(01-19-2017 01:33 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 12:30 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 12:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:28 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:42 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Culture changes don't happen over night. Nor the course of a season, unless you go from 1-11 to 11-1 and a championship. 7-5 and low-end bowl game is a dream come true for us as fans, but it doesn't do a whole lot to convince top notch recruits to come here. It's still probably pretty easy for WMU, Toledo, and even CMU to recruit against us, and that won't change until we've strung together a few winning seasons. Crawl before you walk, especially locally.

Luckily, we have plenty of talent coming back next season, and that'll provide another chance to improve how EMU is viewed as a program.

I'm sorry Sam, but I think the theory that it takes time for a 'culture change', or more winning seasons, etc.etc., to improve recruiting..........is complete nonsense.

All it takes is coaches who are good recruiters, who prioritize recruiting as very important, with a coherent strategy.

Bottom line, no matter the excuses, we simply don't have that from the top on down.

It is what it is, and highly likely it won't change. Again, 6-8 wins and bowl games for the next 3 years and I'll be happy.

From what they've shown so far, the only way we will really compete for even a MAC West title is to go even more heavy into Juco recruiting.

Just my 2 cents.

Well lets look at Murphy in basketball who had several winning seasons we're still dependent on transfers and JUCOs to build the program and struggle to recruit instate high school kids.

I'll say that I think the 2016 FB team over-achieved based on my read of the talent level.

As far as MBB, I think we all seem to think the teams have probably under-achieved based on our read of the talent level.

For MBB 2016/17 could be different. Talent level seems to equate with something like 11 - 7 (low end), 12 - 6 or 13 -5 (high end).

Do not sleep on the talent sitting out for next year's MBB team. We have some players who can really play sitting out. This program is building a strong foundation.

FB recruiting has to get a lot better. I agree with the ideas that our recruiting basically sets a ceiling of 7 or 8 wins. We simply do not have the talent to compete on even grounds with WMU or TOL.

I don't think that fb underachieved. They simply had talented and experienced players at the key positions - QB, OL, and DL.

'Nickle, did you make a typo? Did you mean to say that "I don't think that fb OVERachieved."

I posted that I thought it OVERachieved.