "possible complimentary" category.

This is why I don't see the B12 going away after 2025, even if Texas and Oklahoma, and Kansas leave. Houston, Cincinnati, Brigham Young and Colorado State are available to back fill and bring it back to ten. Throw a Central Florida in there and you are at twelve. For the contract cycle that would take it into the middle of the 2030s, you probably have a Big East of 2004-2012 level deal, half the other power conferences, but light years ahead of the G5. Without a LHN they would be able to finally get a real digital network going, but again they'd be the fifth of five.

Why would any P12 school give up their equity holding for that future? At some point the P12 will have a sale of 50% to a media partner (as likely to be Google or Apple as ESPN, CBS or FOX) who will both improve the revenue flow and give schools a nice injection of at least $50m each, perhaps as much as $100m (and still hold 50% equity). Teir-1 and Teir-2 will also get a bump up before the B12 ever goes to the table. There is zero logic in the idea of moving to the B12.

Half the Pac 12 doesn't come close to UW, CU and the California schools.

Oklahoma St. is certainly on a par with WSU and Pac 12 OSU.

LOL. REally? WSU and OrSU combined barely have more money than OkSU. Even worse if you take out the over 10% subsidies those schools require just to operate.

26 Oklahoma State Big 12 $95,931,739 $93,144,396 $7,795,211 8.13

51 Oregon State Pac-12 $64,876,006 $72,557,984 $6,942,549 10.70

53 Washington State Pac-12 $54,112,604 $67,386,939 $6,112,056 11.30

Guess which one OSU is
2015 $21,126,079 $21,621,715 $36,165,660 $3,176,102 $4,619,109 $9,223,074 $95,931,739
2014 $23,756,815 $37,027,350 $31,935,018 $3,103,680 $4,417,795 $17,562,644 $117,803,302
2013 $22,927,357 $26,714,907 $29,313,545 $2,606,182 $4,730,260 $7,372,086 $93,664,337
2012 $23,082,628 $25,997,402 $30,103,618 $1,921,359 $4,363,328 $1,802,263 $87,270,598
2011 $22,672,580 $26,978,331 $20,129,813 $1,897,820 $4,289,513 $6,663,858 $82,631,915
2010 $23,640,296 $51,877,388 $21,141,254 $1,809,123 $3,844,083 $4,049,984 $106,362,128
2009 $20,197,401 $29,270,695 $16,590,859 $1,855,696 $2,872,244 $14,833,498 $55,953,397
2008 $17,528,662 $54,923,758 $14,072,171 $1,934,812 $2,709,205 $7,705,484 $98,874,092
2007 $16,301,284 $18,915,844 $11,791,258 $2,018,352 $2,603,906 $5,890,978 $57,521,622
2006 $13,538,595 $211,023,155 $10,517,885 $2,047,664 $2,482,472 $1,755,135 $241,364,906
2005 $13,982,295 $18,016,645 $13,088,527 $1,989,184 $2,185,103 $1,988,992 $51,250,746
2015 $6,806,955 $6,617,601 $30,798,983 $1,131,902 $4,980,154 $3,777,009 $54,112,604
2014 $5,888,263 $7,017,691 $27,015,259 $990,402 $9,114,236 $4,400,967 $54,426,818
2013 $6,786,655 $8,274,561 $23,640,976 $1,065,849 $5,449,845 $1,973,354 $47,191,240
2012 $6,547,079 $7,855,037 $16,878,837 $1,123,849 $7,668,378 $2,656,368 $42,729,548
2011 $5,101,745 $7,108,305 $13,129,810 $1,608,068 $9,923,573 $3,111,981 $39,983,482
2010 $5,181,093 $6,754,924 $12,687,841 $1,862,522 $7,487,283 $5,378,433 $39,352,096
2009 $5,981,037 $7,726,529 $11,107,277 $1,870,506 $8,093,399 $3,515,007 $38,293,755
2008 $6,751,773 $7,512,105 $11,800,989 $1,115,799 $7,974,705 $4,465,689 $39,621,060
2007 $5,664,783 $6,713,178 $9,975,576 $1,078,202 $7,173,628 $3,622,930 $34,228,297
2006 $5,698,411 $5,946,515 $8,933,355 $946,716 $6,854,522 $3,549,174 $31,928,693
2005 $4,491,465 $4,515,272 $9,070,331 $878,370 $6,684,773 $2,750,842 $28,391,053
2015 $10,978,823 $9,817,033 $34,235,884 $2,502,549 $4,440,000 $2,901,717 $64,876,006
2014 $10,080,314 $10,670,196 $28,044,856 $2,502,831 $9,782,622 $2,220,975 $63,301,794
2013 $10,909,633 $12,658,820 $27,385,484 $2,565,348 $9,704,893 $2,243,792 $65,467,970
2012 $9,541,151 $9,816,920 $17,034,026 $2,442,222 $16,285,197 $3,587,321 $58,706,837
2011 $10,389,424 $9,535,722 $15,039,448 $2,277,720 $14,688,891 $3,612,810 $55,544,015
2010 $9,525,756 $16,439,009 $14,860,469 $2,142,702 $8,817,914 $3,827,495 $55,613,345
2009 $10,139,347 $11,829,544 $16,197,375 $2,113,218 $9,325,885 $3,537,520 $53,142,889
2008 $8,469,533 $16,614,611 $13,325,497 $1,203,903 $8,995,105 $4,266,690 $52,875,339
2007 $8,986,521 $15,646,473 $11,544,737 $1,494,984 $12,664,890 $2,133,822 $52,471,427
2006 $6,995,844 $12,596,548 $10,106,640 $1,494,984 $19,621,476 $2,786,451 $53,601,943
2005 $6,224,823 $13,348,937 $9,007,612 $1,495,296 $5,072,056 $2,096,632 $37,245,356


Over the last decade OkSU has put more money in it's AD than OrSu and WSU combined. So how are they about equal?

TCU is absolutely a faith school. They simply changed the name on the degrees to say brite divinity. Kids are in the same dorms, same classes, same campus, campus ID gets you into football games. The whole 9 yards.